Is it dangerous to skip the MMR and Chickenpox vaccine? - Page 5

[JFTB1177]

Originally Posted by mattemma04 

My kids are 12 and 9 and still alive despite no vaccines,so I would say no it is not dangerous to skip the MMR/CP.

If I were in your situation I would delay a bit  due to the possible *spectrum* issue. You want to vaccinate well after the times when those issues are dxed.

Another thing to consider is when you vax you want your child to be able to fully explain how he/she is feeling.Be sure to get the lot numbers when you do vax.Evaluate for spectrum disorders before you vaccinate,and then and after.

Thank you for this!!!! :)

[Lovemy3girls]

The MMR is contaminated: http://www.fearoftheinvisible.com/mmr-dangerously-contaminated 

Measles being hyped to scare parents: http://www.fearoftheinvisible.com/trouble-with-mmr 

Vaccines in general are highly contaminated: http://www.fearoftheinvisible.com/cannot-clean-the-vaccine 

[Alenushka]

Hmmm

Is this waht is happening to all those old  Eastern European patients with shingles I work with?  They were exposed to CP in Easter Europ their entire life. So, this idea of natural boos hold no water to me. Is there a link to an actualy study that can proove it?

I happen to know many American who had shingles and whow ere exposed to plenty of kids with CP

 

Originally Posted by SilverMoon010 

You're forgetting something here....After contracting and recovering from chickenpox (usually as a child),  your natural immunity gets asymptomatically "boosted" by coming into contact with infected children, who are recovering from chickenpox.  The problem is since the chickenpox vaccine, there is less chickenpox around to provide that natural immune boost for children and adults.   Since there are less children getting the chicken pox, adults are less exposed to it and thus not getting a natural immunity boost to it.  The natural boosting immunity of the CP virus helps protect you from shingles later in life, which is a big reason why the CP vaccine is causing more harm than good.

[SilverMoon010]

Originally Posted by Alenushka 

Hmmm

Is this waht is happening to all those old  Eastern European patients with shingles I work with?  They were exposed to CP in Easter Europ their entire life. So, this idea of natural boos hold no water to me. Is there a link to an actualy study that can proove it?

I happen to know many American who had shingles and whow ere exposed to plenty of kids with CP

 

I got my information regarding this from other sites (not Wikipedia) but I figure this is the most neutral source. It mentions this under sections Vaccination Worldwide and Controversy.   I also actually posted the study that is found within the Wikipedia footnote link below (24,25)  regarding Americans and the problem with the varicella vaccine and Shingles. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varicella_vaccine 
 

http://herpesdoctor.net/chickenpox-vaccine-linked-shingles-epidemic 

[emmy526]

Stress can also bring on shingles, just as it can trigger a herpes outbreak.  It happened to my husband, he got stressed out and broke out in shingles. Twice. 

[Lovemy3girls]

Yes, stress is a big one. Nutritional deficiencies, a weakened state of immunity in older individuals, emotional trauma, and going into a state of fear can all weaken the immune system and trigger an outbreak. Oh yeah, and lack of natural boosting!

[kathymuggle]

Originally Posted by emmy526 

Stress can also bring on shingles, just as it can trigger a herpes outbreak.  It happened to my husband, he got stressed out and broke out in shingles. Twice. 

Yup.  Coworkers mother - got sick and stressed from sickness.  Recovered.   Got shingles  - recovered (shingles is not fun but is not dangerous to most healthy people according to Google)

[Marnica]

There are many studies that discuss this: One is " Varicella Vaccine and Shingles" JAMA  May 1, 2002; 287(17):2211

here's another reference to a study done in the international journal of toxicology http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/09/01/12896.aspx

Some overseas references: http://www.hpa.org.uk/webw/HPAweb&HPAwebStandard/HPAweb_C/1221638180451?p=1204186170287

really the notion of CP serving as a natural booster and being protective for shingles is an accepted and known fact. Whether you choose to believe it or not is irrelevant.

http://www2.ukhealthcare.uky.edu/publications/AI/general/shingles.asp

 

Because of the success of the chicken pox vaccine, there are fewer incidents today of what was once a common childhood disease. As a result, adults rarely get re-exposed to chicken pox. Re-exposure can help elevate antibodies to the varicella zoster virus.

Originally Posted by Alenushka 

Hmmm

Is this waht is happening to all those old  Eastern European patients with shingles I work with?  They were exposed to CP in Easter Europ their entire life. So, this idea of natural boos hold no water to me. Is there a link to an actualy study that can proove it?

I happen to know many American who had shingles and whow ere exposed to plenty of kids with CP

 

[Alenushka]

It is obviously fail to act as booster in many people. I plan to get a shingles vaccine.  I really do not need the pain and suffering of shingles in my life.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by Alenushka 

It is obviously fail to act as booster in many people. I plan to get a shingles vaccine.  I really do not need the pain and suffering of shingles in my life.

 and you are free to do so. The point is not really about the shingles vaccine, it is about the fact that when vaccines are created (like the CP vaccine) no consideration is given to the long term consequences of that vaccine - such as a rise in shingles. Listen Im not downplaying shingles. My mother is 73 and is suffering from post herpetic neuralgia right now and is in pain and it's frustrating and heartbreaking and maybe if she had gotten the shingles vaccine, she would have avoided what she is now having to endure. Athough what I can't help be bitter about is that if the CP vaccine hadn't taken away all of her opportunities to get those natural boosters, maybe she wouldn't have gotten the shingles either.

[DianeLutzYoga]

[Alenushka]

Vaccine do not cause rise in shingles. Chicken Pox causes shingles. Vaccination will stop shingles actually

[lokidoki]

Originally Posted by Alenushka 

Vaccine do not cause rise in shingles. Chicken Pox causes shingles. Vaccination will stop shingles actually

Can you provide a link please? This goes against everything I know about CP and about the vaccine ~ and it doesn't really explain the rise in shingles cases (and the need for shingles vaccine) since the introduction of the CP vax.

http://harmonyhealth.wordpress.com/2008/02/06/chicken-pox-vaccine-causes-a-dangerous-rise-in-number-of-shingles-cases/

I can provide several other links if need be ~ but I am perplexed by this position. I think it is fairly widely known that the CP vax caused the rise in shingles cases due to lack of natural boosting to those of us who had CP as children...thus the reason a shingles vax is now needed.

[Ratchet]

Intuitively- I wonder how we can know much about shingles with the vaccine since shingles is largely a disease of people who are older and the current cohort of kids coming up who have been vaccinated are not old enough to really be shingles-aged yet.  Anything that is based on kids/ teens getting shingles would be an odd population to look at.  IMO.