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Originally Posted by wombatclay View PostMaking a new living room rug wasn't on my to-do list but ah well, whatchagonnado?

 

That is why the gods created duct tape winky.gif No, I am not above duct taping a diaper to my child lol.gif

I will have to ask about the magnets. Good idea!



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Originally Posted by Valerie.Qc View PostHouse selling vibes for Maïa! goodvibes.gif

 

Thank you! orngbiggrin.gif

 

The magic 8-ball says I will not get an offer out of the open house, but will if I lower my price by $1000.

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I used to have a magic 8 ball on my desk when I worked as a graphic designer.  It was key!

 

I went to walmart and picked up a half dozen of those cheap cotton rag rugs (the kind that fit in front of a sink or by the door instead of a mat?) and I'll stitch them together to make a larger rug.  With a loose running stitch I can "detach" portions that need to be washed.  I've done this a few times and while it's not fancy, the results are pretty hardwearing, and you get a room sized rug for 20-30 dollars.  Which rocks.

 

diapers- yeah.  I'm thinking duct tape.  He has a bunch of diapers I really like that have snaps, and he can't open those yet, but he is so freakin' wiggly these days it's a challenge to get him into one of those dipes.  And he refuses to wear the dipes with the "classic" hook and loop velcro (which he has some trouble opening) because he says the velcro is "owwie".  So what he wants to wear are the groVia with the aplix closures (kind of a smooth velcro?) and those are really easy for him to open.  Pennsic has a lot of duct tape so I'm going to be duct taping his dipes while camping... the groVia are our travel dipes since they have stick on "sposie" liners available that work pretty well on the boy.

 

So tired today.  I have a bunch of stuff I want to do, and some stuff I need to do, but I took the kiddos to the sprinkler park for two hours this morning and that more or less did me in after last night.

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Clay - you aren't alone in your cloth diaper woes! We kept our covers from DD but she was in them so long the velcro is worn. DS doesn't fit in the newborn covers (we just bought!) so we are using our old small covers and they aren't staying. We bought two new ones last weekend but it looks like we will need a ton more. He goes through them so fast! I should tape them to make them last until I get to the store :P

 

Maia - love that you asked the magic 8 ball!

 

I'm reading along but can't always type. What is everyone doing this weekend to celebrate the first harvest? I'm thinking of going to a public ritual on Sunday and be with the community. I could use that connection.

 

I really feel so disconnected with my spirituality at the moment, I feel I need a kick in the pants. Sadly, it has been so hot that we haven't been out too much and that would probably help. I want to find something that I can do daily to help - I'm sure we'll find a routine when we are ready.

 

Thinking of all of you!

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Originally Posted by singin_angel View PostMaia - love that you asked the magic 8 ball!

 

Hey, a divination tool is a divination tool winky.gif

 

I'm going to a public ritual for Lammas. I've been so steeped in learning about Catholicism lately I have kind of put the Goddess on the back burner bag.gif M says of course I can be a Catholic Witch because my religion is between me and God, not about politics of any church. So yay. I am thinking of getting confirmed, but not till I move to MA-- he would dearly love that and he can be there and we can get legally married in his church, and I think that's the least I can do since he handfasted me in my religion luxlove.gif

 

Clay, you are one hardy soul for using 'sposies on a camping trip. That's one hill I was NOT going to die on, when ds was little. It was 7th Generation at first, but then regular icky unsustainable ones when I could no longer afford the woowoo ones. I still used cloth at home, though.

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Well, with the sposie insert, the groVia dipes are essentially "disposable diapers in a cloth cover".  The disposable liner sticks into the cover, kind of like a giant maxi pad.  LOL  And the inserts cost the same as a box of huggies (the only sposie brand that doesn't give my kiddos nasty rashes and/or smell to high heaven of "baby scent").  LOL  I'd be putting Tor in some sort of cloth cover anyway since Huggies are /not/ period for the medieval period, so I might as well kill two birds with one stone and use a cloth dipe lined with a sposie core.  ;)

 

Have you spoken with a minister/priest/reverend/father/padre/etc about the requirements for converting and/or being married in that faith?  He belongs to one of the orthodox groups, right?  Those tend to be a bit more "specific" than the Roman Catholics when it comes to participating in the sacraments (for instance, many orthodox groups will not accept RC sacraments as valid and will require converts to "re-do" those upon conversion).  But maybe not!  Just see if you can contact one of the church leaders to get specifics and make sure they're the sort of thing you are comfortable with (wikipedia covers the confirmation rites of a couple of the bigger groups here).  I know a handful of "Christo-Pagans" (and used to be one myself) but often they start out with the "Christian" bit covered and then add the "Pagan" side.  Doing it the other way round can be tricksy! 

 

There are a couple of women here at MDC who have converted to various Orthodox faiths over the past few years... maybe search the Spirituality forum for their threads?  I think a lot depends on the specific community you're joining too, not just the religion but the actual Chruch community wher you'll participate.

 

Weather- it was raining for a bit today, but it's stopped.  :(  Wish it would start again though because it feels really nice while the rain is coming down.  Between showers it just feels kind of sticky.

 

 

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Originally Posted by wombatclay View PostHave you spoken with a minister/priest/reverend/father/padre/etc about the requirements for converting and/or being married in that faith?  He belongs to one of the orthodox groups, right?  Those tend to be a bit more "specific" than the Roman Catholics when it comes to participating in the sacraments (for instance, many orthodox groups will not accept RC sacraments as valid and will require converts to "re-do" those upon conversion).  But maybe not!  Just see if you can contact one of the church leaders to get specifics and make sure they're the sort of thing you are comfortable with (wikipedia covers the confirmation rites of a couple of the bigger groups here).  I know a handful of "Christo-Pagans" (and used to be one myself) but often they start out with the "Christian" bit covered and then add the "Pagan" side.  Doing it the other way round can be tricksy! 

 

There are a couple of women here at MDC who have converted to various Orthodox faiths over the past few years... maybe search the Spirituality forum for their threads?  I think a lot depends on the specific community you're joining too, not just the religion but the actual Chruch community wher you'll participate.

 

I wouldn't care if it was period; I'm more about ease with babies on trips, but that's me shrug.gif

 

No, I haven't. M isn't orthodox I am pretty sure. I will have to make sure. I do know that he's upset that nobody does Latin mass anymore and he's very traditional. He's so pissed that people come in less dressed up than they used to, and are more disrespectful in general. He would very likely have to have his first marriage declared invalid, which, I think he can because they married because she got pregnant first. And she was a different religion.

 

I have been reading on Christo-Pagans, I did find actually one very good article about how that's how most people were, back when Christianity was taking hold, so back in the day, people did do it in that direction, Pagan to Christian. The article mentioned how now it's mostly done in the other direction because many people become disenchanted (to outright hostile) with the Christianity that they grew up with, or the "bad Christians" lol.gif that go around making all the other ones look bad. You know, the belligerent ones.

 

I also found a really good article on "how to say the creed if you don't entirely jive with everything that's in it" (well, that was the gist of it, lol) and that was very helpful. I did take communion at M's church and once at the Basilica here, before I realized I'd made a mistake and shouldn't have. I thought being baptized Episcopalian was good enough, but it's not-- I read the Catholicism for Dummies book wrong; the baptism is valid and transferable, but I'm not supposed to take communion until I've been confirmed Catholic. Oh well. I did it in good conscience. I won't anymore, though.

 

ETA: I also found a Celtic Christian group here, but they're very new and very small and they meet at their house-- and only for the major holidays right now. Their Lunassadh thingy is happening at the same time as the one I'm going to (and have been attending for over 2 years) so I won't get to meet them very soon. I'm dyingly curious, though, how they combine fairy things and Goddess things with the Bible headscratch.gif

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Wow. 

 

Clay: yes. yes. I would love to drink iced coffee AND let the babes loose in the park.  How cool that you grew up near T-burg and have returned.  DH and I also grew up here and returned. Our travels took us south to PA and Baltimore, though.

 

I love the pictures of Pennsic and must say your children are adorable.  The idea is awesome - it looks like a blast!  Its so cool that the kids can get involved and all of the garb is really authentic looking.  What does your husband brew?  It must be an incredible experience.  What is medieval dancing like?  I should just youtube it.  I'm so lazy sometimes.

 

Maia: I couldn't get the link to work! boo!  I hope that the open house goes incredibly for you.  Lots of positive selling vibes your way.  Or vibes sent out to the universe to match up with the person who is looking.  

 

Catholicism is intense and has so many different...sects (?) it's really incredible.  My inlaws are Catholics and are becoming lay Franciscans which as they describe it to me is like a bunch of Buddhist/Christians.  They are having their proclamation as such next Friday.  Since it is their spiritual way of life and because they are so open about ours we are going to the service.  It should be quite an experience.  I haven't been to a mass in a couple years - the steeple did fall of the church I was last in, though... hmmm... whistling.gif

 

singin- I hope you're settling in well with the baby.  

 

witchygrrl: bless you and your DH in your job hunt.  oyyyy.  

 

valerie; how do you make a t-shirt rug?  that sounds awesome.

 

lots of positive energy for everyone this upcoming weekend!

 

oh, and clay, really... "butterfly poop print" - not funny to you and the work you had to do to make a new rug but WHAT A DESCRIPTION!  it definitely made me chuckle.  

 

 

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valerie; how do you make a t-shirt rug?  that sounds awesome.

 



http://familyfun.go.com/crafts/hula-hoop-rug-995304/

 

 

 

Today is the last day of my work for the government... I'm SO happy!  A few last papers to fill and voilà! Job done!

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by vydalea View PostMaia: I couldn't get the link to work! boo!  I hope that the open house goes incredibly for you.  Lots of positive selling vibes your way.  Or vibes sent out to the universe to match up with the person who is looking.  

 

 

Try this one? http://westchapel.info/index.html or just google MLS # 490802 for Asheville, NC.

 

 

 

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Today is the last day of my work for the government... I'm SO happy!  A few last papers to fill and voilà! Job done!

 

Yay! Good to see you happy, Valerie.

 

Got the carpet cleaned today. It looks amazing. I need to dust and stuff, and get flowers, but I'm feeling SO lazy.

 

DS pulled a huge snarkfest two nights ago, did I tell y'all that? OMG I was so mad. Usually we stop at 7:30pm and I read to him for half an hour, then he reads to himself until lights out at 9pm. Well, he asked me if he could skip our reading together so he could do something else (he has this huge obsession with making elaborate paper guns off of YouTube tutorials). I said yes, you have 1/2 hour. At 8pm I told him time to pack it up. He begged for 15 more minutes, and when I said no, he got ALL pissed off and mouthy. Well, I said that's it, no more paper, tape, scissors, or rubberbands for the weekend. He amped it up some more, and started screaming "I hate you"-- so then I said "and no computer either". OMG you can't believe how that ruined the end of a pretty decent day. I was so freaking pissed. Here he was blaming me because I gave him an inch, and I wouldn't give him a mile after he had the inch. So here we are home today, with absolutely nothing to do, and he's like "when can I have my things back" and I told him Sunday night-- and he started to whine, but I cut him off at the pass and said "you whine, or I hear another thing about it, and you lose those things for another 24 hours" which would be Monday night. Ye Gods, he's a hard head.


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I have been reading on Christo-Pagans, I did find actually one very good article about how that's how most people were, back when Christianity was taking hold, so back in the day, people did do it in that direction, Pagan to Christian. The article mentioned how now it's mostly done in the other direction because many people become disenchanted (to outright hostile) with the Christianity that they grew up with, or the "bad Christians" lol.gif that go around making all the other ones look bad. You know, the belligerent ones.

 

I also found a really good article on "how to say the creed if you don't entirely jive with everything that's in it" (well, that was the gist of it, lol) and that was very helpful. I did take communion at M's church and once at the Basilica here, before I realized I'd made a mistake and shouldn't have. I thought being baptized Episcopalian was good enough, but it's not-- I read the Catholicism for Dummies book wrong; the baptism is valid and transferable, but I'm not supposed to take communion until I've been confirmed Catholic. Oh well. I did it in good conscience. I won't anymore, though.

 

ETA: I also found a Celtic Christian group here, but they're very new and very small and they meet at their house-- and only for the major holidays right now. Their Lunassadh thingy is happening at the same time as the one I'm going to (and have been attending for over 2 years) so I won't get to meet them very soon. I'm dyingly curious, though, how they combine fairy things and Goddess things with the Bible headscratch.gif


I'm reading "Mists of Avalon" and it's interesting to read this fictional transition/blending of pagan & christianity in the book and see your post.  What's coming to mind is the saying which is all gods are one god - mostly in response to the hammering home by the priests of "my god is better than your god" statements. eyesroll.gif   The goddess aspects I'll bet are encompassed with the Virgin Mary, but I'd be curious to hear more orngbiggrin.gif

 

*warning - soapbox moment soapbox.gif   I personally disagree with the idea of taking communion prior to being deemed "catholic" is disrespectful as that you had good intentions of celebrating the faith when you accepted those offerings. It puts my panties in a twist when people get on a soapbox about that kind of stuff - cus if I offered cakes & wine - I would hope everyone felt comfortable to take a bit to celebrate the divine.   *Ok off my soapbox of religious rantings *
 

 

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DS pulled a huge snarkfest two nights ago, did I tell y'all that? OMG I was so mad. Usually we stop at 7:30pm and I read to him for half an hour, then he reads to himself until lights out at 9pm. Well, he asked me if he could skip our reading together so he could do something else (he has this huge obsession with making elaborate paper guns off of YouTube tutorials). I said yes, you have 1/2 hour. At 8pm I told him time to pack it up. He begged for 15 more minutes, and when I said no, he got ALL pissed off and mouthy. Well, I said that's it, no more paper, tape, scissors, or rubberbands for the weekend. He amped it up some more, and started *screaming* "I hate you"-- so then I said "and no computer either". OMG you can't believe how that ruined the end of a pretty decent day. I was so freaking pissed. Here he was blaming me because I gave him an inch, and I wouldn't give him a mile after he had the inch. So here we are home today, with absolutely nothing to do, and he's like "when can I have my things back" and I told him Sunday night-- and he started to whine, but I cut him off at the pass and said "you whine, or I hear another thing about it, and you lose those things for another 24 hours" which would be Monday night. Ye Gods, he's a hard head.


hug2.gifWe are having the same issues here - I give inches, and then when miles are demanded (after inches are given, including warnings and etc)  - all hades breaks loose. I had a serious chat with DS1 last night and stated continued acting out, will result in loss (first a TO, then loss of a toy, then loss of an activity, then loss of a playdate).  I hate being on crackdown mode, but this behavior is crazy making and I am done with it.  

 

Val - yay for last days of work! 

 

Clay - you are the bravest woman I know!  I hope Pennesic is super fun and ya'll  have a wonderful time and lil' babe stays right put until it's time. 

 

Happy Weekend Vibes to everyone!  I hope to be in my garden and outside all weekend long to soak up the sun and wonderful weather. 
 

 

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Originally Posted by _ktg_ View PostI'm reading "Mists of Avalon" and it's interesting to read this fictional transition/blending of pagan & christianity in the book and see your post.  What's coming to mind is the saying which is all gods are one god - mostly in response to the hammering home by the priests of "my god is better than your god" statements. eyesroll.gif   The goddess aspects I'll bet are encompassed with the Virgin Mary, but I'd be curious to hear more orngbiggrin.gif

 

*warning - soapbox moment soapbox.gif   I personally disagree with the idea of taking communion prior to being deemed "catholic" is disrespectful as that you had good intentions of celebrating the faith when you accepted those offerings. It puts my panties in a twist when people get on a soapbox about that kind of stuff - cus if I offered cakes & wine - I would hope everyone felt comfortable to take a bit to celebrate the divine.   *Ok off my soapbox of religious rantings *
 

 

I lovelovelove Mists of Avalon love.gif And yeah, however one sees the Divine is acceptable, IMO, but I'm still having trouble with the One God thing and Jesus as son of. I just read something somewhere that really gelled it as son of God, but dang it, I forgot what it was (the young god as sacrificial, I think it was?).

 

Mary, yeah, Mother of God, tell me she's not the Goddess lol.gif

 

Nobody told me my communion was wrong. Well, actually yeah, this woman did come up to me at the end of Mass here at the Basilica in my town, a couple months ago (or was it weeks?) because I didn't eat the wafer immediately but waited till I got back to my seat, and ohboy did I catch it from that lady. I had no idea who she was.

M said that was really, really wrong of her, and she should not have done that. He said if it was right in my heart, then it's right. Again, he says my religion is between me and my god(s), so I do go with that, but I have books that say not to, so I think I should wait.

 

Ugh, snarkfest-- I'm so done with giving chances. But I hate to take stuff away, so I do tend to either count to 3 or give him some other way to amend his behavior. He keeps coming up to me today and saying he's bored, what should he do. I just pretty well shrug.

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http://familyfun.go.com/crafts/hula-hoop-rug-995304/

 

 


Love that idea!  I want to make one bigger than a hula hoop though.  Unless I make a number of them and secure them together. 

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Love that idea!  I want to make one bigger than a hula hoop though.  Unless I make a number of them and secure them together. 



I wonder if you could make a square frame instead (with some scrap 1"x1" or square dowels) to make a woven block rug instead of circles.  Though stiching circles could look cool too like a giant flower love.gif

 

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I so want this! I wish she made them in adult sizes. Dunno if I'd actually have the nerve to wear one, though: http://www.etsy.com/listing/62692968/2t-to-4t-dragon-hat-in-violet-swirl-with?ref=fp_recent

 

And here is what I bought for myself, this: http://www.etsy.com/transaction/53572195 and this: http://www.etsy.com/transaction/53572289 I am in lurve!

 

Oh, M is going to hang with J tonight greensad.gif He's taken his meds, so no possibility of drinking, but man...I'm so freaking codependent, I will miss him so much. I know that's silly. Sort of. I mean...I told him look, I am not in any way grudging you hanging with a friend. I'm just saying, if we lived together, I'd be right there in the house and I would feel your presence and know you're there. Here, I'm all alone, bereft without you gloomy.gif

 

ETA: YAY! He just called to let me know he got home safe, and he sounds good and happy and upbeat joy.gif

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Maia, I'm still rooting for you.  I remember how stressful and anxiety inducing it was when I sold my house.  I hope yours ill go soon!

 

Wombat, have you tried putting your little one's diaper on backwards?  I tried it when badger was in his stripper stage, and it confused him enough that I could at least catch him in time before he messed on the floor.

 

Our news:  Our move to NY next year is a lock.  We;ve started looking around at houses and shopping areas.  We might be as far north as New Paltz, but no farther.  But we really need to get our photography business off the ground to pay the bills when we get there.  If you live on the east coast (or are facebook friends with anyone who does) can you please like our page - Dancing Fox Photography - and share us on your wall?  I don't post a lot of updates from there, so we won't clutter up your feed.  It would be a huge help to us to get the word out and start showing off our work.  We travel up and down the coast pretty frequently, so though we're based out of Baltimore we can do shoots in other areas.

 

In other news, I have only a little over a week left before I get two more hours of work done on my back piece, and I'm really nervous.  It hurt worse than labor when I got the outline done.  I have 4-6 hours of work left to get it done, and I can't wait!

 

Are there any other Earth's Children fans here?  I just started The Land of Painted Caves and am feeling a little let down so far.  I'm hoping someone else has read it and can tell me it gets better as it goes along.

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Originally Posted by MaxsFox View PostMaia, I'm still rooting for you.  I remember how stressful and anxiety inducing it was when I sold my house.  I hope yours ill go soon!

 

Thanks, MaxsFox...once again, nobody came to my open house mecry.gif gloomy.gif For those of you who are new, this same thing happened last year. I'm really wondering if it's my house, or the idea of open houses, or what. Does anybody go to these things? Ugh. The realtor wants to discuss a price drop of $4500. I'm in no way near ready to drop that much for a first drop. What do y'all think? I mean...it's under $140K to begin with!! Sigh.
 

 
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I hate to say it Maia, but you might end up going down that much.  Your realtor wants to get you the most s/he can - that's his/her paycheck after all.  So if you're being told that you need to go down that much, it's very likely that you'll have to do it.  I've started semi-seriously shopping for our house, and I'm learning how much of a buyers market it is right now.  I'm finding houses - nice, 3br, move-in ready houses - in New York state, commutable to the city, for under $100K.  In many cases they're well under that price.  Asheville (you did say you're in Asheville, right?) isn't exactly a bustling metropolis, so if I'm able to find nice houses near NYC for $50 - $100K, your price isn't going to be a lot higher, even if you're right in town.

 

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you, but I also don't think you should keep holding out for an offer that won't come.  You're still paying taxes and, I assume, a mortgage in the meantime.

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new thread http://www.mothering.com/community/forum/thread/1323876/the-august-pagan-parents-party#post_16582306

 

I've been trying to post in this thread for a few days and it keeps eating my posts... one last try!  LOL

 

Diapers- I'm counting on duct tape.  Heck, duct tape is nearly a sacrament in the SCA (and I found some with flames on it at the dollar store) so it'll even be a fashion statement. 

 

Busted machines- our hot water heater died and, thanks to DH, was reborn!  Huzzah for the hot water!  Then my sewing machine died (there was smoke) but given we don't have the hundred dollars a replacement would cost, I grabbed some screwdrivers and, safe in the belief that I couldn't make it any WORSE, I managed to get it back up and running.  It doesn't run /well/ but it runs.  Enough for me to finish the garb.  And then our diaper sprayer died.  Ok, ok, so that isn't really a machine, but I'm counting it as one to fill out the three.  And it was certainly annoying.  I used a coupon and store discount to get a new one yesterday.

 

Religion- Two things:

 

Celtic Christianity- I don't know the group you've found so I can't say one way or the other, but there is a Celtic Rite/Celtic Church that is really not that different from the Roman Catholic variety.  The Roman Rite and the Celtic Rite gradually seperated over a few centuries (over small things like how a preist should cut his hair, to bigger things like the date of Easter and the forgiveness of sin).  These days "formal" Celtic rite communities are few and far between, so some groups have gone with a more "house church" approach (small group doing the rituals on their own to the extent possible).  But if it's a Celtic Rite community then it's not a matter of blending Christian with Fey/Goddess but more a blending of Christian with folk traditions.  Check out a book like Power of Raven Wisdom of Serpent (an EXCELLENT book for anyone interested in the blend of religions, especially as they affect the lives of women, in the British Isles).

 

Some Celtic Christian groups are less interested in the historical "Celtic Rite"... leaning more towards the pre-Christian beliefs and/or folk traditions of the region.  These groups do tend to have a more specific nature/goddess/gender equality vibe going.  Some stick pretty close to the traditional Celtic Christian service while others are more "new age" in their use of what most of us would consider Pagan themes.  John and Caitlin Matthews have several books that show up in these communities a lot (the Celtic Devotional for one)

 

~~Both books are discussed in the Pagan Resource Thread~~~

 

Spirituality vs Religion- I think this is the heart of the discussion up thread.  Pagans (and many modern Americans of whatever faith) tend to lean towards Spirituality... meaning that your personal connection to the Divine is the most important.  If you feel ok with something, and feel that the Divine has blessed that action, then it is ok and blessed for you to do.  The other end of the spectrum however is Religion (note the capital).  Religion is a set of rules and doctrines that are required to participate in a specific group.  It doesn't matter if a specific rule or doctrine seems "wrong" to you as an individual, it's sort of a "My House, My Rules" sort of thing... if you don't like a rule then you can either keep quiet and just do it despite your dislike or you can find a different "house" where the rules suit you better.  But it is totally within the rights of the Religion to set their own rules and expect people who wish to participate in their community to follow those rules.  It's a huge debate (and a fun one at academic conferences, especially once the drinks are served!) but really that's what it boils down to... Religions get to say "these are our rules, take them or leave them".  A person might feel drawn toa Native American path, but while that path may be good and right and fullfilling and amazing for that person... they can't honestly say they "ARE" members of a specific Native American religious group without the consent of that group. 

 

On the subject of communion within Christian communities... that's a biggie.  Groups have rules and doctrines governing not just WHO can receive, but also HOW communion is received.  Can you stand, or do you have to kneel?  Can you tough it with your hands or must it be placed in your mouth?  Can you chew or must you swallow whole?  Can you have just the wine or just the host or must it be both?  Is it given by hand or by spoon?  (random note- the RC church discourages alcoholics and celiacs from the preisthood because there are rules about the minimum alcohol content of the wine and the gluten content of the host that cannot be bent).

 

Not to single out Christianity though.  In Pagan groups you might hear discussion of "personal gnosis"... where an individual member of the group has been granted an insight or blessing.  A Spiritual moment.  But because it is a "personal gnosis", it doesn't apply to the group and often the group will ask that individual to practice in line with the group when they are with the group, leaving the specifics of the PG to their private practice until such time as the Divine makes that revelation to the group as a whole.

 

There's actually a Bible story that applies... a new Christain asks their leader if it is ok to eat food that has been offered to idols.  The leader explains that if a person does not feel that eating this food is a sin, then there is no sin for that person.  But that if a person feels that eating such food would be a sin, then it is a sin for that person.  However, the leader then continues to say that EVEN THOUGH eating the food may not be a sin for a specific individual, no individuals should eat the food that has been offered to idols because it IS a sin for some to do so, and to eat would tempt those people into sin.  It's kind of the standard story pulled out when someone in a Christian group says "well, it feels ok with me and my personal connection to the Divine"... it may be ok "for you" but it's not ok for "the group".  Spirituality vs Religion.  It's a toughie!

 

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New Paltz- My Dh grew up there!  Well, bouncing between Highland and New Paltz, but right there.  It's a wonderful and very progressive/open little town.  It's a nice blend of collge town, farming community, and nature junkie destination (the climbing rocks, no pun intended LOL).  And it's a pretty quick trip to the city and up to Albany so you can get your big city stuff too.

 

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Maia- what are the comps in your area?  Has your agent given you a good sense for not only how much comps are going for, but how long they've been on the market?  You could check something like Zillow too...  There was just an article in our local paper about how people are not willing to "settle" these days... it's SUCH a buyers market (with new forclosures and stuff being added all the time) that people feel like they don't have to compromise on anything.  And that design shows/magazines have set the bar really high in terms of what people "think they want".  One agent was saying that it used to be people would make an offer on a house that had 7 of their top ten wants but now her clients want 9.5 of those top ten or they wont even make an offer.  :(  I'm still keeping the house selling candle alight though!

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I hate to say it Maia, but you might end up going down that much.  Your realtor wants to get you the most s/he can - that's his/her paycheck after all.  So if you're being told that you need to go down that much, it's very likely that you'll have to do it.  I've started semi-seriously shopping for our house, and I'm learning how much of a buyers market it is right now.  I'm finding houses - nice, 3br, move-in ready houses - in New York state, commutable to the city, for under $100K.  In many cases they're well under that price.  Asheville (you did say you're in Asheville, right?) isn't exactly a bustling metropolis, so if I'm able to find nice houses near NYC for $50 - $100K, your price isn't going to be a lot higher, even if you're right in town.

 

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you, but I also don't think you should keep holding out for an offer that won't come.  You're still paying taxes and, I assume, a mortgage in the meantime.


Well, I think I may go for half that for a first price drop. I can't move anywhere without a good profit because otherwise, I don't have the money to move at all! So we shall see. Asheville isn't a bustling metropolis, but it is a highly desirable place to live. Lots of people want to live here. AND the housing market has gotten better. So we shall see. It was her idea (the realtor's) to set the price at what it is; she really thought it might possibly sell at that price.

 

Yes, still paying taxes and mortgage-- but I'm right outside the city limits, so taxes aren't that bad, and my mortgage is under $700/month. So I'm not going to default. I can afford that until doomsday. I can wait, if I have to-- I just would rather not.

 

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My comment about the taxes and mortgage wasn't so much about defaulting, but about losing out on that money.  The mortgage money you get back when you sell, but you'll never see the tax money again.  Think about how much you pay every year, and weigh that against your price drop.  If your taxes are, say, $4000, and you've already been trying to sell for a year, then you've shelled out $4000 that you'll never see again.  If you wait another year, that's another $4000.  So maybe in the long run it's worth dropping your price by that much to avoid having to pay that much in taxes, because you'll actually come out flush - $4000 less recouped in price, but also $4000 less spent for property tax.  Just something to think about.

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