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So I guess I'm learning a lot here!  LOL... I found this article talking about the difference between paleo and primal...

http://paleoblocks.blogspot.com/2010/08/paleo-versus-primal.html

 

It's weird because the blogs and cookbooks I have been following talk about the importance of eating saturated fat, especially coconut oil and even some butter or ghee and they also say not to use artificial sugar.  According to the definition in the above article, I am more primal than paleo.  We eat a lot of coconut oil and other healthy fats and although we use some stevia, we don't use any other sweetener... even honey.  I do still drink coffee and that is allowed in the paleo diet books I have read.  I have only read Robb Wolf and the woman who does the everydaypaleo blog, as far as Paleo sources.  This stuff gets confusing!

 

Basically, I eat clean, grain/sugar/starch free, limit fruit (my kids eat a bit of fruit and I'm fine with that), eat a good source of protein every meal, balanced with a large selection of veggies.  And when I follow this and limit my cheating to not more than once a week I feel AWESOME!  I have lost a ton of weight and have built quite a bit of muscle.  I play roller derby and my stamina and endurance have increased exponentially.  I can tell when I've been cheating too much because I can't keep up in a pace line during practice!

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OIC good difference blog. I am definitely primal then! I LOVE coconut everything!

 

We are really limited in budget...so our breakdown is like this:

 

15lbs grass-fed CSA meat-   $128

 

All fruits and veggies, and more meat organic, also any coconut products and oils - $175

 

raw nuts and tons of eggs (not organic)- $31

 

It's not ideal but it's the best we can do!

 

Here is an example of our day: (DH is always at work or school and doesn't eat as well as us btw)

 

breakfast- eggs (I have 3, DD has 2) maybe with mushrooms

 

snack- fresh veggies or berries

 

lunch- chicken and pea pods with cashews

 

snack- veggies or fruit

 

dinner- steak, "rice" cauliflower. with sauteed zucchini and squash

 

dessert- coconut yogurt

 

This is us so far...we did just start and I know peas are "questionable" but DD loves them and at this point I am not willing to be really strict on our diet since it seems really healthy. I know some people limit fruit as well but we are not there yet. (I sort of limit it for myself)

 

 

Where do you all buy your fish? I am not close to any fish markets and don't think I can trust walmart fish or grocery store fish....what do you think? Is walmart fish better than no fish? (remember the limited income as well here!)

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sosurreal. we have a very limited income as well, we can't even afford the grass-fed beef. and I definitely will not eat store bought beef.. so we are just going to stick with chicken, fish, and eggs as far as our main sources of protein. Wal-Mart sells bags of shrimp for around $5.50-$6.00 a bag. I believe they are Alaskan shrimp, they are not fresh but frozen in the seafood section. comes with about 30 large shrimp per bag. This is what I like to get, not as as good as fresh of course.. but with some seasoning it is still delicious. and an excellent source of protein. Also, not TOO expensive. As far as other fish from Wal-Mart goes I'm unsure..Their salmon is pretty expensive for such a small amount and I just can't afford it right now, so I've been eating canned tuna/salmon  : \

 

oh well we do what we have to do, right!

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Summer is so easy for us - year round, I order 1/4 of a cow every month and in summer we visit our CSA about 3 times a week (1 day is our pick up and the other 2 days we get "extras" aka leftovers.) The only time I go to the store is to buy condiments like stone ground apple cider vinegar mustard, acv, olive oil or some herbs/spices. I buy cream by the case and occasionally yogurt directly from a local grass-fed, biodynamic farm (Seven Stars). We buy 3 gallons of raw, 100% grass-fed milk & a 5 pound block of raw, grass-fed cheese from a local farmer about every 10 days (maybe a bit more often sometimes.) I buy cheap cuts of chicken from a local farmer, mostly necks, backs & feet. Sometimes I'll get pork butt & bacon, but not often because they're pricier. We get lard regularly too & use it A LOT. I get KerryGold butter by the case to save money.

 

Did I describe our daily soup in my other post?? Big ole pot of rich bone broth, add sea veggies (kelp, kombu, arame, etc) and stuff as many veggies as you can in the pot (especially tons of greens!) add Celtic salt to taste & some herbs/spices like rosemary, oregano, bay leaves, etc & puree. We like it really thick. I serve it with a big gob of cream & nobody can get enough of it - even in this 100+ degree weather!

 

A typical day:

 

Breakfast:

2 eggs, fried in lard, topped with butter, Real salt & sea veggie flakes.

FCLO

 

Snack:

Glass of milk

Couple of Brazil nuts

A handful of berries (if they're in season - they are now.)

 

Lunch:

Bowl of above mentioned soup.

Leftover meat from night before (cheeseburger, steak, roast, etc.)

 

Dinner:

Some kind of meat - shredded pork butt, pot roast, turkey meatballs with adobo seasoning, etc.

Whatever veggies are in season - right now we've been having a lot of pattypans sauteed in butter & garlic & chard the same way.

Ferments - gingered beets, pickles, carrots, kraut, etc.

 

If we're wanting some sort of "treat" I serve something seasonal - like now it would be berries with cream. In fall/winter, it might be baked apple slices (just apples with coconut oil & cinnamon) with some whipped cream (just cream, whipped.) I also like to make a butternut squash custard which is just butternuts with cream, eggs, a little salt, cinnamon & nutmeg. It serves well cold too.

 

We used to use coconut flour but I found it led to carb cravings and Ramiel Nagel (Cure Tooth Decay) says it's REALLY high in phytic acid. We go pretty easy on nuts for the same reason. I try really hard to limit fruit to what's in season (OUR season, not California's or Chile's.)

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Yeah we have $206 of our food budget in state aid (food stamps) so we can't buy directly from farms. We try to go to the farmers market that takes FS, but otherwise we shop at a local place that sells a lot of local goods, also (GASP!) trader joes and whole foods. Like I said it's not ideal but it's what we can do right now. Someday we will be able to do meat and fruit/veggie CSAs and be happy! Until then we are grateful for what we can do.

 

Ideally in a few years we want to homestead.

 

We try to eat what is in our season too, but we also freeze things.

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We've been eating primally for some time now & it's awesome. I've noticed that the kids stopped requesting snacks all the time (because their blood sugars stabilized.) I do limit fruit and we focus on eating seasonally & locally - I think this helps with limiting fruits a lot. We've been having berries and some stone fruits because they're in season here, but it's such a fleeting season that I'm not worried about it. We focus on eating fats, meats & non-starchy veggies. Something that's really made things simple is to make big batches of bone broth every few days and just stuffing TONS of veggies from the CSA in there along with sea veggies and Celtic salt. I simmer it then puree & serve with a big ole dollop of cream. We eat this for breakfast (and sometimes lunch too) pretty much every day & everyone loves it. Then I just makes various meals of meats/seafood and veggies cooked in lots of fat & topped with butter. We don't go crazy on nuts/seeds because I'm not sure about the phytic acid (even with soaking/sprouting.) Once in a while, a little handful is okay with me.


So you are saying that you serve soup (bone broth plus veggies, then pureed) for breakfast and lunch?  While I love this idea, and could totally see myself having that for those meals, I'm pretty sure I have at least one child who would soon be starving.  How do you get your children to eat that?  One child in particular has told me that her least favorite part of vegetable beef soup (which is basically bone broth, veggies, and a small amount of beef) is the broth.  

 

 

 

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Heather - I found that just going to the diet fully was the easiest for my kids.  I tried to ease them over, but they were super resistant to it.  So I just cut out all the illegal foods.  The first couple days they didn't eat a whole lot, but than as they got the cravings out, they started eating stuff that they wouldn't have even touched before.  Every time I let them cheat they get way picky again.  I have found for my kids that it's the grains and starches that make it so they will only eat certain foods.  My 4.5 year old was not at all into meat, it was hard to get him to eat chicken and eggs!  Now he gobbles down the meat!  Tonight he ate almost a whole steak! 


 



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Our meals today went thus...

Breakfast -

  Breakfast burritoes made with

  Tortillas made with egg and coconut flour

  

 

I also wanted to mention that everydaypaleo.com is an excellent blog written by a mom of 3 young children who are also strict paleo.  She gives a lot of great kid friendly ideas and her cookbook is one of the best grainfree cookbooks I have seen!


So you feel like just going cold turkey was easiest on your children?  I'm kinda leaning that direction, too.  Not sure how compliant my DH and oldest DS will be.  They tend to eat out quite a bit more, and are very much in love with the sugar and carbs found in chocolate chip cookies, lol.

 

Please tell me more about your tortillas made with egg and coconut.  We *love* breakfast burritoes, and it's such a quick easy breakfast, I would be sad to never make that again. It's probably DH's favorite thing for breakfast.

 

 

 

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So you are saying that you serve soup (bone broth plus veggies, then pureed) for breakfast and lunch?  While I love this idea, and could totally see myself having that for those meals, I'm pretty sure I have at least one child who would soon be starving.  How do you get your children to eat that?  One child in particular has told me that her least favorite part of vegetable beef soup (which is basically bone broth, veggies, and a small amount of beef) is the broth.  

 

 

 


When you shove enough veggies in there & puree it, broth is undetectable! It should be reeeeeaally thick - like applesauce consistency. We really like the bit of cream added too - plus, it helps us to utilize the minerals & vitamins in the veggies/broth. My kids honestly love it & request it as soon as we get home from outings. I think not filling them up on snacks too will encourage them to eat what's being served. I don't know why mine eat whatever I serve them...maybe because this is pretty much the way they've always eaten?

Someone said something about serving white rice - while it's not ideal, you can make it as nutrient-dense as possible by cooking the rice IN bone broth (no water.) You can add cooked bone marrow & raw butter to the finished rice with some Celtic salt & mix it around - sooooooo yummy! The bone marrow doesn't add a flavor, just makes a creamy consistency, like risotto (it's not at all soupy.) It's fast & easy to roast marrow bones in the oven for this. This is what I make if the kids have a yucky tummy, it's very soothing.

 

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Yeah we have $206 of our food budget in state aid (food stamps) so we can't buy directly from farms. We try to go to the farmers market that takes FS, but otherwise we shop at a local place that sells a lot of local goods, also (GASP!) trader joes and whole foods. Like I said it's not ideal but it's what we can do right now. Someday we will be able to do meat and fruit/veggie CSAs and be happy! Until then we are grateful for what we can do.

 

Ideally in a few years we want to homestead.

 

We try to eat what is in our season too, but we also freeze things.



Can you order beef shares through the farmers at farmers' markets that accept food stamps? That's what I do. We have a local family owned whole foods store & I've often wondered if any of the local farmers who sell their meat products there would be willing to sell a share through the store so customers could use their food stamps (or if the store would be willing.) I've ordered cases of meats and eggs before (with a discount), so it might be possible.

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I'm aspiring to become Primal family one day!

 

I was told by a doc to go gluten-free (although I'm not celiac), so I'm mostly Primal right now since I refuse to buy the gluten-free crab foods. I still have some rice or corn tortilla maybe twice a week. Will be cutting that too. Since I cook for the whole family, which is DH and my 2yo their diet got grains cut too, but not completely yet. DH would be very hard to convince, he likes his occational pancakes and I don't see him giving away rice. He is from Puerto Rico and rice and beans are such a staple there. Is it possible to be Primal 90% of the time or does it negate all the benefits?

I plan on keeping the fruit and tubers. Having the hardest time cutting sugar (actually the only thing I crave is ice cream and chocolate), even fruits. greensad.gif I decided to focus now on cutting grains and sugar, leave fruit for now at least.

If you make smoothies is it ok to add a bit of honey or maple syrup or is that a NO in Primal diet too?

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Can you order beef shares through the farmers at farmers' markets that accept food stamps? That's what I do. We have a local family owned whole foods store & I've often wondered if any of the local farmers who sell their meat products there would be willing to sell a share through the store so customers could use their food stamps (or if the store would be willing.) I've ordered cases of meats and eggs before (with a discount), so it might be possible.

Not that I know of and I have dug pretty hard to find out.

 

So we have been primal for like 5 days now and I am over my carb flu and feel AWESOME! I haven't had this much energy since ever I think. I have already lost over 4lbs too! This is so exciting!

 

I was wondering if any of you have any credible links related to primal diet and it's effect on the heart (good or bad). I mean does sat fat actually cause heart issues? We eat a lot of it...That is my only real concern.
 

 

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sosurreal- here is a good article on saturated fat http://www.naturalnews.com/029930_saturated_fat_health.html

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I have hear "natural news" is not very credible!

 

Anyway I feel great and am now completely full from breakfast until around 3pm. I have been eating either 3 eggs or 2 eggs and a couple of sausages. Then around 3 I eat a big helping of veggies and some meat. Down 5lbs this week total! I can't believe how much energy I have. I used to be a horrible morning person and now I am just up and ready to go!

 

Yesterday I didn't do to great and I am paying for it today! Let's just say my body is rejecting the carbs and sugar....my stomach is killing me. Guess that is my proof they aren't good for me!

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Is anyone here concerned about the unsustainability of this diet? 

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Since I've stopped being vegan, my diet is much more sustainable.  Lierre Keith does an excellent analysis.  All my animal products, both dairy and meat are from local animals & from farms I know.  I actually still eat plant strong, and luckily keep it from the farmer's market this time of year..

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Is anyone here concerned about the unsustainability of this diet? 


 

Not really especially compared to a SAD.

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Is this for a week or a month?  I'm on GAPS right now and it's just so darn expensive.  So if this is what you do for a month then I know it's possible to keep my budget down!
 

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OIC good difference blog. I am definitely primal then! I LOVE coconut everything!

 

We are really limited in budget...so our breakdown is like this:

 

15lbs grass-fed CSA meat-   $128

 

All fruits and veggies, and more meat organic, also any coconut products and oils - $175

 

raw nuts and tons of eggs (not organic)- $31

 

It's not ideal but it's the best we can do!

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subbing! coming back to join the discussion when I have time!

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Gardenmommy - yes, cold turkey was the easiest.  Mark's daily apple has a great recipe for coconut flour tortillas.  They only call for a couple TBS of coconut flour.  I, too, try and limit both nuts and coconut flour.  But it's nice to use in moderation.  The spunky coconut blog also has some great recipes for treats that can be altered to be primal/paleo.  I do use small amounts of dark, grain free, chocolate chips and honey a couple times a week.  I have also found that if I cheat on this diet once a week as long as it's not on gluten, I recover fairly quickly compared to other "diets". 

 

I also struggle finding shares of grass fed beef that you don't have to pay a huge amount down to get.  I am also on a limited, one income, budget.  Summer is great because I grow and glean a lot of veggies for free or close to it and I can freeze a lot to save for winter.  But I still struggle with good sources of meat and I just lost my eggs source and am back to store bought eggs.  I do shop at Trader Joes often and here in Portland we have a local store similar to Whole foods called New Seasons and they have a lot of  local options.  But I can't always afford to buy everything organic and local all year around so I just try to at least stick to the dirty dozen.

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