Curing Allergies with Lasers

[KKKK74]

Has anyone tried this ?? Or extensively researched it ??

http://www.laserallergy.com/ 

I'm very interested in all opinions.

Thanks

[scsigrl]

If this worked, everyone with allergies would know about it.

[KKKK74]

I obviously agree with that to an extent otherwise I'd just sign up for it and wouldn't have posted the question - but I also think there are many things that can be done to successfully cure or help allergies that most people don't actually know about. I'm interested to investigate all avenues more.

Many things may not 'blanket cure' everyone  - but that does not mean they don't work at all for everyone. Not saying this is or isn't the case with this - I don't know I've only just begun investigating it today.

Still interested to hear what other know about it.

Thanks Kate

[scsigrl]

I also think it depends on what you call an allergy.

We deal with several allergy like issues.  We have IgE, FPIES, Celiac and IgG issues.   I would NEVER trust something like this, NAET or other "cures" for say out peanut allergy.  I am not saying it may not help people with non-IgE issues cause I think in some people it may help.  

[azdesertrn]

My family is trying this now.  We saw one chiropractor at the beginning of the year who uses the Bax 3000 machine and have had some results but it was getting too expensive and the chiropractor was an hour away so we had to take a break from treatments.

I discovered my current chiropractor I'm going to also does allergy treatments using the machine like you linked to, so we are going to start allergy treatments with him next week.  He is going to give us a discount since I am also seeing him for chiropractic adjustments so it will be more affordable.

My 10 yr old son has mostly behavioral and digestive issues with his allergies and it seems to be helping him.  He used to react badly to corn products yet really really craved them.  Since having the allergy treatment for corn products he no longer has strong cravings for them and seems to digest them ok when he does have them.  He used to beg for fritos, nachos, and popcorn but would have diarrhea from them as well as temper tantrums.  Now he eats them in moderation - the strong craving is gone.  He seems to digest them better but I can't be sure if that is because he is eating less (by choice).  He tested positive for many different things on the Bax 3000 machine, so he still needs a lot more treatments.  They only treat one allergy group at a time.

My husband has had less asthma and sinus issues since he started treatments.  He has numerous environmental allergies so he still needs more treatments too.  He also has a shellfish allergy that hasn't been treated yet - that will be interesting since it will be more obvious whether it really works or not.

The reason we looked into laser allergy treatments originally is because of a glowing testimonial from a mom in a local mom's group.  Her son was cleared of multiple allergies including eggs.  He had had projectile vomiting from eggs, but the day after treatment he was able to eat scrambled eggs with any reaction.  It also improved his asthma.  (Her son was treated by the first chiropractor we went to with the bax 3000.)

I'll try to remember to update once we have had some treatments with the other machine if anyone is interested.  The new treatments will be with the LAX 7000 which is the older version of the LZR7 that was linked in the initial post.

[scsigrl]

So you are speaking of NON-IgE intolerances, not allergies, correct?

[azdesertrn]

We have both types and are treating both with the laser treatments.  My son has intolerances, my husband and I have both IgE allergies and some intolerances.  My husbands allergies are much more severe than mine and he had been seeing a traditional allergist for years for allergy shots, steroids, inhalers, daily claratin etc... prior to trying this.  He is still taking an occasional claratin but rarely needs an inhaler (and has stopped allergy shots and the steroids).  In the past when he has missed allergy shots he really noticed  a change in symptoms, so this is a big improvement for him - its been over 6 months.

[scsigrl]

Were the IgE allergies to food?  When was the last time he was tested for them?  After the treatment?

[azdesertrn]

Originally Posted by scsigrl 

Were the IgE allergies to food?  When was the last time he was tested for them?  After the treatment?

No, we haven't been treated for the food IgE allergies yet.  We do have some that we will eventually get treated.  (Shellfish for my husband, strawberries for me)  So far the only IgE allergies we have treated were environmental (mold, dust, various pollens, animal dander.....)  With a limited budget, my husband wanted to do the environmental stuff first since its easier to avoid shellfish than pollen.  I'm excited that with the lower price at the new chiro we can get more treatments done.

My understanding from one chiro is that food IgE allergies are sometimes laser treated with more long term success than food intolerances because what they are doing with the laser is calming the inappropriate nervous system reaction to a substance.  Sometimes intolerances are due to inability to digest something due to lack of enzymes or whatever - if that is the case laser treatments may only help temporarily because if you continue to eat a substance you can't digest well your body may eventually start to react to it again.  Although he also said that by removing the inappropriate reaction the body sometimes learns to digest it better??  He claimed to be getting a good success rate with both.

My husband was being tested for allergies once a year for years while doing the allergy shots.  No, he hasn't been tested by the regular allergist since the laser treatments and I'm not sure he ever will be unless his allergies get worse again.  (too much out of pocket cost if we don't have a need to do it - but it would be interesting to see)  The chiro does muscle testing before and after a treatment to check and see if it worked.

I had a lot of trouble accepting the whole premise.  I first heard about laser treatments years before we started them.  It seemed too star trek like to think a red laser and an electrical signal could treat allergies, but with my husbands worsening allergies I finally decided to gamble and we have definitely seen improvement.  We are not cured yet, but have had enough improvement I am ready to spend money on more treatments.

[scsigrl]

I dunno.  Unless I saw the numbers of someone who had a food allergy and saw the numbers go down I am not sold.  I know how bad environmental allergies are (have had them for years!) and I would be willing to try for that but I don't believe for a second it works for food allergies.  The explanation about nervous system reaction just doesn't even begin to sound correct.  It has to do with the proteins getting through the GI tract and causing an immune reaction.  Last I remember studying (which I will admit has been a long time) the immune system and nervous system while connected, is not connected like that.

[emilysmama]

azdesertrn, I am truly glad that your family is finding relief, because I know how awful allergies can be.

That said, with all due respect, the information about the device described in http://www.laserallergy.com/index.php/about/ was a complete waste of electrons.

I have a PhD in Physics, specializing in optics, and have worked with/installed/maintained and built many different kinds of lasers for decades, including all of the kinds described in the website.  (I have also suffered horribly due to allergies, which are now under control thanks to allergy shots, with no thanks to constant exposures to lasers of all kinds.)

The way that the information is written is laughable, especially everything that was written about lasers.  For example, the part about how light is measured in wavelengths and usually expressed in nanometers.  Yes, that is true, but a legitimate company wouldn't write it that way because it's not relevant to convincing people that the device works.  Pretty much every single sentence in that website is weird like that.  I have visions of the author frantically googling key words like "laser" and "LEDs" and "low-level", and indiscrimately cutting and pasting random sentences from the internet.  The author him/herself doesn't understand what he/she is writing about, because there are a couple sentences that are just not factually correct, and the entire thing is just nonsense. The end result is the above link, which a long collection of paragraphs bursting with impressive-sounding scientific buzzwords that are designed impress people who do not have a very strong scientific background.

The website has been written to relieve people of their money, not of allergies or any other medical ailments.

Edited by emilysmama - 7/15/11 at 11:06am

[scsigrl]

Originally Posted by emilysmama 

The website has been written to relieve people of their money, not of allergies or any other medical ailments.

Thank you SO much for this.  I think it is important to point out the SCIENCE behind many of these alternatives is not scientific at all!  I could not agree with you more about relieving people of money not allergies.  I think they in large part are playing into peoples hopes and fears of allergies.  Again, if it worked, we would ALL know about it.

[emilysmama]

Originally Posted by scsigrl 

Thank you SO much for this.  I think it is important to point out the SCIENCE behind many of these alternatives is not scientific at all!  I could not agree with you more about relieving people of money not allergies.  I think they in large part are playing into peoples hopes and fears of allergies.  Again, if it worked, we would ALL know about it.

I can sympathize because my dd suffers so much with allergies, that I would almost be willing to believe/spend anything. So it really makes me mad that charlatans prey upon desperation like that.

The comments in the web site about the recent developments in quantum physics and Bose-Einstein were just so sad, that they were funny.  Even the stuff about physiology, biology, and medicine, which is not my area of expertise, just sounded so fishy that they smell bad. I mean, some of the individual sentences were not wrong, but they were obviously randomly put together to maximize the number of buzzwords.  It's like whenever someone uses the phrase "paradigm shift" to sell me something, I immediately get suspicious. Or when someone you've just met starts dropping names of famous people, and pretends as if they're best buddies.

The website describes the device as a solid state diode laser with a wavelength of 635 nanometers (also written as 635 nm), with a power of 5 mW (that's milliwatts).  Do you know what that is?  I've got one in my desk drawer right now.  It's called a RED LASER POINTER that I bought from Office Max!  You know, the penlight-sized laser pointers.  If you go to any office supply store, and read the tiny stickers affixed to the laser pointer, you will see all of those exact specifications written in teeny-tiny print. When I bought my laser pointer ten years ago, it was maybe fifty dollars.  Today, if you go to the store and buy one, it will cost you drastically less.

I do thank the original poster for bringing it to our attention. She did us a great public service.  This device is something that very few of us have heard of before, and now that we know about it, we will be aware of it when it becomes widely advertised.

Edited by emilysmama - 7/15/11 at 2:02pm

[dwink2u]

I started this with my two sons last year.  One has Asperger's and the other has eczema and peanut allergy issues.  I did not mention the Asperger's to the practitioner because I was curious to see if he charged more if there were more "issues".  Well, sure 'nuff, the one with eczema and peanut allergies was "higher" than the other.  I decided to try it anyway in hopes of seeing results. (BTW, they're both on "conventional" allergy shot treatments).  There are 4 stages to the treatment and in each stage, they're treated for various things.  I did not agree to complete all 4 stages - told them I wanted to see how things went with the first two stages.

The way their treatments went, they were treated for something (eggs, milk, dairy, etc.) and they were to avoid this item for 24 hrs. - they were not to ingest, touch or smell.

We started in Dec. and in Jan., I realized it would be very difficult to keep it up with school and not being able to control what they smelled or touched.  I emailed the Dr. and told him that we would not be completing all 4 phases because of this.  When we started back in the summer, SURPRISE, protocol had changed!  It was now ONLY 3 hrs. they had to avoid the item.  I had never received a response from my email stating this.  I don't think he wanted to acknowledge it.  Yes, red flags really went up.  I was already having serious doubts about it.  My son has one spot of eczema but it goes away in the summer when he's in the pool (chlorine clears his spot).  The Dr. seem so pleased that his eczema spot was "cured"!  I then told him, not realizing at the time he thought he was responsible, that it cleared up every summer.

And, when we first started going, I would get a print out of everything they were being treated for.  I have asked for this twice now and he refuses - telling me he's treating for "everything". 

Does this protocol sound familiar to anyone else who has been doing this? 

Oh, the treatments were about $1,300 for each child and he required payment up-front. 

Would love to hear from others about this protocol - NOT a practitioner who might be lurking here.  I'm very suspicious and no, have not seen any results from the treatments - unfortunately.  I was very hopeful.

[Thalia the Muse]

dwink, he's changing what he tells you based on what he thinks will make you keep going; he's charging $1,300 a pop; and you're not seeing results -- is there a reason why you are considering NOT dumping him immediately?

[dwink2u]

Thalia, it was $1,300 per child for all 4 stages of treatment.  We prepaid (his requirement) so I was trying to complete more of the first 2 stages in hopes of seeing improvement - still giving the treatments another chance.  If we had not prepaid, I would certainly have stopped going.  I definitely plan on asking for a refund for 1/2 of what we paid since we won't be completing.  I do expect a fight there and I'm sure he'll say since the "protocol" changed, he has been treating for issues in stage 3 and 4 also therefore he is not obligated to issue a refund.  I would LOVE to hear from others to see if their practitioner has mentioned this "change".  If he's not being truthful, he will be reported to the BBB and State Dept. of Con. Affairs.  But, I need to know first about protocol "change".

[azdesertrn]

Okay, I wanted to update now that DH has had his shellfish allergy treated and successfully ate a bowl of clam chowder last night!  Clams (and oysters) were his strongest shellfish allergy and in the past he has reacted just to airborne/steam exposure, he was also allergic to shrimp and other crustaceans, but not as severely.  We tested it last night.  First he just leaned over the pot of clam chowder and breathed.....and we waited, then he dipped a spoon in and licked it, and we waited......finally after over an hour of slow tasting, he had a whole bowl.  He never reacted!  We'll be testing more seafood soon, but so far I am impressed.  No swollen lips, red face, hives or asthma flare-up!

We will be continuing treatments at the new place.  Its a series of 12 treatments at this place.  DH has only completed 2 out of 12 there, but also had some environmental allergies treated at the first chiropractor (results of that described more in my earlier post).  DS has completed 6 out of 12 - he has some changes in cravings/digestion, but not the big behavioral changes I was hoping for. His eczema is improved, but that may be seasonal.

As far as some of the posts above, neither place we went asked for payments in advance.  We are paying per treatment.  The current place even offers the first treatment for free.  The avoidance period after treatment has been 3 hours for both places - I thought the 24 hour thing was just for NAET and that laser treatments worked better and had a shorter avoidance, but there seem to be a lot of different systems out there.

On a side note, a diet forum I visit has a like 50 page discussion on curing "allergies" with an ordinary laser cat toy or laser pointer - there seem to be mixed results.  Apparently you shine the laser through the item towards your belly button for 2 minutes and then avoid the item for 24 hours.  I don't think the type of laser is what is important for the treatments.  The treatments from the first chiro used a red laser, the current place uses green, so a completely different wavelength.

And I agree with those of you that said the info on the web page linked to sounds weird.  It definitely wouldn't have encouraged me to try it.  What convinced me it was worth a shot was actual testimonials.

Sorry for any typos, its late and I need to get to bed.

[angel657]

The bax3000 really does work. I have had the treatments and I can not express how greatly it has effected my life. I used to plan on getting sick every day, since getting the treatments a few months ago, I have not had an allergic reaction, I have not been sick, and I've been eating what would normally make me extremely ill (dairy).

[CoBabyMaker]

azdesertrn- Would you be willing to share an update on your family's progress?
 

[yogagrl]

I went through a similar course of treatments in Gahanna Ohio. It was $1500 prepaid plus supplements. This would be about one month's gross income for me.

I will say that the allergies I knew I had are the same or worse than before, even though the practitioner/ her computer said I was cleared of all of them. Within a month I had reacted to feathers, and as soon as grass pollen season started I had symptoms that- according to my partner- were the worst in over 6 years. Oddly I have had a few new food reactions that I had not had previously- twice now my entire mouth has become inflamed from (relatively mild)  Indian food, which had never happened before.

The practitioner was taken aback when I told her I had not seen an improvement in my allergies. She insisted that grass pollen season had already started when it had not, and that this would make me the *only* client in two years who had not seen improvement.  I think I would be the only client who knew enough about cognitive dissonance to not fall into the trap of thinking, "well, I wouldn't pay this much money for something that didn't work, so it must have worked, right?"

Definitely relieved the wallet only in my case.