Originally Posted by sosurreal09
I get what you guys are saying but the consumer needs to evaluate it themselves too.
++So do you expect consumers to do their own multi-year randomized clinical trials? Because that is what you need to prove that something is effective and safe. And then someone needs to audit the manufacturers to make sure that they are making what they say they are making and doing it in a safe way. As a consumer, there is no way I can or will do those things. I'd rather rely on a consumer protection agency to do this. Otherwise I'm just looking at blog posts or partisan "news sites" and using my Google University degree and fooling myself into thinking that I am qualified to evaluate such things, with no real data and without relevant education.
The reality is OTC drugs and prescription drugs ALL have side effects and can result in some horrible outcomes but they are tested and "safe" according to our FDA
++Before they are sold, all drugs (OTC and prescription) are rigorously tested. That's how we know what the side effects are before they are sold. And yes, they have these effects but the FDA evaluates the known side effects and risks of a drug compared to the benefits. And then they are approved (or not) based on this information. And then the information is made public so consumers can have some real data if they want to use the data.
so I would rather research the brand myself, find supplements I want to use myself, and keep the big pharma and the FDA the heck out of it!
++Most people are not scientists who can really understand what they research, and there is not real data on most supplements out there, so most people can't do real research. And as for researching the individual brands - short of auditing a manufacturing facility, I don't know how that could be done. Maybe you have other ways you are researching this that you can recommend?
I only take supplements that are food based and I go through all the ingredients, I can monitor myself to see how they make me feel or if they seem to do anything at all, and I can choose whether or not to take them. Heck the supplements I take now are expensive enough but they have really helped me and I can not afford them if they go up in price!
++It's good that you feel that they work for you. I think most consumers deserve some proof that what they are taking is safe and effective. I want that proof.
You get what you pay for normally so if you go and get "vitamins" for $3 at walmart I would bet they aren't good quality and not worth the $3...
++Inflating prices does not make something better for you.
and please don't categorize this under "poor people are too stupid to think" just like how the $1 menu isn't healthy but "people are too stupid" to not buy it b/c they are poor and uneducated.
++I think people - poor and not poor - deserve to have a consumer protection agency that tests for safety and effectiveness. Most people are not going to do any research before they purchase things.
I mean come on go to any grocery store and how much of the garbage there isn't even real food?
++I'm not sure what you mean here.
Why doesn't the FDA step in and fix that...?
++That's a false dichotomy. If you think that the FDA should get involved in the lack of real food at the grocery store (I think that is what you are saying), then push for that. Call your senator. That does not mean that we do not deserve a consumer protection agency to make sure that the supplements that we are sold are safe and effective.
That would have a way bigger impact on this country than poor quality vitamins.
++It's all supplements, nutraceuticals, homeopathy, etc - not just vitamins.