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Charting to Avoid / Fertility Awareness - July

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Welcome to the July 2011 charting to avoid and fertility awareness thread. We are all at different stages in family planning and our own fertility. Some of us are very ardently Charting to Avoid (CTA); some are CTA but would be thrilled with a BFP; and we even have a few who are "whatevering" or pregnant and continue to hang out here.

 

If you did not post in June, you may have been deleted from the list. If you have joined recently, please double check I have your chart linked correctly. If you were mistakenly deleted, you would like to be added/removed, or you spot anything you would like me to change, please post or PM me to let me know. Remember, you must post in July if you want to be on the August list!

To those who are new, welcome! Welcome.gif


 

 

    Who We Are

 

Angelorum

AnkaJones

Ashley Payne BFPChart2.gif

azgirl BFPChart2.gif

BirthIsAwesome

Brendalee

CarsonBookworm BFPChart2.gif

Ecologystudent

FaithHopeLove29

goinggreengirl BFPChart2.gif 

jodi5 BFPChart2.gif (STM/MM)

JulesJourney

JuliMummy

kcroto42

librarygirl BFPChart2.gif

Lionessmom

MillieJane BFPChart2.gif

mirpmama BFPChart2.gif

physics girl BFPChart2.gif

PinkBunch

RknOHMum BFPChart2.gif

sosurreal09

Stefibeth BFPChart2.gif
Toolip BFPChart2.gif

treeoflife3

wilson (CrMS)

 

Graduates

Pregnant! belly.gif

Jaimee (November 2011)

mommy2two babes (December 2011)

lactatinggirl (January 2012)

JMJ (March 2012)

alyadri BFPChart2.gif (March 2012)

justKate BFPChart2.gif (STM) (April 2012)

miss_honeyb BFPChart2.gif  (April 2012)
 

 

 

 Wiki Resources for Charting to Avoid

 

Reasons to Choose Natural Family Planning - Why would you want to use charting to plan your family, anyway?  Feel free to add your own reasons for charting!

 

Types of Natural Family Planning - It's not just the rhythm method.  They've got this down to a science with options galore!

 

NFP or FAM Methods While Breastfeeding - You have options in the postpartum period while your fertility is returning!

 

Resources For Learning About Fertility Cycles - Find books to read or websites to visit, find an instructor, post your chart online, and learn about how your diet affects your fertility.

 

Fertility Awareness Method - A quick-start guide to the Fertility Awareness, a version of the Sympto-Thermal Method taught by Toni Weschler in her book, Taking Charge of Your Fertility.

 

Commom Abbreviations for Charting to Avoid/Fertility Awareness - BBT, EWCM, TCOYF, and more!  Learn what all these crazy acronyms mean here.


 

 Happy Charting Everyone! 


Edited by JMJ - 8/1/11 at 8:12am
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Thanks for starting the new thread JMJ.  I hope we both end up in a DDC soon!  When you can, please move me to "no longer TTA."  biggrinbounce.gif

 

 

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Yay!  I'm so happy for you.  I hope you get your BFP soon!

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Well, I'm still here.  I am on day 10 today and still getting nice low temps.  No real CM to speak of yet although I feel like my body is starting to shift gears a bit so I expect to see some soon. The montor is showing lows for the moment.  On the Marquette website, there has been some discussion about an unintended pregnancy where the breastfeeding protocol was followed after a menses since it was light and so thought that it was not a true menses.  Looking back there is no way to be sure it was a true AF.  I keep thinking that I am glad about my decision to use symptho-thermal as well since in cycle 0 (postpartum pre AF), I also did not get a peak on the monitor (although I did get high readings), but with the temp shift I had, I was pretty sure that I had ovulated and was not surprised when AF arrived.  I then also new that I was into cycle 1 and there was no question about whether I should or should not be on the breastfeeding protocol.  I think all these different indicators are tools to help us see the big picture.  I don't like the idea of depending on one indicator alone.  For me so far, the monitor has kept us safe since I did get high reading postpartum even though I did not get a peak and last cycle it did give me the peak reading even though I was unsure of the temperature shift.  Since I was watching both though, if it had been a false peak, I would have been safe by looking at the bigger picture.  Lots to learn here. 

 

Good luck to JMJ and justKate in getting your bfp's.  Enjoy this time.  I enjoyed my last pregnancy so much knowing it was likely our last and had a beautiful home water birth which I will never forget.  It has given me such a good memory of childbirth to take with me.  I hope you will both have wonderful experiences this time round. 

 

Jodi

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I'm here, about 10 dpo. Thanks for the July (gasp!) thread! coolshine.gif
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Thanks for starting the new thread. I'm on cd 22. I pretty much agree with Fertility Friend's assessment that I O'd around cd 17 or 18, but it's hard to be completely sure since I've had a cold and that might have elevated temps a bit. (The missing mucus observations due to spermicide on cd 18 also don't help pinpoint it.) This morning, however, my temp was back down, and my thermometer has been reading 97.18 suspiciously often. Would a BD digital thermometer be much better than the Target brand? Would it be worth it to go ahead and get a glass thermometer instead of digital, or should I stick with what I've got for now?

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I would stick with what you have for now, through the end of this cycle. I don't know if a BD thermometer would be better or not--but I seem to get 97.18 a lot too, and mine's a big pink Walgreens brand therm.  So who knows? Maybe try a new one next cycle.

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hello everyone!

 

Happy July! CD8 here and first cycle using FAM for TTA! Yep, we're there. I'm not sure he completely trusts the method yet but he trusts me. I think that's where I get the most worried. I know we are both okay with an "oops" because we want kids, just waiting a little longer to start our family for a few different reasons (mostly financial stuff that will be resolved before too long). But if I would get pregnant this month or next, especially when I'm telling him it's safe, I am afraid I'll lose his trust. I don't want him to think I'm trying to trick him into getting me pregnant. I'm not devious like that. He knows I want a baby but I hope he knows I wouldn't lie or deceive him to get one.

 

I know there is nothing i can do, except follow the rules exactly, but it still makes me a little nervous. Not at the idea of getting knocked up, but at the idea of him thinking I was lying to him.

 

Anyways, just thought I'd share and see if anyone else has felt like this. I can't be the only one, right?

 

Happy holiday!

 

 

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accidentally posted twice. a mod can delete this post! sorry!

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Good luck librarygirl!  You can also be on the conservative side the first little bit until you feel more comfortable.  Maybe he will want to check out your charts after a bit?  My dh has no interest in this but I hear that often men do like to read the charts.  This is our first month relying on NFP as well.  We used more of the rhythm method between our kids and it worked for us since I have always had a pretty regular cycle but we were really conservative on what we considered safe days as well.  I think this will actually give us more days to work with since we will know when I ovulate.  It is fascinating watching our bodies at work.  I've noticed my temps have been a bit higher the last few days but summer seems to arrived in a big way this week so it has been warmer in our room in the morning.  I expect post-shift my temps will also be a bit higher as well. 

 

Jodi

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physicsgirl, with shaving the the temp on CD 16, you could have considered yourself in post-O infertility yesterday, but the temp drop below the the CL would be enough to warrant caution.  If your temp goes right back up tomorrow and the next day with no fertile CM, I would be comfortable assuming it was a fluke, but to follow the FAM rules to the letter, you would wait for 3 more temps above the CL before you would consider yourself infertile as long as fertile CM does not return.  It's all about how conservative you want to be.

 

librarygirl, I have found it helpful to get my DH involved in the process.  Sure, I know more about it than he does, but we talk about where I am in my cycle often.  He knows when we probably wouldn't get pregnant but I can't be sure.  He knows when I'm pretty sure I'm ovulating any day now.  He knows the day I think I ovulated.  He knows when we're in post-ovulation infertility.  It seems like every month, I tell him where I think the boundaries of the infertile period are based on whatever rule I'm using.  I explain the rule I'm using to him and show him how my chart fulfills that rule or doesn't.  He mostly asks about it when he's considering DTD (and I think he promptly forgets most of the time), but we both are involved in the decision to DTD based on the information.  If there was ever an unplanned pregnancy, he would know that he had looked at my chart and agreed with my assessment and accepted the probability that I could get pregnant based on DTD on that particular day.  I don't think there would ever be blame or any assumption that I was trying to trick him.  I don't know if your BF is willing to work towards something like that, but I think it might help.

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JMJ, the way you and your dh do things is very nice.  My dh as also always been aware generally where I am with my cycle so when we conceived our third child, he was fully aware of the possibility and took the risk.  Now, that I am really charting, I tend to tell him if it is a red day and he understands that better.  He does not seem interested in looking at my chart at all, so I use the same lights that are on the lady comp.  If I don't agree with LC, I will tell him which I did last cycle.  We had been planning on relying on the method last cycle but with my shift so small, I let him know I wasn't comfortable yet with what LC was telling us and he was good with that.  It really does help to keep the communication open when you are using this kind of method. 

 

Say, I've noticed in my cycle that during the first week when AF is around, my temps will be really low as expected, then they tend to shift up slightly as I get closer to ovulating and then they shift again after I ovulate.  Anyone else notice a shift once there is more cm and approaching ovulation?  It is like I have 3 temp ranges during a cycle. 

 

Jodi

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Ahhh so I just now noticed the thread was moved!  I was wondering why I never got an update about new posts!

 

I'm so mad at myself right now - This weekend we went to my MIL's house and of course the one thing I forget is my thermometer. Gah, I was kicking myself every morning when my alarm would go off.   I still checked my cervix and being that I'm currently post ovulation, I should be fine right? 

 

How was everyone's 4th?? I loooooove 4 day weekends!

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Originally Posted by justKate View Post

I don't know if a BD thermometer would be better or not--but I seem to get 97.18 a lot too, and mine's a big pink Walgreens brand therm.  So who knows? Maybe try a new one next cycle.

I have that one, too, and get the same temps a lot as well.  Their old version was so much better, but they decided to switch over to the quicker version, which doesn't seem as accurate. 

 

I'm still lurking and learning here...  privateeyes.gif
 

 

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physicsgirl, I just looked at your chart again.  Based on the temp today, I don't think you ovulated.  I also noticed that your temp on CD 18 was 98.8, and while it's not much above normal, it's uncommon to have a temp that high first thing in the morning when you wake up.  Have you been sick, or is there something else that has been going on that could make your temps not as accurate such as taking them early or late, not getting enough sleep, excessively hot or cold room, or breathing through your mouth?  It could also be your thermometer, but it's too soon to tell.  For the time being, I would not recommend assuming that you are infertile while you wait to figure out what is going on.

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JMJ, I was just about over a cold at that point. Throw in the stress of preparing to move cross country and start grad school in a month, and I guess a cycle with delayed ovulation or an anovulatory cycle wouldn't be too surprising. It's probably a very good thing that I'm not trying to rely on my charts just yet and that I have the wonderful women of this board to offer guidance while I learn.

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Physicsgirl, I'm still trying to figure out what is going on with your chart, but that doesn't mean that it would be ineffective for CTA.  It just means that there are more days that you would have to consider yourself to be potentially fertile.  Conservatively, if you assumed that your fertile period began on CD 3 when you had spotting and EWCM or liberally, if you assumed that your fertile period began on CD 8 when you had CM, you would not have gotten pregnant this cycle.  By "Rule R" (3 days dry up + 3 days strong thermal shift), you would be infertile on CD 21 and potentially fertile again on CD 22.  Now, I see today's temp is above the CL.  If your temp stays above the CL for 3 days in a row, you could consider yourself to be infertile again as long as you do not have any other CM.  If your temp drops again or you observe CM, you would need to consider yourself to be potentially fertile until you experience 3 temps above the CL and 4 days of dry up. 

 

That said, if you were practicing one of the CM only methods, you would consider yourself to be infertile starting on CD 22 (CD 17 is probably peak day, but you can't count drying up if you don't make observations, so you would count dry up after CD 18 and consider yourself to be infertile on the 4th day, and as long as you don't have a return of CM, you would consider yourself to be infertile.  However, without the individualized training in Creighton, this is slightly less effective, though still highly effective.  If you are taking temps, though, it is unwise to ignore the temp data if it is conflicting with the CM data because it could be a sign that you're not getting enough information from the CM data, or it could be that everything that is going on is making your temps strange (especially if you are losing sleep over it), and the CM data is right, and the temps are just off.  Yes, it's difficult to know what is going on sometimes, but it is possible to rely on charting for family planning through it.  It just means being more careful.

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Hi - am kind of new to actually charting - though I've known about this method for 3 years. Am having trouble with my temperatures fluctuating and wondering about vaginal temping. Anyone doing it this way? Can you tell me about it? Anyone also wake in the night to BF a babe? DS is 10 months old and wakes me 1x or 2x a night and sometimes I wake an hour early and just lay there dozing in and out of sleep. IS it better I take my temp an hour early or after an hour of semi-consciousness?

 

Ideas on my chart? I don't think FF put ov in the right place seeing as I still have fertile cm.

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Hi - am kind of new to actually charting - though I've known about this method for 3 years. Am having trouble with my temperatures fluctuating and wondering about vaginal temping. Anyone doing it this way? Can you tell me about it? Anyone also wake in the night to BF a babe? DS is 10 months old and wakes me 1x or 2x a night and sometimes I wake an hour early and just lay there dozing in and out of sleep. IS it better I take my temp an hour early or after an hour of semi-consciousness?

 

Ideas on my chart? I don't think FF put ov in the right place seeing as I still have fertile cm.     http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/34fe74

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My kids wake up several times a night and I still managed to get a biphasic pattern.  But everyone is different and some women are much more sensitive to sleep and waking time disturbances.  You certainly could give vaginal temping a try.  If it were me, I would take my temp at whatever time was most consistent- the first morning wake up or the second and just keep it that way.  For me that was the second time- just before actually getting up for the day- b/c that time was almost always the same vs. when they woke to nurse in the early morning, which tended to vary quite a bit.

 

As for your chart, your temps are so erratic and you're still getting fertile cervical fluid that I would agree with you that you have not yet O'd this cycle.  I'm surprised your crosshairs aren't dashed b/c there is a lot of conflicting data.  I bet things will be better sorted out in the next week, but for now I would definitely not consider yourself infertile.

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