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post #41 of 65

I have never had to do the rice cereal thing, but my daughter is the same age. She is formula fed and a week ago she started to have terrible spit up. It came out of her nose and it was projectile and after every feeding. I know this won't help you, but I switched her formula, held her upright for 15-20 minutes, massaged her tummy and it seemed to have worked. My point is - as much as it freaked me out that it came out of her nose and exorcist like- she was hardly disturbed by it. She gave a small whimper and gave me the look of where is the rest of my food. The similac website has an image of what is the proper amount of spit up (breast fed or formula fed spit up is spit up) I would take a look at that and consider switching. Out of all the things - that should not be the first recommendation for a baby that young imo.

post #42 of 65
FWIW...I have seen rice cereal work. The amount that is used is really quite small although it is certainly not preferable. I would avoid it in favor of positioning but I would try it and many other things, over a prescription. Gastroesophageal Reflux ( as opposed to typical spit up) can cause feeding problems if under treated...and it really doesn't have to be that severe. It's a common problem in preemies. Maybe instead of running away from a pediatrician, you can talk to him or her about concerns. It is supposed to be a collaboration and this recommendation is not necessarily indicative of terrible recommendations to come. If you are that concerned you can interview this person to see if it is otherwise a good match. Rcommendations are just that. If it is not a good fit than ask for another recommendation. It is a good idea to meet and interview a ped or any care provider before you select them to make sure that it is a good match....I think that if you cannot ask why than that is a bigger indication to run. Do what is best for your baby as only you know.
Edited by portlandmama - 7/12/11 at 10:27am
post #43 of 65
Thread Starter 

Thanks everyone for your suggestions! I met with the lactation consultant today and we think maybe my letdown is too fast for the lil one sometimes, especially when I haven't nursed in a while. DD lets me get about 4 hours in a row at night and then in the morning my boobs are pretty full.

 

But I think Im starting to even out and I'm trying to keep her sitting up more after she eats, and her nose spewing has stopped some.  And she's gained 2lbs since we left the hospital, so I am sure I panicked over nothing :) 

 

We will hold off on the solid foods. Let's let her hit her due date first ;)

 

Thanks again!

post #44 of 65

I would consider finding a new ped as well. This is very old-school advice and probably indicates that the ped is not that accustomed to dealing with breastfed babies. Best medical practices can be different depending on whether a nursing or a formula-fed baby is involved (adding rice to a formula bottle is fundamentally different from weaning a BF-ed baby to formula thickened with rice or even adding it to breastmilk). The most recent literature tends to favor *delaying* solids and non-breastmilk liquids for babies with GERD, not introducing them very, very early. Breastmilk is soothing to the gut and helps to heal/reduce esophageal damage in severe cases of GERD. It also is absorbed into the lungs when aspirated, something that isn't true of other foods. Babies who are refluxing due to food sensitivities have an even greater need for the immune and gut health support breastmilk provides. Yes, plenty of BF babies have allergies and plenty of FF babies do not, but breastmilk does give a baby his or her best chance at tolerating a wide range of potential allergens. If I were in your situation I would do my best to keep my baby on breastmilk.

 

I had a baby with reflux and what worked for us was:

 

Carrying DC upright or in cradle position with her head and shoulders elevated

Wearing DC for naps

Cutting the top 8 allergens (dairy, eggs, and soy were the worst offenders) and garlic from my diet and adding probiotics and digestive enzymes. With time DC's intolerances improved and we now can eat just about anything except dairy and soy.

Low doses of Zantac when the reflux was causing DC pain. We got ours from a compounding pharmacy in order to avoid the alcohol, flavoring, parabens, and sugar/sweeteners, and were glad that DC ended up only needing the ranitidine for a very short period of time. 

 

I hope things improve for you and your baby!

 

post #45 of 65
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But I think Im starting to even out and I'm trying to keep her sitting up more after she eats, and her nose spewing has stopped some.  And she's gained 2lbs since we left the hospital, so I am sure I panicked over nothing :) 



This is really great news! Grow, baby, grow! joy.gif

post #46 of 65

FWIW, the recent studies I have seen (linked over here, I think?) have said that the benefits of delaying solids are equally true of breastfed babies and formula-fed babies. Which is just to say....Feeding a baby formula and feeding a baby rice cereal are two different things and not even in the same ballpark. Premies and other at risk babies in NICUs who don't/can't nurse or eat expressed breast milk for whatever reason are given formula and thrive on it. I've seen solids and formula grouped together in a few posts here and that's a bit misleading.

 

post #47 of 65
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This is really great news! Grow, baby, grow! joy.gif



 



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Originally Posted by lovelylisa View Post

Thanks everyone for your suggestions! I met with the lactation consultant today and we think maybe my letdown is too fast for the lil one sometimes, especially when I haven't nursed in a while. DD lets me get about 4 hours in a row at night and then in the morning my boobs are pretty full.

 

But I think Im starting to even out and I'm trying to keep her sitting up more after she eats, and her nose spewing has stopped some.  And she's gained 2lbs since we left the hospital, so I am sure I panicked over nothing :) 

 

We will hold off on the solid foods. Let's let her hit her due date first ;)

 

Thanks again!



Yay!! Glad that the LC was able to help you. Good job on the weight gain, Mommy!!

post #48 of 65

My son had terrible reflux and we tried the rice in the bottle with the breastmilk thing.  I will never try it with future babies and it makes me sad to think that I tried it at all.  It made everything so much worse.  I was trying to avoid medication.  He would scream in pain after the rice and was still having terrible reflux.  I remember DH sitting with him in the rocking chair when DS was about 4 weeks old.  Baby A was literally dry heaving in my husbands lab, his skin was green and in between heaves he would scream.  I was done.  We stopped the cereal and added Prevacid.  1 week later I had a brand spanking new happy baby! 

If you or your ped really think thicker milk would help, I would ask about a non-nutrative thickener instead.  It usually used for very premature babies who have swallowing/aspiration issues.

On a side note, spit up is sometimes normal for babies.  Just because it's coming out of her nose doesn't mean it's a bad thing.  Is she happy the rest of  the time?  Content after nursing?  Gradually having longer awake periods?

post #49 of 65
My son is 3weeks old as well and he will eat 4oz every 1hr or sooner. The normal formula doesn't keep him full so I added just a little bit of gerber baby rice cereal to his bottle and it keeps him fuller longer
post #50 of 65
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Originally Posted by MaddisonYontz View Post

My son is 3weeks old as well and he will eat 4oz every 1hr or sooner. The normal formula doesn't keep him full so I added just a little bit of gerber baby rice cereal to his bottle and it keeps him fuller longer

 

Please read the rest of the thread - it is VERY dangerous to give a 3 week old anything but breastmilk or formula.

post #51 of 65

In regular circumstances this definitely sounds wrong.   I don't know anything about reflux treatments.   But in general, definitely doesn't sound like sound advice and I would get several other pediatric opinions if possible.

post #52 of 65
My son will be one month on Friday the 12th and according to gerber as long as he comes to the spoon and is a supported sitter meaning sits up with help than he's ok to eat rice and certain baby food.. My son has full head control basically so he can sit in his bumbo and hold his head up just fine.. If ur child is like than than its ok to feed them formula and add something to it like a small amount of rice. I'm also starting him on apple sauce an bananas today so I will let everyone know how that goes:)
post #53 of 65

Of course, we each get to choose how we feed our babies, but it seems that a 1-month old is very young (read: too young) for anything but breastmilk or formula. I am writing because I'm nervous that another mother will read your post about your baby's eating habits and model her baby after what you're doing and not necessarily research beyond. Unlikely, maybe, but this is truly a passion of mine....

 

Gerber is happy to sell you baby food, but , I'm sure, but I personally am planning to stick to the WHO and UNICEF guidelines, which are also quoted on the Gerber website:  "Review of evidence has shown that, on a population basis, exclusive breastfeeding for 6 months is the optimal way of feeding infants. Thereafter infants should receive complementary foods with continued breastfeeding up to 2 years of age or beyond" (empahsis mine). (Links here and here) Also, this is their definition: "Exclusive breastfeeding – the infant only receives breast milk without any additional food or drink, not even water"

 

And remember, babies have tiny stomachs so of course they eat frequently! Especially good for newly-nursing mothers is this story about The Princess and the Chickpea. My now-3 month old son is a big-time 'cluster feeder' - he eats nearly constantly for a few hours each evening (I used to joke that it was from 5 p.m. to 11 p.m., and sometimes it was very close to that entire time that he was latched onto my breast!) and then sleeps for up to 7 hours with a single sleepy feeding in the middle somewhere, usually initiated by me. 

 

To the OP, my LO used to spit up a lot through his nose too and it made me so sad for him. I cut out dairy, eggs, and soy (one at a time, hoping I wouldn't have to avoid them all) and now he only spits up if we miss getting a burp out. I ate a sample of Greek yogurt on Sunday and he had terrible spit ups on Monday. Even a little can make a big difference!

post #54 of 65

Madison PLEASE STOP. Your child is too young for solids. Current recommendations by all major health orginizations is a minimum of 6 months of exclusive breastfeeding or formula. If your baby is hungry you need to increase the number of bottles he is getting, not fill his tummy with foods he can not properly digest and which pose choking hazards to him. Have you asked his doctor about this plan?

post #55 of 65

The Gerber website actually states... "Before starting solid foods, make sure your baby is at least 4 months old and shows signs that she's ready"

 

http://www.gerber.com/allstages/slideshow.aspx?gcid=bee8d12a-46c0-40e6-bb7f-97f7562e62bf

post #56 of 65

The formula companies make specific anti-reflux formula, like "Enfamil AR" and I guess the AR means anti-reflux but really it is "added rice"-- the have rice starch (not super different from rice cereal) already added in.  BUT they do it very specifically to keep the nutrition content the same as the regular formula, which is NOT the case if you just add your own rice, especially if adding too much.  If I was going to make a dietary change, I would feel more comfortable doing it that way (while also focusing of course on things like burping, positioning, small frequent feeds, etc).  IMO it is not the exposure to rice that is the big issue but rather the changes with nutritional intake.  Yea, some babies will react badly to rice, but look at the mega long list of ingredients in formula- any of us could react badly to anything.  

post #57 of 65

OP, the other recent issue with rice cereal in general is the high arsenic levels that are being found in rice right now...according to consumerreprts.org, infant rice cereal tested very high in arsenic, which is super scary, imo. 

 

here is the link:

 

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2012/11/arsenic-in-your-food/index.htm

post #58 of 65

Good information, dannic, but this thread is over a year old, and OP's baby is a bit older now and probably past the rice-cereal age.  The thread has been active because MaddisonYontz revived it and has been offering advice that is ill-advised at best, dangerous at worst

post #59 of 65

woops.  well, all the more reason for maddison to not feed it to her newborn, also. blush.

post #60 of 65
Thread Starter 

My little girl is now 16 mo old, we avoided the rice cereal completely and found a new dr.Still breastfeeding toosmile.gif

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