Originally Posted by Super~Single~Mama
Really? It must be that b/c you are a non-vaxer you don't see certain things as being offensive. Like, telling someone that vaxes are full of toxins and poison and shouldn't be given to people (which I would think is pretty obviously offensive, as it would actually offend me).
You know, I'm about as pro-vax as they come around here, and I don't find that example to be offensive. I do think the "sheeple" thing is offensive; I think it is offensive when non-vaxers say that vaxers are uneducated or unintelligent. I am pretty secure in that regard, but I still dislike reading insults. I will say, though, that the mods have been great about removing those posts/threads whenever I've reported them.
But I think it is totally fine for people to have differing ideas about the safety and efficacy of vaccines. If someone thinks that vaccines contain toxins that should not be given to humans, that's fine with me. It could even be true. I don't think it is, but that doesn't mean that it's impossible. It does bother me when people make these claims and then can't or won't support them, or provide sources supporting them, but if they are willing to explain their reasoning then I am willing to read it.
Hey, I thought of something else that bugs me! The straw-man arguments are really super annoying, on both sides of the issue. I think someone mentioned earlier in this thread that they'd been told that they were putting the whole world in danger by not vaxing. If so, I think we can agree that that's clearly a straw-man argument. They might be putting someone at danger, but even so it's a fairly limited danger so long as vaccination rates remain high in general and herd immunity remains in effect. (Sorry, Kathy, I'm not bringing that up to be spiteful; it's just necessary to make my point.) Likewise, I've seen anti-vax folks claim that the pro-vax people believe that vaccines are totally harmless. But I think we can all agree that vaccines do have some risks. So proving that vaccines aren't completely harmless is just knocking down a straw man. What is the point of engaging in that kind of argument, really?