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post #21 of 57
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Originally Posted by Chronic Chrissy View Post

I'm really just looking at other people's perspectives an opinions on this.

post #22 of 57
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You mean spayed? lol
No we are not spaying her, she was bought for a pet, but chosen for her breed and to be bred. But that's a conversation for another topic and don't want this to be hijacked away from the original topic.
As for t he walks already covered, not only do we live in the country, but also walk daily, and have trips to the beach at the end of the block, lots of fresh air, excercise, and a natural balanced healthy dog life.

 

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If you want to make her life better, get her neutered and take her for lots of walks. A dog doesn't need a wet nurse.



 

post #23 of 57
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Perspectives and opinions take thought, not impulse responses
 

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Your words...
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Originally Posted by Chronic Chrissy View Post

I'm really just looking at other people's perspectives an opinions on this.



 

post #24 of 57

 

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Perspectives and opinions take thought, not impulse responses
 

 

I have thought about this all morning and stand by my initial reaction. Completely inappropriate and I have to assume this is some kind of joke like the blog about giving birth in the koi pond and having the koi fish push the baby out of the water.

post #25 of 57

DARN.  Sorry I missed that one. 

 

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  I have to assume this is some kind of joke like the blog about giving birth in the koi pond and having the koi fish push the baby out of the water.



 

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Not a joke at all, completely dead serious. There are tons of examples of animals wetnursing off of other species and thriving, no it may not be the ideal match and could cause deficiencies if it is the exclusive sorce, but it does work in other cases and the babies usually grow on to thrive once eating themselves and you could never notice the difference later in life. I know that  my milk may not be the perfect match for rabbit kits but when you consider that most handraised kits perish, and they drink so little it is costly and wasteful to buy the kitten replacement formula from the vets, especially since it is so few and far between I have to handraise one. I've raised kits to weaning on my milk with an eyedropper and later a dish, and they thrived into wonderful meat rabbits. t is very rare on formula for them to ever survive, yet with my milk things seem to work better and the kits that do perish survive longer with less pooping problems.  It's not worth the cost of 4 full grown rabbits to tray and save 4 that will probably die and make you have to throw the extra formula out anyways, and isn't fair to my livestock that could use money reinvested into providing them with better care and feed when I have a alternative that seems to work better free and available
 

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I have thought about this all morning and stand by my initial reaction. Completely inappropriate and I have to assume this is some kind of joke like the blog about giving birth in the koi pond and having the koi fish push the baby out of the water.



 

post #27 of 57
You really need to go find the blog about the koi pond. Its hilarious.



Right, am I the only one who is assuming that this whole thread is meant for entertainment? The idea is absurd and seems like it was put on the boards just to start an argument. I dont understand why the idea of cow milk not being enough for a dog is any different than goat milk not being enough for a human. Humans should not be supplemented with ONLY goat milk, just as dogs should not be supplemented with ONLY human milk.

The thing that really weirds me out about this, is the idea of actually nursing the puppy. Pumping and bottle feeding I could understand a little more, but I really do think there are some physiological issues at hand when one wants to nurse an animal that isnt our own species. My cat latched on my once and it was the most creepy crawly feeling ever. Havent slept shirtless since.
post #28 of 57

If this isn't a joke, you are not fit to be caring for dogs, much less being a breeder.

post #29 of 57

Why don't you p[ost about this in pets?  I would think the pups would have a hard time latching on a human breast.  I vote no.  Sorry. 

post #30 of 57

I think that it is admirable that you would feel such compassion for your mama dog. But, it does seem un-natural to me to nurse a puppy "from the tap". Nutritional needs aside, I would be concerned about the impact that nursing another animal's babies at your breast would have on their sense of their place in the world and who to bond with. 

post #31 of 57

This is so disturbing to me, and I sincerely hope that it is a joke. In any case: WHAT ABOUT THE TEETH!?!?! Holy crap puppy teeth are sharp! You shouldn't be cross-species nursing anyway...but OMG the teeth!!

post #32 of 57

Why would you think human milk is better for dogs than cow's milk, anyway? Not that you should give cow's milk when there is nutritionally appropriate puppy formula, but human breastmilk isn't made of magic. 

post #33 of 57
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WHAT ABOUT THE TEETH!?!?! Holy crap puppy teeth are sharp! You shouldn't be cross-species nursing anyway...but OMG the teeth!!


I know right! bigeyes.gif There are no words for the horror that puppy teeth on human nipples would be.

 

post #34 of 57
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Why would you think human milk is better for dogs than cow's milk, anyway? Not that you should give cow's milk when there is nutritionally appropriate puppy formula, but human breastmilk isn't made of magic. 

exactly.  

and i agree that it's the fact that you are talking about LATCHING the puppy that makes this whole thing disgustingly creepy.  I still maintain you must be kidding.
 

 

post #35 of 57


Are you KIDDING?  There are sparkles in it! 
 

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 but human breastmilk isn't made of magic. 



 Just kidding. 

 

What I dont understand is the profound felt need to help the mother out while shes doing............exactly what nature intended her to do.  Are you sitting there watching her nurse the puppies all day? If so, is it that painful to watch her struggle? (if shes even struggling)  because quite honestly, I would expect the scenerio described about moving pupps around and having to start ALLLLL over is pretty much just par for the course when you have litters of puppies and 8 nipples to go around. shrug.gif

post #36 of 57

This might be the strangest post I have ever read.  You latch the dogs on to YOUR OWN NIPPLES?  (Holy fricken puppy teeth.)  Instead of using a bottle or something?  So, that would be the equivalent of a formula fed child latching on to a cow udder to get it straight from the tap (which you wouldn't do...you wouldn't even feed raw cow's milk to a newborn human even if you couldn't breastfeed.  Why?  Because it would starve your child to death.)?  

 

I'm sorry mama...I'm sure you had good intentions, but for reals, I would not be putting a puppy on my own nipple.  And mammal milks are not interchangable without some scientific intervention.  The same as you wouldn't give a newborn human straight up cow's milk.

post #37 of 57

If you are breeding dogs and then nursing them from your own breasts, I really hope someone calls animal control. :(  That's bordering on animal abuse, plain and simple.  That's a good way to confuse the heck out of your dog, and kill the puppies (due to not receiving proper nutrition) .   Just as humans babies are made to nurse human mothers, puppies are made to nurse dogs.  Human milk for human babies, and let mama dog do her job.  If she's popping out litters too big to care for, it's time to stop breeding her and let her properly care for her young.  A healthy dog life is not sucking on a human's nipple.
 

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Originally Posted by Chronic Chrissy View Post

You mean spayed? lol
No we are not spaying her, she was bought for a pet, but chosen for her breed and to be bred. But that's a conversation for another topic and don't want this to be hijacked away from the original topic.
As for t he walks already covered, not only do we live in the country, but also walk daily, and have trips to the beach at the end of the block, lots of fresh air, excercise, and a natural balanced healthy dog life.

 



 



 

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Originally Posted by prescottchels View Post

Wow! Why not? I've never heard of anything like that, but I'd think as long as the pups were rotated between you and their mama so that all of them get puppy mama milk it's gotta be better than the formula...right??

I'm interested to hear if anyone else comes up with BTDT stories.


Oh wow...because forumula is too evil for dogs too? 
 

 

post #39 of 57
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Oh wow...because forumula is too evil for dogs too? 
 

 



No - human milk is best for human babies.  Canine milk is best for puppies.  Formula is a second choice if species specific milk is not available.  Anyhow,  I don't get why the op is even considering this - are the puppies failing to thrive or something?

post #40 of 57
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Originally Posted by Chronic Chrissy View Post

Lol as for the consulting a vet I live in a small town area and know that any vet around here will sell what they have, and make sure you buy it and not an alternative, and pull the "you want to kill your pet by trying something different that is your choice" just like doctors hold our babies life hostage to push interventions. Not to mention I doubt the few female vets we have around nursed their kids, or could even get past the shock of what I presented and give it any consideration before shutting the whole idea right down. Look at the response here. And why would I want to waste their time with something I'm just thinking about and exploring and probably never going to do?


Ok I couldn't avoid responding to this. I am a veterinarian, I graduated from the Ohio State university in 2009. I have a 6 month old still EBF son and have donated 300 oz so far of my own pumped breast milk to a mama on HM4HB.

 I will leave the comment about pushing formula because they are trying to sell you something because it's true - many vets are as bad as doctors on that, and I hate it.

All that said - the main point here is that  the milk of no species is a perfect or even good substitute for the newborns of any other species. Aside from the fat and protein content difference, which was pointed out earlier, the electrolyte-fluid imbalance is different. These things all contribute to lack of proper nutrient balance as well as inability to digest properly (diarrhea, constipation). While I agree that formula is not ideal, the cows milk base is supplemented in the appropriate ways to make it as balanced for puppies as is artificially possible.

 

It is not recommended to give plain goat milk (or any other milk) to a human baby as primary nutrition.

So, formula is definitely the best alternative available. But I don't believe that you have given a reason to need an alternative at this point. If you leave the pups and mom alone and let them nurse naturally, it is highly likely that your bitch will have plenty of milk and the puppies will all thrive. Intervention in birth and the neonatal process is in dogs as in humans - best not performed in almost all cases.  Nature knows what it is doing. If there is a puppy that is struggling it is because there is some other underlying problem making it weaker than the others and as a breeder honestly you should not want to perpetuate that, and that puppy should not be sold for the same price as the others as it will likely have ongoing health problems.  
 

 

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