NAMW - I'd read the instructions of your OPK and see what it says the positive means. Mine says that it's the luteinizing hormone and that 12-48 hours after that is the normal ovulation time. From what I've read you want the sperm inside and waiting when you ovulate. But frozen sperm doesn't last long so you don't want to do it too soon. That seems to be where the benefit of temping comes into play. It will let you know that you've ovulated for sure and if you have it tracked before with the OPK results then you can see what your average time between a positive OPK and a rise in temp. But, I haven't done this yet and I don't temp, so this is just what I've learned from reading things. To me, doing the insem tonight before bed and then the next one the next morning makes more sense than trying to do it during the day today. That way you can lay down and go to sleep after. If you were using fresh then you can inseminate longer before ovulation.
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Jenny—that photo is great! I also like that it matches your profile pic! Don’t worry about me—I’m thrilled to get some baby stuff! DP and I have been not buying anything (well, I have two vintage outfits and a baby bjorn that I found at a thrift store, but that’s it) so to have some things is exciting! I haven’t been through it yet—they took a bunch with them and then left the rest for us, so I have no idea what’s lurking in the plastic bins. I’m going to wait until they actually move before I start going through them, though—it seems strange to dig in while they’re still in the house.
Handerson—it sounds like you’re on the right track! Just listen to Krista—she knows about all of this stuff and remembers the details so those of us who are more forgetful don’t have to! When are you planning to do your first insem?
Sara—Ugh. Sorry about the job. I bet you’re right about the mileage thing, although $15 extra doesn’t sound like too much to pay for a good employee to me. I’m sure you’ll find something great soon! Are you still working at chipotle? Come on, Mr. August!
Selsevin—Welcome! Nice to have you with us! I wish I had some advice on the donor question—we’ve never been looking for donors of color (well, I haven’t. Now that our friends’ gorgeous Filipino/Indian son has been born DP keeps asking if we can switch it up and have beautiful little brown babies, but I never want to change donors again if we don’t have to). Where are you in your cycle? Let me know and I’ll be happy to add you to our list!
NosReves—sheesh! Maybe I should send you my address and get goodies from Europe, too! My British friends have gone and dropped the ball on the homemade cards-and-candies front…DP and I get into that argument all the time—usually because she’s trying to be reassuring that we don’t have to keep doing this if I don’t want to, which I interpret as her saying that she doesn’t want to, which isn’t the case: cue crying. I hope that you two made up alright!
Carmen—Sorry about the weight—I feel like I’ve gained at least 10 (and honestly, more like 15) pounds since starting TTC. Between feeling sorry for myself and not being allowed to exercise, things have been going downhill. I’m holding out hope for breastfeeding as the solution…
Hi Jenn! Welcome over to QC! Hopefully you’ll only need to be with us for this month and once you’re in Denver you can head to Q&P instead of back to the 3 Month forum! Sad that you’re moving, but I bet Colorado is going to be great for you!
Nicole—I’m putting you in the TWW, since it sounds like you’re about there. I think I would split the difference and try to do the ICI 18 hours after your positive OPK, so 4pm today. Is that a possibility? Good luck!
AFM—Wow, I’m chatty today! Probably trying to distract myself…I did a digital HPT this morning, so DP and I would know what to expect with the blood test. And the result? A picture of a book. Which is one of the error messages. So we’re taking it as a sign that we’re not supposed to know until this afternoon. I did have a dream that I had a positive test (instead of two lines I got a star!), so I’m feeling a little more hopeful, but prepared for a no, too.
Yeah i just keep hearing people call it frozen but its really not.. Its just sent cooled and they put some buffer in it to keep the eggs alive. I do plan on taking her temp and doing opks daily so we will know when it says positive. Since we are getting sperm shipped its going to be a bit tricky like you said. We are going to try this for 2 cycles and if it doesnt work we will just have to make a trip to see him for a few days so we can get fresh...
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Hi everyone --- My wife and I got another BFN on Sunday, so I can be moved to the "waiting to O" list (well, *I* am not waiting to O - partner is, but ... you get it :) ). That makes 6 failed IUI cycles. We are certainly disappointed, but not really surprised because we felt that the insemination was a bit early this go-round. In the mean time, I have a question that I'd love to hear your thoughts on. We have a potential known donor, which is super exciting because up til now we've only used frozen goods and the prospect of increased odds with fresh goods and multiple inseminations per cycle has renewed our hopes. The donor does not currently have health insurance, so we'd of course pay for all STD/STI testing. This morning I've been on the phone with Planned Parenthood and a couple other clinics in the area and I have not yet spoken to anyone who even has heard of cytomeglavirus (CMV). I literally spelled it for one person I spoke to and explained what it is and why we're concerned about it. Granted these aren't doctors or nurses that I'm speaking to -- probably just administrative folks, but it concerns me. My wife is CMV negative and the fertility clinic has made it clear that it's essential that the donor also be CMV negative. I've read and understand the risks, which are serious, but am baffled that so few straight folks know about it, and if straight folks trying to conceive aren't concerned, how concerned should we be? What about you all? If you are/were CMV negative, would you rule out a positive donor? I'm going to see if we can just send our donor to the fertility clinic for the testing. I really want this donor to work out and I hope this CMV thing doesn't ruin it! I'd love to hear your opinions!
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afm... DP and i had a huge argument tonight over a complete misunderstanding. we both ended up sobbing.... i can't help but wonder if the clomid side-effects have finally kicked in. most of Paris shuts down in August (everyone goes away for the month), so i am having a hard time finding a place to get an u/s to check my follicles. our whole argument had to do with my freaking out about finding a clinic, and by the end of it DP was saying that she's tired of all this obsessing over temps and CM and ovulation and babies and that maybe we should just give up because we're both probably too old for it to work. phew.... in the end she told me she's just having a hard time readjusting to being back at a job she hates and in a city that feels a bit too busy after nearly a month of luscious Tuscan slowness. hopefully tomorrow will be a better day for both of us....
NOS: You had a "cloment!" I'm so sorry. I never had them the two times I was on Clomid but I've read about them from others. It takes two to tango so in no way does it mean it's all you but I think it's important to recognize the role hormones and meds play in this process. We have to cut each other a break, allowing for the fact that hormones and emotions can really mess things up. I hope you guys can hug and kiss tonight and feel better. Hang in there.

I have a question on timing. You would think that we would have this down by now, but when things don't work out how you expect, you tend to second guess, triple guess, and quadruple guess yourself. We have a vial of ICI we're doing at home and a vial of IUI to be done by our midwife. I got a positive OPK last night at 10, and we are going in for the IUI tomorrow at 8 a.m. The midwife suggested that we do the ICI tonight at 10, but I can't bring myself to wait a whole 24 hours to inseminate, especially since we're having such a 'late' IUI.
Does anyone have any thoughts on the timing issue? Is doing the ICI 18 hours after my positive OPK reasonable? Gaaaahhhh...
Thank you so much, and good luck to all!
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NAMW: Welcome back. Good to have you around. Timing is such a tricky issue. OPKs are supposed to show that you will ovulate between 12 and 24 hours after you get the positive but I still believe this is different for each person. As I mentioned to an earlier poster, for me it's more like 48 hours. If you did the IUI at 8 this morning and frozen sperm lives for 12 hours, then doing at IUI at 10 pm is probably a decent suggestion. Were you feeling like you needed to get "further ahead" of ovulation? What other signs are lining up at the moment? Cervical position? CM? If you can, don't put all your faith in the OPK. Look to other signs if you're exhibiting them to confirm your ovulation. The idea is to get ahead of the ovulation. I actually don't think you had a "late" IUI. I think your IUI was probably spot on for what you read on the OPK. But again, what are you other signs? Re-read Brill's book if you need inspiration on reading other signs and believing in them to help guide you. Best of luck!!

Hi everyone --- My wife and I got another BFN on Sunday, so I can be moved to the "waiting to O" list (well, *I* am not waiting to O - partner is, but ... you get it :) ). That makes 6 failed IUI cycles. We are certainly disappointed, but not really surprised because we felt that the insemination was a bit early this go-round. In the mean time, I have a question that I'd love to hear your thoughts on. We have a potential known donor, which is super exciting because up til now we've only used frozen goods and the prospect of increased odds with fresh goods and multiple inseminations per cycle has renewed our hopes. The donor does not currently have health insurance, so we'd of course pay for all STD/STI testing. This morning I've been on the phone with Planned Parenthood and a couple other clinics in the area and I have not yet spoken to anyone who even has heard of cytomeglavirus (CMV). I literally spelled it for one person I spoke to and explained what it is and why we're concerned about it. Granted these aren't doctors or nurses that I'm speaking to -- probably just administrative folks, but it concerns me. My wife is CMV negative and the fertility clinic has made it clear that it's essential that the donor also be CMV negative. I've read and understand the risks, which are serious, but am baffled that so few straight folks know about it, and if straight folks trying to conceive aren't concerned, how concerned should we be? What about you all? If you are/were CMV negative, would you rule out a positive donor? I'm going to see if we can just send our donor to the fertility clinic for the testing. I really want this donor to work out and I hope this CMV thing doesn't ruin it! I'd love to hear your opinions!
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James
James: I remember we had a discussion about this awhile back. CMV status is a tough one because although we're all born CMV neg, many people will develop the antibody over time and become pos. And the infection could have happened many years prior but they don't find out they're CMV pos until much later so even if your donor tested positive, it could be an old infection. The reason the fertility clinic is recommending CMV neg is because there is a very small possibility that if your donor is CMV pos, it could transfer to the baby in utereo, but the chances are really slim and are extra slim since your wife is CMV neg. You guys would really have to decide whether you want to risk that or not. Many clinics won't take sperm from a CMV pos donor but I'm sad to hear you're running into dumb straight people who don't seem to know if it even gets tested for. 
Did you ask the fertility clinic if they have any recommendations of places that would test for CMV status? Unless it's an HMO that has their own lab, most will have labs they contract with and could recommend. You'd have to pay out of pocket, but you'd get it done. Another thought is asking a sperm bank (if there is one nearby) who they contract with to test
I hope that helps. Let us know what you discover.
Want2bePapa, Sorry for the continued BFNs! I'm right there with you. The reason straight people aren't concerned about CMV is that if you're having sex with someone, you would have already been exposed to their CMV positive sperm. The big CMV concern is first exposure happening during a pregnancy, so for folks who are trying to get pregnant with their partner's sperm, they don't worry about it (straight people using donor sperm are usually still concerned).
We are using a known donor, and while we did have him tested for STIs, we skipped the CMV testing (and several of the others that Brill mentioned). He had come up positive for an STI a couple months before we started trying, and that gave me mixed feelings: it obviously felt scary because it made the whole thing real, but it also made me trust him even more because he didn't have to tell us that, and I wouldn't have had any way of knowing. Anyway, I think it's a big old can o' worms. What we finally decided was that making a baby with him needed such a high level of trust, that this was just a part of it. For us, the new issue is that we have been trying for 5 months now, and his boyfriend is moving away in September... it kind of feels crazy that me, a gold star lesbian, is now in this higher-risk sex population. We never did discuss what would happen if six months went by, like when we would test him again, what happens when his boyfriend leaves, etc...
Handerson, let us now how it all goes! I've been curious about those fresh sperm shipping options. Our donor is local, but we do have a couple other non-local options (if it didn't work out, or we had a second, etc) and I've wondered about that.
PrettyIsa, so hopeful that you see your BFP soon!! A picture of a book would have cracked me up. :) Sending positive thoughts your way!!
DesertSunsets, I love your fertility figure! We have alittle fertility shrine that has kind of come together. It has a gold-covered chocolate Sheilagh Na Gig (that a client gave me as a gift), a couple other baby or birth related icons that a friend gave us, and a mother's day card DP gave me this year. :) Funny story: DP was cleaning our room, and the little altar was blocked by our big fan. SHe moved the fan to clean behind it and found that every one of the items had fallen face-down! That can't be a good sign, right? lol. So, they're all turned face up now, and maybe that's the luck we need.
SmilingSara, hope Mr. August does the trick! Gotta love the hand-me-downs :)
Nosreves, your trip sounds wonderful! DP and I went to Italy last year for our honeymoon, and had an amazing adventure! We were so focused on wedding planning that we didn't do much in the way of honeymoon planning. That led to lots of laughs, the biggest of which was me trying to drive up a hill in Tuscany in a standard car, thinking I knew how to drive stick. Picture me rolling down the hill over and over, eventually almost rolling into the vineyard, and having three Englishmen have to come to our rescue! It still is one of our best travel stories! Are you and your DP in Paris itself? I have lots of family there (mostly in the suburbs) and have spent lots of time there over the years. DP and I started our honeymoon there and then took the night train to Venice-- also a hilarious adventure. I'm so looking forward to taking her to France again, and just spending time there... maybe for our 5th anniversary. Hope the day got better for you and DP! :)
Carmen, glad you seem to be having a normal cycle and good luck with your window! :)
Jennp85, exciting! Is this your first cycle trying??
Cananny, glad you and DP have gotten to a point where you're going to keep trying for now. I know it such a rollercoaster. I keep saying that if I knew when it was going to happen (even if it was a year or two down the line) and I could stop trying until then, it would be so different than this monthly rollercoaster...
NAMW, Are you temping? I think the temps can offer some guidance. If you get a positive OPK and then take a few days to see the temp-rise, one of the reasons is that you might be ovulating on the later end of the window. If you have a temp rise pretty close to OPK, then I think it's more likely that you're ovulating on the earlier side. Also (theoretically) the older you are the closer to positive OPK your ovulation will be. Does that help at all? Good luck!!
AFU, I'm home nursing a summer cold (hence the time for personals)! We'll be insemming later this week. Last month my positive OPK was on day 12 and I only had a 26 day cycle; today is day 13 and no sign of it yet so maybe it will be a more normal cycle. I see my naturopath for a check-in and some acupuncture today, then the new acupuncturist again next week. Things are calming down in my work life (only 3 people due between now and my September vacation) and randomly I have nobody due in October, and only a couple due in November! So I have a slower time coming up, which isn't great for the bank account but I think will do wonders for my ability to do some self-care.
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Want2bePapa: big hugs!
this month is going to be it for you guys!
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Nosreves: Thank you! I'm trying not to get my hopes up about the KD, but it would be really nice to have the option since we can only afford this one IUI until next year. About the arguing: I really empathize.
There has been more than one misunderstanding-which-ended-in-sobbing event in our house this year; TTC is so much more stressful than I thought it would be!
Desert: I think I really life your wife! What a wonderful idea for the TWW---I think I might steal it!
As for my CP, don't worry---it's not offensive/invasive at all! I have chronic pain in both legs, arthritis in my hips, epilepsy, and a math-related learning disability (from the brain damage that also caused the CP...and because the CP makes me "hyper-reflexive," I can't drive a car. When I put it like that it seems hard to manage but but overall my condition is mild and I'm able to work full-time as a nanny with no problem. CP doesn't affect fertility at all, which is lucky. (It will affect my pregnancy, but only in that I might be more tired and have to be more careful about my balance, which is iffy on a good day!) Just out of curiosity, how old is your nephew?
Cananny: Fingers crossed for your insem! ![]()
Sara: I know, I can't decide if September's coming too slowly or too quickly! I'm trying to be relaxed about it (which, admittedly, is hard to do when you have to POAS multiple times a day to try to pinpoint your O.
) Happy early birthday to you---I hope your weekend is fabulous!
Carmen: That's what we're hoping, and I think the prospect of having a backup plan will help me relax about the IUI a bit, which can only help, right? It's so good to hear you're feeling optimistic; here's hoping the next few months are full of wonderful things!
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Thank you for the advice re: my questions from the other day. And Carmen, I will gladly share my charts! ...How do I do that? 
to all the new folks! Glad to have you here - hope your stays are short and sweet!
Isa - sorry I texted you so early this morning - I was going to do it at 6:45 but was able to wait until 7:15 - now it's 3:00 and you're at the doc's office...(can you tell I'm a little excited for you?!) Can't wait to hear your news!
Randomly ran into jennp85 at the park today with our respective nanny kids - that was awesome and unexpected! Hi again Jenn!
Hi to everyone else too! Had a doctor's appointment yesterday that went really well! She's running some labs - I'll report back when I have any info!
to all!
We were thinking this month BUT her cycle is off so we may just do some timing and try next month.. I will keep you all posted tho and let you know what we decide..
I have a question... My DP has never been with a guy before. IDK how many of the lesbians here have. My question is will it be harder for her to get pregnant... Since she was little her periods have always come on time usually and are always 7 days and she is healthy.. I was just thinking about it and wanted to see what you all have to say...
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WOW what a busy day over here today I can't keep up! Hopeful I can find some time tonight to do a thorough read and do some personals.
Today is 6 DPO for us - no symptoms yet, but I'm sure I will be reading into something soon :). Getting progesterone test tomorrow morning and embarking on the second half of the TWW. I find the first week much easier to deal with and go a little squirrely in the second week.

I have a question... My DP has never been with a guy before. IDK how many of the lesbians here have. My question is will it be harder for her to get pregnant... Since she was little her periods have always come on time usually and are always 7 days and she is healthy.. I was just thinking about it and wanted to see what you all have to say...
I can't remember if it was on a Mothering board or another board, but there was a discussion about women having a harder labor if they've never had straight sex before. I don't know that there is any studies showing that it is more difficult to get pregnant if you've never been exposed to sperm. But I can't say that's "top of the list" for researchers to be looking at...But if you think of the way biology and conception works, there's really no indication that says that could be true. Think of how many teenagers get pregnant on the "first try." Besides, you're much more likely not to get pregnant because of all the things that have to align properly to make it work -- more so than your exposure to sperm over your lifetime.
Is your wife more butch? I can't remember if you guys have gotten any testing done on her or if you're just trying at home first without any evalutions. When I hear women say that their periods come on time and they are healthy, it makes me wonder a little. We are all made to think that if you get your period every month, you're "normal" but I do and I'm not exactly normal. I have things that could be preventing me from getting pregnant or carrying my babies to term. Did you know that lesbians are more likely to have PCOS and in many cases, butch lesbians are more likely? That's because they tend to carry unusually high levels of testosterone which is one of the key indicators of polycystic ovarian syndrome. Has she been checked for that? Usually someone who has it has difficulty ovulating but I'm on medication for it and I ovulate regularly.
I just ask these questions and give examples because conception isn't just about your periods being "normal." I just expend this never-ending bits of information because I really, really don't want to see others going through the process I have if some of it could be avoided through education. Even if I don't have a child, I hope I was a good guinea pig for other lesbians so that they can learn from me and not be me! :-)
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just wanted to say thanks everyone for all the kind words and general supportiveness. and krista, your "cloment" comment made me laugh out loud, something that was much needed and much appreciated. i actually think there's a bit of "clomentum" building at the moment, as i've been weepy again today. luckily, DP is a more even-tempered, and she even apologized for yesterday and said she didn't really mean what she said. DP called something like 5 places today to try to schedule an ultrasound, and 3 of them are closed until Sept. (when the masses all stampede back into the city for the beginning of the school year.) now i have an appointment at the same place that told me i had a cyst last time. a "cyst" that krista said was probably just a normal follicle (something my gyn later confirmed.) so it looks like i'll be in the hands of incompetents again... thank jah that i have this forum and our resident experts to help sort through the bs! you gals kick ass 
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Thank you everyone for such a warm welcome! Things are moving right along with this cycle. We go back tomorrow for u/s and bloodwork and IUI should happen by the weekend we're excited.... then we can begin our monthly obsession and over-analysis of every twinge....woohoo...game on! Also thanks for the suggestions I checked out Xytex and there are two AA donors available...slim pickins but pickins nonetheless! So far, we've done only single IUIs in the doctor's office so we literally are giving it one shot per month (pun intended:) ) Does anyone here do back to back IUIs or also do an ICI at home w frozen swimmers for better "coverage" of O? We are toying with the idea. We've also talked about the possibility of finding a midwife to do the IUI at home. Is this possible? I don't know if midwives perform these....Thanks in advance for the advice.
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Selsevin, Henderson, and all the other new members to the board. I really hope that your stay is short and sweet!
Selsevin~ my DW and I are also an interracial couple...I will be carrying though so we are using Polish/Italian donors. Good luck finding AA donors!
Isa~ any news....any thing?!? Sending positive baby vibes your way...![]()
Jenn~ You moving? I missed that somewhere...maybe? When? Are you ttc this month or will you try after you move?
MrsPP~ Hi...welcome back! Are you inseming this month? Glad that everyone seems to be coming back from taking the summer months off.
SmilingSara~ Sorry about the job. Is there a school picture company some where around where you live? or would you be interested in working at a Sears Portrait Studio or an Olan Mills? Good luck with the job search.
I know that I am missing lots of folks...sorry...I'll try to do better with posting...
AFM~ It is sooo busy here....Yeah! I have been lurking this last month...I had surgery on July 22 to have polyps removed...and then waiting to finish my BCP's so that we could start our first IVF cycle. I am scheduled to go in on Friday 8/5/2011 for my bloodwork and u/s...then starting my injectable stims...then egg retrieval, transfer, tww, and BFP! that sounds about right! ![]()
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jenny: September is coming and thats a great thing! Trying to relax is all we can do! I know I may seem it, but inside I'm a nut during my twws! I'm sure Sara can attest for that! Thanks for the birthday wishes!
Gelly! your plan for the up coming month sounds perfect! I wish there was someplace closer that I can work doing portraits. There's not so much around here so I'm fairly limited. Thats why I went up to columbus for work (its the closest major city). I know I'll find something and it'll be great, it just takes time!
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Desert—I have decided to attempt to embrace! I am not sure how it is going to go…but I will try. I think our IUI plan is to just get it into the cervix! We haven’t gone that far yet…but I can’t imagine trying to go much further through it. Scary! (I worry a lot…). Hope it all worked out for you! I love the Dreamer! What kind of stone is that? I collect many gemstones and beach stones. You should make that your profile pic!

Jenny—The KD sounds quite promising if it doesn’t go the way it should this month. Yea for options! (Even if they aren’t planned….)
Handerson—Yea! Read it! Many times! Such a good book with such great answers!
Sara—Happy Birthday Week! I saw that Sampson is Mr. August…good luck!! If you did decide to go with Conrad I was going to tell you that 1 vial would make me nervous as well. BUT…all it takes is
one, right? (I keep telling myself that…). I so hope this works out for you!
Krista—Yea for the donor that is still on board! (Especially if you think he is the one that got you pregnant).
Nosreves—Sorry about the argument. I think even without drugs it is difficult to not fight while TTC…it is just so incredibly stressful. Hang in there!!
Carmen—Isn’t temping exhausting??? I just started doing it again after a bit of a break…it is difficult to back into the habit—even if it hasn’t been that long.
Jenn—Good luck! I am day 13 so we are quite close!
Ad astra—Yea for 6dpo! Wish I was at that point…
Cananny—Nice to see you still around! (Well…it would be nicer if you had graduated…but it is still nice to see you…
)Namw—I am CONSTANTLY second guessing myself..but since I know I always get a positive OPK on day 14 and tend to ovulate (according to my temp) on day 16, I just insem when I can in between those two days (normally day 15 and day 16). I hate to say it, but it really depends on your own cycle. Do you temp?
Want2be—Sorry about the BFN…I really, really hate that feeling.

Midwife—Good luck later this week!
MrsPP—HI!!!

Selsevin—Welcome!! I wish I knew more about doctors in PA…but I don’t. However, I know that there are doctors all over the country that will go to houses to do insems. I don’t have that option since I live on an island (we can’t even go to an office for it…)…so we just do ICIs or IUIs at home.
Gelly—Good luck!!
AFM—Cycle day 13…Still waiting for a positive OPK…CM getting better…Mr. July is here!! (with a 48mio…not as good as what I got pregnant from but definitely not bad) Nothing else to report. The dreaded day (tomorrow) doesn’t seem so bad to me today…staying hopeful for the upcoming insems. Anyone watch the ‘Real L Word’? Just think it is interesting that they have a couple trying to get pregnant…I don’t have TV but try to keep up with some of episodes online...
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