So, why would "vaccinating the herd" according to the herd theory not work for the immunocompromised cancer patient?
The oncologist said and the sign said NO RECENTLY VACCINATED CHILDREN. Speaks for itself.
Maybe the oncologists think people are too stupid to figure out which vaccines transmit or spread disease, so they just say all vaccines.
Again why wouldn't the herd immunity in these countries protect the unprotected who visit? The UN and Peace Corps REQUIRE yellow fever vaccination. Have had many acquaintances do this duty, unless it was changed, but I doubt that. If you looked at the WHO website you would see that it is REQUIRED.
No. Measles is still here. I never said it was rare. It is rarely diagnosed, so I guess it does not exist? I said the intern could not properly diagnose a case of measles right in front of her. How many times has that happened? I clearly said a couple of times that the disease is not diagnosed nor reported to the health authorities.
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it fall, does it make a sound?
As for Mexico, I was specifically talking about the turista, a disease that Native Mexicans have immunity to, but visitors do not. Why doesn't the native herd immunity to the turista protect the tourists? That is a natural immunity also, not vaccine acquired. Why does the not work?
I will agree to disagree with you here. I WILL blame the vaccine for the measles illnesses because that is the more likely scenario. Most children are/were vaccinated against measles and other diseases - 95%. The odds of coming into contact with an unvaxed child is less likely. Maybe I can go for Las Vegas odds there.
Where is the herd immunity in this upscale neighborhood? http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/long_island&id=8203711
Herd immunity does protect the cancer patient. It reduces the cancer patient's chances of being exposed to some diseases including pretty much eliminating the chance of being exposed to a few that were once common diseases.
I don't think the oncologist meant to imply that people were stupid, but I do think there is some simplifying going on. Flu shots, IPV, dtap, and others do not shed and people vaccinated with them are not a risk, but they fall under the "recently vaccinated" umbrella. This makes sense as it can be confusing to keep straight which vaccines are okay and which are a slight risk without having to look it up all the time, and if they did specify by disease, they'd have to contact everyone to update them when the vaccine schedule changed such as when they added the chickenpox vaccine.
Peace Corp also requires its volunteers to have certain education/experience, be willing to eat the local food, and follow all sorts of rules. It is not a governing body, and its rules don't apply to the general traveler, just their own volunteers. As for the WHO, you linked to the main page of a very large site, one I've visited previously and used as a source but never seen what you are talking about. Please link to a specific page listing WHO requirements for yellow fever vaccination beyond requirements individual countries have set for entrance with the goal of keeping yellow fever out.
As for yellow fever, I already explained that, but to sum up: in the case of yellow fever, the herd is not limited to humans but also contains other primates and mosquitoes, and we don't vaccinate them.
Sorry, I had never heard traveler's diarrhea called that before and thought you just meant diseases tourists needed protection from.
Measles is still a common disease, but yet so rare that your child couldn't possibly have been exposed to the wild virus (despite likely having had it in a time when there were fairly large outbreaks, before adding the second shot to the schedule) and must have gotten it from a child shedding vaccine measles? I don't understand. I also still don't understand why in the late sixties and seventies, even doctors who had been practicing for decades mostly forgot how to diagnose measles, and the public just accepted this because apparently all the parent and grandparents who had seen measles and had them themselves suddenly forgot what it looked like too.
I'm also confused as to why people who have had flumist being told to stay away from cancer patients and travelers needing yellow fever vaccines is supposed to be some smoking gun in the face of herd immunity. Confused enough that I'm starting to wonder if we are talking about the same thing. I know you don't believe herd immunity works, but just to make sure that we are on the same page, can you explain your view of what herd immunity is and how it is supposed to work, even if it doesn't?
Sorry, I just got on the computer and noticed the warning. Baby was up until 4am this morning.....whew, what a night!
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