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post #21 of 62


Hmmmm. We're at 34 wks and also breech. Total surprise, since the last appointment the OB was saying "baby's head is down, relax & enjoy the ride" kind of stuff. But the last two weeks have been feeling all the kicks, etc., below the belly-button (and I do mean well below ... like around my behind) ... and had a hospital u/s last week, which is how we found it out ...



So will have to reread this thread if I missed it. What's the Webster thing?

And for those of us without access to tilt boards, any other suggestions?

Besides sending head-down energy to tammy & the rest of us, that is ...
post #22 of 62
I am sorry that the decisions & the waiting are getting to you. I've been a lurker for quite a while--I have the worst time coming up with user names--& your post prompted me to finally register & post a message because I wanted you to know that you are not alone.

When we found out that dd was breech, I thought I was fine & then wound up crying on the drive home. It was such a shock to me & I totally understand what you are going through. The time between that appointment & dd's birth was an emotional roller coaster. I think for the first month after her birth I was still bummed about not delivering vaginally. Now, I'm glad to have had the time I did to adjust to the concept of a c/birth & I am so happy to be a mommy. Try to trust yourself & your instincts & do your best to relax. I will be holding good thoughts for you.

post #23 of 62
Thread Starter 
merpk - a tilt board can be anything - lots of people use their ironing board. (Although I managed to dent mine!)

Webster is a chiropractic technique that's supposed to be pretty good at turning breech babies.

Here's a link to a whole bunch of techniques: http://www.geocities.com/momcare/breech.htm
. And there are a bunch more links in the "Suddenly Breech" thread.

At 34 weeks, you've still got plenty of time to work with the baby, so good luck! I didn't find out until I was 37w2d, so I feel like I've been in a race with the clock ever since.
post #24 of 62
Thread Starter 
Thanks, auntieM. I really thought that I was doing much better, but now I just feel overwhelmed again. Hopefully tomorrow (well, today, it is 4 am...) will be a better day.
post #25 of 62
I really understand where you're at -- I was there 6-7 months ago. It is really hard. I had so wanted a natural birth and got a c-section instead. I did come to a place of acceptance about it a week or so before the birth. I knew I had done everything I could to help baby turn, I had been convinced that a cesarean was safest for my baby, and I was just ready to meet him.
Doesn't mean it wasn't traumatic, and I cried a lot of tears before I got to some acceptance.
The information/research on breech delivery is really confusing and it's such a hard decision to make. For me the clincher was that as far as I could tell, a VBAC for my next birth would be safer than a breech delivery for my first birth. But knowing some things I know now, I might choose differently if my next baby was breech. I did find some homebirth midwives who were willing to work with me, but I didn't end up being comfortable with that option.
There is also good information on www.birthlove.com about planning a "good" c-section. I didn't get it exactly the way I would have wanted it, but I did wait to go into labor which was important to me.
Best wishes to you,
Cassidy
post #26 of 62
Hi Tammy!

I'm so glad to see that you're here on the MDC boards. We've met a few times---I'm Kristin's friend from Epi with the 2-year-old daughter named Mira. These boards are a wonderful community and resource for parenting.

I hope that all is going well. Mira was also breech/transverse till about 39 weeks. I did everything....she ultimately turned while DH was shining a flashlight and singing a welcome/let's turn song to her.

You've gotten lots of great feedback here. I hope that you have a wonderful birth experience with whatever is.
Best wishes!

StillForest/Sharon
post #27 of 62
you dont need to have a c-sec just b/c your baby is breech! if your baby is a frank breech, meaning the butt, not the feet, are presenting first, it is safe to have the baby vaginally. your doc might not be into it, but you can find a doc to support you, or tell your doctor he has to support your decision to birth vaginally, if you decide you want to. but breech shouldnt automatically mean c-sec!
post #28 of 62
you can have a footling breech deliver safely and vaginally, also, as a friend of mine did just less than a year ago. the Farm is a great resource for this and their literature really helps foster trust in the natural birth process; at least, it has for me. unfortunately there is a lot of conflicting information, as though there weren't enough of that around birth anyway.

the owner of a doula agency i work with has a hypnotherapy technique and also some other things she does to help turn breeches, with herbs and things. if you are interested in speaking with her please pm me.
post #29 of 62
Thread Starter 
At this point, I've given up on the idea of a vaginal breech delivery. None of the doctors in this area do them. Since one of the most important factors in a successful vaginal breech delivery is an experienced practitioner, even if I could convince a doctor who usually doesn't do it, I don't think it would be a good idea. Nor do I want to be hours away from my support network and my home.

My midwives would do one at home if I really insisted, but I'm not willing to expose my baby to the additional risks. And from my reading, I believe that there are significant additional risks. While they'd do it, they don't recommend it for a first time mom, and I trust their judgement and experience.

In addition, I don't even know if the baby is in an appropriate position for a vaginal attempt. He's sort of half breech and half transverse. His head is usually under my right rib cage, and his ?butt? (or something...) is above my left hip.

So I will continue to do all of the natural things I can to encourage the baby to turn. And if that doesn't work over the weekend, I will let my OB attempt a version on Monday morning. If that doesn't work, well, I'm going to make my peace with it all and work with my OB and my husband and my friends and family to plan the best darn c-section I can. I'm due in 9 days. If I had more time, maybe I could make different decisions (more likely I'd just end up tormenting myself with a stream of too much information). But I don't, so I'm going to make the best of the time that I do have.
post #30 of 62
Tammy ~ I've been following this thread (and sending lots of baby turning thoughts your way) and I just wanted to say that I think you have a really great attitude. Good luck and enjoy your birth and your new baby (however s/he chooses to enter this world)!

~Erin
post #31 of 62
Thread Starter 
Thanks, Erin. I'm trying. Some days are better than others...
post #32 of 62
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by StillForest
Hi Tammy!

I'm so glad to see that you're here on the MDC boards. We've met a few times---I'm Kristin's friend from Epi with the 2-year-old daughter named Mira. These boards are a wonderful community and resource for parenting.

I hope that all is going well. Mira was also breech/transverse till about 39 weeks. I did everything....she ultimately turned while DH was shining a flashlight and singing a welcome/let's turn song to her.
Hi Sharon!

Thanks for sharing your success story - as I approach 39w I like hearing about those last minute flips.
post #33 of 62
Tammy--you're recent posts sound like you are feeling better & have made some decisions. I'm so glad! Please continue to keep us posted on how things are going.


post #34 of 62
tammylc-
I have just been reading over the thread and completely understand and feel for where you are coming from, emotionally. I am 36.5 weeks and my baby has been breech from the start. I have done everything, music, tiltboard, headstands. I have talked and encouraged my baby to flip. Each appointment the midwives tell me to keep up with the exercises, saying there is still plenty of time. Then, at this last appointment it became aparent that baby is still heads up. And very dropped. Butt is sticking into my cervix and pelvis quite comfortably, even causing me to be 1 cm dialated. So, after two ultrasounds this week I am scheduled to do a version this afternoon. I went to the accupuncturist yesterday and she did some moxibustion on me, but wouldn't do the accupuncture because she felt really strongly that the baby is breech for a reason. It isn't the cord, but there is a reason and she didn't want to aggitate the baby. So, I am meeting with my midwife and a physician who will attempt to do the version today. My guess is that they wont be able to do it, though. Baby is so far down in my pelvis that the u/s tech couldn't even see the baby's butt, she would have had to do the u/s vaginally to see it. So, despite my planning, my heart set on a natural birth center birth and all my natural birth classes, I am now faced with the heart-breaking idea of a c/sec. I of course want what is best for my babe. And nobody in my area will deliver breech. I would have to travel two hours. I am now thinking that maybe everything happens for a reason and that this is a lesson I can learn from. Anyway, my spirits are quite low as well and I wish you the best of luck in turning your little one.
post #35 of 62
Jesika,

Please join us on the support board for csections if you have any questions. Some of us have been where you are!
Take care of yourself and I hope your baby flips today!
post #36 of 62
Thread Starter 
jesikaj - Blech. I'm sorry. And obviously, I can relate. I wish you good luck with your version, and your birth, however it happens. Do keep us posted.

And *big hugs* (If you'd like some...)

auntieM - I alternate between feeling better and feeling depressed. Depends on day (or sometimes, which hour of the day it is). But I'm trying to be in good spirits and be as prepared as I can be for whatever happens.
post #37 of 62
HI we are sending blessings your way I had the webster preformed at 31wks i think DS turned at the 2nd visit however I did a total of 5 my chiro is 28/29 the only one not successful was his own grandbaby... I remember reading that the pool sometimes can keep them breech i did lots of the tilt on the ironing board ( we still have he poor ole dented thing) and I would also play flash light games with him. I literally felt him flip flop on the 2nd webster visit. Just keep hope and visualize him turning ( i think that really helped me) I even pasted around vertex baby pics :LOL Then if all else if your baby doesnt turn always remember there may be a good reason he/shes comfy resting near your heart..

Michele SAHM to Kai 6months old
post #38 of 62
Thread Starter 
If someone swims a lot during their pregnancy, the pool can encourage them to be breech and keep them that way. If you didn't swim at all (like me) then it can have the other affect. It's all about "mixing it up."

Thanks for the good wishes. I go for another Webster today.
post #39 of 62
Thread Starter 
I keep a journal on www.livejournal.com. I've been writing volumes trying to work through everything that I'm feeling. This is something that I just wrote there, but wanted to post here as well.

I was trying to explain to DH the other day why I've taken this so hard. Because on some level he just doesn't get it. As long as we've got a healthy baby, etc, etc. And it occured to me that a big part of this for me is about rites of passage. And that maybe it's harder for him to get it as a man, because men don't really have the same rites of passage regarding their bodies.

Getting your first period is obviously a big one. Losing your virginity can be another. But*birth* - now there's a ritual. Heck, look at all the other rituals in the world - so many of them are designed to simulate birth in one way or another... This is powerful, symbolic stuff. And I had really, strongly embraced my planned birth in that way. What was my plan? To let my body show me the way. To give my intellect over to the physical, animal part of me. To travel through "laborland" (as my childbirth educator calls it) and come out the other side, a mother.

I don't want to just *have* a baby. I want to *birth* a baby. And that's what I'm so sad about the possibility of losing that opportunity. That instead, my birth becomes almost the epitomy of intellectualized - a highly trained man, standing over my womb with a knife, carefully plucking this little life out of my and bringing it into the world. That's it exactly - it's that *he's* the one who gets to bring the baby into the world, not *me*. That's what's bothering me. That's why this is so painful. Huh. I've been pondering writing this for a while, but hadn't had the time to sit down and do it. I'm glad I did, even though it was hard and I'm crying a little bit now. Because the more I understand, the more I can hope to accept.
post #40 of 62
Quote:
Originally posted by tammylc
I keep a journal on www.livejournal.com. I've been writing volumes trying to work through everything that I'm feeling. This is something that I just wrote there, but wanted to post here as well.

I was trying to explain to DH the other day why I've taken this so hard. Because on some level he just doesn't get it. As long as we've got a healthy baby, etc, etc. And it occured to me that a big part of this for me is about rites of passage. And that maybe it's harder for him to get it as a man, because men don't really have the same rites of passage regarding their bodies.

Getting your first period is obviously a big one. Losing your virginity can be another. But*birth* - now there's a ritual. Heck, look at all the other rituals in the world - so many of them are designed to simulate birth in one way or another... This is powerful, symbolic stuff. And I had really, strongly embraced my planned birth in that way. What was my plan? To let my body show me the way. To give my intellect over to the physical, animal part of me. To travel through "laborland" (as my childbirth educator calls it) and come out the other side, a mother.

I don't want to just *have* a baby. I want to *birth* a baby. And that's what I'm so sad about the possibility of losing that opportunity. That instead, my birth becomes almost the epitomy of intellectualized - a highly trained man, standing over my womb with a knife, carefully plucking this little life out of my and bringing it into the world. That's it exactly - it's that *he's* the one who gets to bring the baby into the world, not *me*. That's what's bothering me. That's why this is so painful. Huh. I've been pondering writing this for a while, but hadn't had the time to sit down and do it. I'm glad I did, even though it was hard and I'm crying a little bit now. Because the more I understand, the more I can hope to accept.
Tammy I could have written this those last few weeks with my daughter. {{{HUGS}}}
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