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post #21 of 148

Thanks JMJ and physics girl!  I'll be sure to share the info with my friend.  From what she's told me she is displaying a lot of the symptoms so definitely something to keep an eye on.  That's one of the things I love about charting.  Really puts you a lot more in tune with your body.

 

Take care!

post #22 of 148

i dont think i o'ed yet. i think i am gearing up to though. i am all over dh lately. he is afraid lol and might be trying to hide from me haha. i havent felt like this since before DD1 was conceived. i dont believe ff right now. i am sure i have been anovulatory up until now. i used to have mittlesmertz. or however you spell it. but that was when i was 16 before i started bc. but there was that time i quit taking it and i had it again. i wonder if that will happen this time. it is so frustrating waiting for everything to go back to predictableness. lol. now how to talk DH into having some non baby making fun..... :)

post #23 of 148

physics girl, to technically follow the rules, you would have had to wait until CD 25.  You would have had to restart your 3 day count after the missing temp on CD 19 and after the low temp on CD 22.  That said, I would have no problem with calling you infertile on CD 21.  You had 4 (non-consecutive) days of clear temperature rise crosschecked by 4 days of post-peak dry-up.  As long as nobody would die if you got pregnant (and really not much less serious reasons than that), I would say you would have been fine there.

 

WifeofAnt, lower thyroid function is a cause of lower pre-o temps, and higher thyroid function is a cause of higher thyroid function.  I'm not sure why the arbitrary 97.2 number, but that is what is published in TAONFP.  There are other causes of lower or higher pre-O temps, so I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that you have low thyroid function if your weight and energy levels are normal, you had no difficulty getting pregnant, and you have a full milk supply.  All the same, I think a lot of us could handle eating more sea vegetables.

post #24 of 148

Welcome new people!

 

also wondering where the 97.2 comes from.

 

My pre-O temps are always 96.5-96.9 and around 97.4-97.8 post-O. I have slightly long cycles (about 32/33 days) but ovulate around 17 or 18 every month and AF arrives like clockwork. Just had my thyroid tested and it was perfect. And my cycles have been this way since I was 18 years old (I'm 31 now). It may indicate something for Ovaova's friend but doesn't mean much for me.

 

Actually, my 97.2 this morning was the first sign I had that I was sick because I won't O for another 6 days, most likely. Turns out I ended up experiencing almost every single side effect of my medicine (which included a fever and chills and maxed out my basal thermometer when I came home sick from work. can't find my fever thermometer).

post #25 of 148

physicsgirl,

 

I'd agree with JMJ on CD21 being safe. I'm fairly conservative and I'd go for it then!

 

post #26 of 148

Lionessmom, I don't think you have ovulated yet either.  That pre-O time can be exciting as your fertility is returning postpartum.

post #27 of 148


 

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Originally Posted by JMJ View Post

WifeofAnt, lower thyroid function is a cause of lower pre-o temps, and higher thyroid function is a cause of higher thyroid function.  I'm not sure why the arbitrary 97.2 number, but that is what is published in TAONFP.  There are other causes of lower or higher pre-O temps, so I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that you have low thyroid function if your weight and energy levels are normal, you had no difficulty getting pregnant, and you have a full milk supply.  All the same, I think a lot of us could handle eating more sea vegetables.



Oh I've got a full milk supply alright.  And I've never had weight problems.  I'm a little on the tired side but I think its anemia or just plain laziness. shy.gif

 

And today is high/soft/open and EWCM.  We were only less than careful just two days ago... whoops.  I guess its too late now.

post #28 of 148

WifeofAnt, I wouldn't worry too much.  2 days ago was a dry day for you.  Before you really do manage to O for the first time postpartum, it's likely that you'll have a lot of days of mucus in a row, enough that you wouldn't get pregnant from DTD the day before it starts.  TAONFP teaches a mucus patch rule that if you only have 1 or 2 days of CM in a row, you only have to wait until the second dry day, but if you have 3 or more days of CM, you have to wait for P+4.  By that rule, you would have been safe on the evening of "CD 39," so the only thing you did to break rules was to not wait until the evening, it appears.  Still, very unlikely to get pregnant from it.

post #29 of 148

I just plopped this in to cycle pro for you to see what it would do as I find it interesting to compare the different methods. Similarly to TCOYF, like JMJ said, you have to restart the count after the missed temperature but with CCL rules, it is okay that your third temperature is low as long as the 4th temperature comes back up again which it did on cd23 and there has been cm dry up.  So, in cycle pro cd23 was the first day of the third phase.  CCL does not actually use a coverline but instead a lower and upper threshold which I sometimes find easier to visualize with rising temperatures and situations where it is not as clear.  Just in case you are interested, in your case the lower threshold was 97.8 since that was the highest temperature in the pre-shift 6.  The upper threshold would be 98.2 since that is .4 degrees above the lower threshold.  That is the temperature that has to be reached on the third high temperature, if it doesn't a fourth temperature is needed that is above the lower threshold. 

 

ETA:  I agree with the others, that likely you would be safe on cd21 despite the different methods and rules.  You did by that point have 4 higher temperatures and drying up so that sounds pretty safe to me.  It just depends on your comfort level.
 

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Welcome Buterflymomma and OvaOva!

 

I'm on CD 1, and I'm wondering when, if at all, the more experienced charters would have considered me safe last cycle. It looks to me like I'd have to either shave CD 15 0.1 degrees or consider the rules for a possible slow rise pattern, complicated by the missing temp from when I stayed up all night packing and cleaning. Thoughts?



 

post #30 of 148
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WifeofAnt, I wouldn't worry too much.  2 days ago was a dry day for you.



I don't know for sure that it was dry although it was the day before.  I didn't get a chance to check before DTD and I didn't know how to record a question mark so I just didn't check.  I should just get in the habit of doing it when I get out of bed in the morning.  It would get rid of all those blank spots in my chart.

post #31 of 148
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Lionessmom, I don't think you have ovulated yet either.  That pre-O time can be exciting as your fertility is returning postpartum.



i dont mind thhat part lol. up until now my desire was seriously lacking and that can put a strain on things sometimes.

 

i had another higher temp today. This suspense is killing me. lol.

 

post #32 of 148

Lioness, it is nice when the desire returns isn't it.  I seem to remember there being none until I got closer to my cycles returning.  LOL, about the suspense killing you.  It does feel like that sometimes. 

 

For me, I had a 2nd high temperature today, so we will see what tomorrow brings, with any luck we will see a full thermal shift. 

 

 

post #33 of 148

Hi! Can you please change my chart to my uploaded one? That one is more accurate then the online. Thanks so much!

 

http://www.tcoyf.com/forum/chart.asp?id=buterflymomma

post #34 of 148

My temp dropped so it looks like I didn't ovulate for sure.  Whew!!

post #35 of 148
Thread Starter 

Thanks, JMJ, Librarygirl, and Jodi5.

post #36 of 148

i can not get tcoyf to work for me. it takes forever and wont save anything. it is frustrating.

 

i dont know what is going on and i give up. told DH to buy condoms bc i am too afraid to rely on the pessary even though it worked before. he said yes so yay. the other option was not getting any. lol. i also cant realiably say that when i saw ewcm that it really was. i looked in the shower and i rinsed it away quick. plus my pessary was hurting me. i had never had that happen before but it felt like it was bruising up my insides. my guts hurt. it was wierd. took it out and now i feel fine.

 

so now a question about condoms. usually they give me the itchies. does anybody else get that? do you think it could be the latex or the spermicidal lube? what kind do you recc?

post #37 of 148

Jennifer, are you using the software or the online TCOYF.  I have the software so I use that.  There is an option to upload your charts to the website from within the software so that is what I do.  It looks like this:

 

http://www.tcoyf.com/members/mcrmama/pccharts/default.aspx

 

 

 

post #38 of 148

no i was just using the online. but i also use ff, i just like getting the 2nd opinion. i dont know what to think of this chart. i did drink a little last night and forgot to turn on the fan but last time i did that i did not spike like this. i am about ready to take a test. it would be just my luck to get pregnant right away. arrrgh.

 

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post #39 of 148

Please help. I am so confused about my chart. TCOYF has put me in my infertile phase without pinpointing ovulation. I have been taking OPKs everyday since CD12 and they have all been negative. The past two days my temps have been higher, but it has been a bit chilly at night, so I have been sleeping with my comforter on. I have woken up warm and a bit sweaty the past two days, so I am wondering if the blanket raised my body temp and they are not accurate?  Also, I have had a return of creamy CM and my CP is very high again. Yesterday is was so high I couldn't even touch it. I am thinking this may just be an anovulatory cycle this month while my body adjusts from stopping the Hormonal BC. Thanks for any help!

 

BTW thank you for this thread. Everyone is so helpful here! I love it.

post #40 of 148

I'm a bit confused this morning as well.  I had my 4th high temperature in a row.  Lady comp and Marquette both give us the all clear but Cyclepro just won't do it, lol.  I think we are good but wanted to make sure.  Cycle pro won't give us the clear since my temperature today was below 97.8.  I re-read the rule and I think we look good.  The rule is as follows:

 

Phase III begins on the evening of :

 

1)  The third day of drying-up after Peak Day, combined with

2)  Three normal post-peak temperatures in a rising pattern above the LTL

AND  The third temperature at or above the HTL

OR The cervix closed and hard for three days

 

So, I thought I would be fine since this is the 4th high temoperature day today but I think because iti is correspondonding with P+3, it is treating the temp like it is the 3rd.  I also had cervix marked as hard and closed for 3 days but that doesn't count.  likely for the same reason.  I just noticed if I mark it that way for today it will change us to the infertile phase today.  I just hesitate since the first day marked hard, it was more medium I think, hard on one side rather than hard all around.  Mine tends to do that.  For CM, the day it is using as peak day, really I had dried up for a couple of days already and then had one instance that day where I got a little creamy and then it disappeared not to be seen again.  I don't think it was really a peak day but since it had a bit of a slippery feel to it, it considers it peak.

 

What do you all think.  Really, I'll probably just wait for tomorrow now that we are this far, but kind of feel like we may be wasting time, lol.  My peak reading on the monitor was 6 days ago already.  My temp rise just took longer this cycle to happen.  My temps tend not to stay high at the level of .4 above for long as then they start a slow decline towards AF.  I do also tend to get a little dip around now.  Funny thing is the temp won't matter tomorrow as long as it is 97.5 or above.

 

Jodi

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