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post #1 of 17
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I'm a 21 single college kid. I was raised in a good home but my parents split when I was young. I have 3 older brothers 2 of which are very successful. One who is lazy and jobless. He has 2 children and married a women recently who has 4 others so thats 6 all together and they don't have custody of 3 of them but thats 3 children living in a home with parents with no jobs, My sisterinlaw use to be a stripper but lost her job because of her most recent pregancy. My brother is just lazy and wont try.

 

There house is horrible it's dirty and filled with beer cans. There is no children like kitchen things and just junk food in the cabnits. The kids don't eat regular meals like with a family and the parents don't even have clean laundry for there kids. They also don't make them brush there teeth or anything.  They constantly go out and get drunk and leave the kids with me or my family. The kids are behind in school and have serious problems that need a parent to work with them with. But my brother seems to think parenting is throwing a kid in a room with a movie.

 

My family keeps there mouths shut but when is it time to step up and do something? My heart breaks everytime I see them because I wanna take them and run and protect them from bad parenting but is this grounds for cps. What should I do? I watch the three boys around once a weeek and I just want them to be ok and in a good home. I just need advice my heart is breaking.

post #2 of 17

yes, I would call!

post #3 of 17

yes, I would call!

post #4 of 17

Yeah drunken parents who have a house filled with beer cans and don't take care of the kids in definitely neglect. I would call.

post #5 of 17

Call and HOPE they get into a decent foster home.

post #6 of 17

Is there a family member willing to fight for guardianship of the kids instead?  Then the kids can still be helped with out the trauma that is CPS intervention.  Plus that would guarantee that the kids stay together and connected with the family.  Just a way better solution for everyone all around if possible. 

 

If not, then I guess you should call.  Doesn't hurt to try anyways.  They may or may not do anything (it's always a crap shoot).  And the only thing you mentioned that is definite "abuse" would be the filthy house with no clean laundry.  The rest is just really, really bad parenting.

post #7 of 17
Make the call. Regular feeding, clean clothing and linens and adequate supervision are some of the very basic of necessities that kids deserve.
post #8 of 17

Depends on your state. Texas won't investigate that. In Texas, the child has to be in danger, not just poorly parented. If the beer cans are a possible injury hazard, otherwise, they won't.

 

You can call the state hotline number and make a report. Let the social workers decide what they are going to do.

post #9 of 17

I would not call based on the info given.

 

What are they guilty of?  Messy house, bad nutrition, dirty laundry?  These are not CPS worthy.

 

Going out regularly and getting drunk is not good - but they do get a sitter when they do so.....

 

I have called CPS on 2 separate families in my lifetime.  I am not opposed to calling CPS when need be - I just do not think the info given above warrants it.

 

I empathize with you.  I have watched children in bad situations and it is heartbreaking.  Be there for the kids as much as you can while still taking care of yourself, and model responsible adult behaviour - it does help, sometimes a lot.  ((HUGS))

post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by CrazyCatLady View Post

Is there a family member willing to fight for guardianship of the kids instead?  Then the kids can still be helped with out the trauma that is CPS intervention.  Plus that would guarantee that the kids stay together and connected with the family.  Just a way better solution for everyone all around if possible. 

 

If not, then I guess you should call.  Doesn't hurt to try anyways.  They may or may not do anything (it's always a crap shoot).  And the only thing you mentioned that is definite "abuse" would be the filthy house with no clean laundry.  The rest is just really, really bad parenting.


I agree with this. And is there anyone who could go over and help them clean up the house & stock the kitchen cabinets, run a few loads of laundry, etc? Do you think they just need a hand getting things under control, or do you think this is part of a larger pattern of abuse or neglect?

I do think some of these things are subjective so I'm not clear if "no clean clothes" means they always have to wear stinky dirty clothes or just that their clothes don't match because the coordinating pieces are dirty. I don't know whether a "filthy house" means there are toys and laundry and a few cans lying around or that there are bugs and human excrement and mold growing in the sink... and I don't know whether "no regular meals" means they all eat TV dinners in separate rooms or if there is literally no food in the house. But if they are on the extreme end of any of these scenarios I would probably call CPS. I don't think you've provided enough detail here for us to say definitively either way, but some of these things COULD be red flags for abuse/neglect depending on severity.
post #11 of 17

first want to send hugs and yes i would call.

post #12 of 17

These people are for sure bad parents, I'm so sorry for these kids. I'm also sorry for your family, who has to witness this and is put in between responsibilities that are not theirs and kids they don't want to let down. THat is horrible. :(

 

 

However...

 

Some people have crappy parents. Their house is filthy...yes. Not grounds for CPS to be called, they have a right to have a dirty house. THey go out drinking all the time...yes. But you stated they leave the kids with you. Not fair to you. Also not grounds for CPS intervention. Poor nutrition, same thing. It sucks. It's not grounds for somebody to come in and take these peoples children away.

 

Some people grow up poor, with horrible food and parents who don't care about them. Some people grow up rich, with awesome food and parents who don't care about them....some people grow up poor, with horrible food and dirty homes....and parents who think their kids are solid gold, who do everything they can to show them love and honor them as people.

 

The grounds for calling CPS are what they are for a reason. Being born into a dirty home with parents who would rather leave you at grandmas while they go out binge drinking is certainly terrible...but it's not as bad as being born into a family where the children are beaten, molested, left alone for days in the house, etc.

 

Gentle encouragement...not so gentle encouragement, unending support for and love toward these kids   <---all very good ideas. Calling CPS   <--- I wouldn't do it.

 

Your heart is obviously in the right place. But people do actually have the right to be bad parents...there are folks out there who don't care that my house is clean and my pantry full of good food and all of that because I don't vaccinate...and think I should have my kids taken from me for medical neglect because I don't vax. You see what I'm saying.

 

Besides....I don't think your fantasy outcome for these kids is anything close to what they would actually get if you called and CPS actually ended up doing anything. :( I'm sorry.

 

 

post #13 of 17

I'm not saying they will take the kids away but definitely call b/c maybe they can help them at least! They have programs and things that can get the kids healthy foods and help the parents with the alcohol consumption (if they want it?). They can help them utilize programs they have for people who need help or can't make ends meet etc.

post #14 of 17

maybe you should sit down and write a heart felt letter instead. Try not to finger point or call names.. make it about the kids. I don't think laundry and a dirty house are means to take a child away or else I'm guilty. Do you live with them. I have cleaned my house spotless.. and right behind me a little one is yanking EVERYTHING I just put away onto the floor and it looks exactly like it did before. Kids=messy houses.

 

What is in their cuoboards.. what do they have for dinner? Are you there every day? Can you suggest to them healthier options? Could they be poor and that's how poor people eat? Sorry but junk food is cheaper. Not fair but it is. I just picked up these disgusting marshmellow grahm cracker cookie things that I would never in a million years want to buy but it was like 10 bags for a dollar so I did. You do what ya gotta do. They never got eaten btw dh and dd think they're gross lol.

 

So you can say instead of doritoes just buy plain corn tortillas and have salsa! they say sugar can cause diabetes later in life if introduced to it as a child and has no nutritional value. Or whatever it is you think they are feeding them. Or pick up the beer cans and loudly voice to the children WE DONT WANT THESE LAYING AROUND DO WE! YOU COULD CUT YOURSELF OR GET SICK! and make it more flamboyant than just picking it up.

 

If you think they have a learning disability sugest getting them a tudor or you could tudor them.

 

I think we need more specifics because yes, poor people have crappy food and yes children means a permanently messy house. Kids also mean stained clothes!!! Every single beautiful brand new shirt I have bought dd is stained or some sort of orange sauce. Eventually you get over it and throw it on the kid anyway. Stains don't equal dirty. My daughter gets pee on her clothes daily. kids laundry builds up FAST. If I were single I could wear the same outfit all week long and it would still look good and clean and fresh. I have to change my clothes three times a day else I'd be going to the store with fingerprints on my butt and believe me.. I'm giving up and going to the store as is now. I just don't own enough clothes and detergent to look lovely anymore lol

post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by babygirlie View Post

maybe you should sit down and write a heart felt letter instead. Try not to finger point or call names.. make it about the kids. I don't think laundry and a dirty house are means to take a child away or else I'm guilty. Do you live with them. I have cleaned my house spotless.. and right behind me a little one is yanking EVERYTHING I just put away onto the floor and it looks exactly like it did before. Kids=messy houses.

 

What is in their cuoboards.. what do they have for dinner? Are you there every day? Can you suggest to them healthier options? Could they be poor and that's how poor people eat? Sorry but junk food is cheaper. Not fair but it is. I just picked up these disgusting marshmellow grahm cracker cookie things that I would never in a million years want to buy but it was like 10 bags for a dollar so I did. You do what ya gotta do. They never got eaten btw dh and dd think they're gross lol.

 

So you can say instead of doritoes just buy plain corn tortillas and have salsa! they say sugar can cause diabetes later in life if introduced to it as a child and has no nutritional value. Or whatever it is you think they are feeding them. Or pick up the beer cans and loudly voice to the children WE DONT WANT THESE LAYING AROUND DO WE! YOU COULD CUT YOURSELF OR GET SICK! and make it more flamboyant than just picking it up.

 

If you think they have a learning disability sugest getting them a tudor or you could tudor them.

 

I think we need more specifics because yes, poor people have crappy food and yes children means a permanently messy house. Kids also mean stained clothes!!! Every single beautiful brand new shirt I have bought dd is stained or some sort of orange sauce. Eventually you get over it and throw it on the kid anyway. Stains don't equal dirty. My daughter gets pee on her clothes daily. kids laundry builds up FAST. If I were single I could wear the same outfit all week long and it would still look good and clean and fresh. I have to change my clothes three times a day else I'd be going to the store with fingerprints on my butt and believe me.. I'm giving up and going to the store as is now. I just don't own enough clothes and detergent to look lovely anymore lol



I think you made a lot of really good points here. I forgot that the OP is childless, oh man....yeah, OP, having kids means keeping a clean house can feel like an absolute MARATHON some days. Another good point, is that unless you're living there, you really don't know how these people are living or interacting with the kids.

 

One thing I do want to clear up, though, from the post quoted above...is the myth that poor people eat poorly because they are poor. Poor people who eat poorly, eat that way either because they don't KNOW or don't CARE. I am just about as broke as the day is long at this moment in time...we had some major expenses come up that really cleaned us out....our food consumption has not changed. Every day, breakfast, lunch and dinner...clean, whole, from-scratch-cooked foods. If you use your head, know how to cook and have the desire to eat well...it is possible to feed your family well on a very tight budget.**  I actually find that the simpler and less processed food filled my shopping list is, the less I spend at the checkout. It helps that our milks comes from the farm of our friends, our eggs come from our chickens and we raise chickens and rabbits for meat....but anyone who is willing to get creative can still eat well, even if they are "poor".  Besides, I know plenty of "rich" people who eat atrocious atrocious food.

 

**Edit to add, tight budget meaning: I spend $100-120 on groceries every week...that gets me breakfast, lunch and dinner for two adults and two toddlers. I live in New England, where prices tend to be higher...I do a LOT of cooking and have to be really smart with my meal plans...but I think $120 is a pretty good food budget for a four person household for a week. If I'm really tight, I can actually squeeze it for $90...my personal best is $87 for breakfast lunch and dinner for a week...GOOD food. But that was REALLY crazy amounts of cooking, too. That is why one of the most important things I do for my kids, is incorporate them into meal preparation, meal planning and food shopping. My daughter has been on a stool helping me cook since she could stand...my son is later in joining, but at 20 months he;s now up there, too...he can stir and flip things, but at this point all I care about is his interest. My DD just turned three and has graduated to chopping by herself and can even (kind of!) dice things. One of her main responsibilities is egg collection and she also observes the chickens for signs of distress/illness. She's been helping more with the rabbits this summer, too. She understands where our food comes from. She knows how to pick good produce from bad in the store and from a field, she knows how to make soups...she can whisk up gravy in a pan from pan drippings and stock almost completely on her own. She loves cooking.

 

If my kids leave my home as young adults with one advantage...it will be that they know how to feed themselves. If you know how to cook and are interested in the process of feeding your body...it doesn't matter how rich or poor you are, you will be able to make it happen. The gift of cooking and understanding food/nutrition, is the gift of health and happiness. TEACH YOUR KIDS TO COOK, people!!!! /rant sorry for the novel!


Edited by BroodyWoodsgal - 8/5/11 at 4:50am
post #16 of 17

We are poor and we don't eat crap either! Have you SEEN the price for doritos? Seriously we could never afford something extravagant like that. Our food budget is $350 a month, and somehow we buy all whole organic foods and grass-fed/pastured (mostly local CSA) meat. So I'm sorry but being poor is NO excuse to eat crap. Ignorance is the key there...or a lot of people say "time management" I am a SAHM and I do make everything homemade so I can't say much about that.

post #17 of 17

I would find out what your state's CPS says is reason to call. 

 

Then I would sit down and think *hard* about the issues you have listed, and sort out the "dangerous" from the "stuff I think is crappy parenting".  Then you will have a better idea about whether to call.

 

Feeding them crap food is not a reason to call, nor not sitting down to family meals.

 

Leaving young children alone in the house regularly and for significant amounts of time is.  So would be actual abuse.

 

"Filth" is so subjective, you need to be cautious about that.  If there are piles of animal feces, dead animals, trash piled up so that you can't walk properly, that's filth.  If it's messy and cluttered, maybe not.

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