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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

I am obsessed with my kids safety. Germophobe, fall-o-phobe, unhealthy-food-ophobe, you name it. It seems so natural, but I'm starting to realize my friends and I play off of each other in a never ended arms race to see who can be the best (i.e. the safest) parent. I think my kids are miserable and I'm trying to ease up. I'm looking for tips, maybe I need a shrink, or some meds, or some booze, or all three. My only release is reading about these ridiculous twin boys whose parents let them run 100% feral back in the 80s and 90s, I think they are called the Weathington Boys http://nathanweathington.com. Maybe I could do it, but I might need some tranquilizers.

 

Help!

post #2 of 19

One thing that works for me is to think of the worst-case scenario for any given activity, and what is likely to happen. For example: using a knife to chop veggies. My 9 year old likes to do this. Okay, he could chop off a finger (unlikely) While it would be a miserable thing to deal with, my grandpa is missing a few fingers and it never stopped him from doing anything. He could give himself a bad cut (an eventual certainty) I know how to deal with cuts, I can clean him up and bandage it, or take him for stitches if he needs them, and he'll definitely be a lot more careful next time. He could feel good about himself for being trusted with a responsibility (likely) and chose to eat more of the veggies that night,because he prepared them (very likely) He'll be learning a skill that he'll need as an adult. So yeah, I let him use a largish  knife... and sometimes that seems against my better judgement... but I rehash how to be safe each time, and make sure he's actually being careful.

 

Keeping them safe is only one aspect of being a parent... they have to grow up to be self-reliant adults, and in order for them to do that, they need to take some risks. What and when to allow them to try new things is going to vary kid by kid, but you know best... if you aren't sure about something try and break it down into a slightly easier task and see how they handle it. In the above example, when he started I'd cut a cucumber longways first, so it had a flat side & wouldn't roll around while he was cutting, then he could cut them totally on his own, then we did the same with carrots. I told him since carrots are harder he'd need to use more pressure, so it was extra important to make sure his fingers were out of the way... stuff like that. You can let them walk ahead a bit and practice crossing the street 'by them self' or let them walk into the bathroom alone, and go in 2 minutes later (or with a boy, go to the bathroom door and say loudly, so anyone in the mens room can hear "I'll be right here at the door!") There are ways to take baby steps.

 

The end result is a more capable person who, when the unexpected happens, like they get lost in the grocery store or something, they will handle themselves better because they've had some practice they can apply to the situation (they'll look around them, like when they cross the street, and know that you are nearby, like when they go to into the public bathroom, and they'll remember what you've told them about if they got separated from you and follow your instructions) Kids need to be able to deal with life.

post #3 of 19

what do you read?

 

do you watch/read the news? 

post #4 of 19

 

   It's easy for parenting to turn into something

like the UPS (United Parcel) wherein the job

seems to be to deliver an intact, unchipped

adult to the world on time. Of course safety

is part of a parent's job, but the creation of

the package itself is the major part I believe.

   Perhaps you could read, "Last Child in

the Woods" (Nature-Deficit Disorder) by

Richard Louv which debunks some of the

concepts many have about the risks faced

by children while at the same time arguing

the importance of letting children loose in

nature.

 

Not too many years ago, a child's experience was limited by how far he or she could ride a bicycle or by the physical boundaries that parents set. Today ... the real boundaries of a child's life are set more by the number of available cable channels and videotapes, by the simulated reality of videogames, by the number of megabytes of memory in the home computer. Now kids can go anywhere, as long as they stay inside the electronic bubble.

~ Richard Louv
 

post #5 of 19

I love this thread.  I too find myself in an internal battle between my anxieties and reality.  I feel like I could be allowing my children more freedom, but I have to really fight to make myself do so (I've become more and more anxious in a general sense over the past few years).  I truly see the value in not over-protecting my kids, and in letting them learn and discover independently, but it can be terrifying for me.  I'm hoping this thread will help me bolster my courage.

post #6 of 19

 

If peer pressure within your small group of friends is a problem and you want a wider perspective, read a few articles and sites that explore free range parenting. Helicopter parenting and bubble wrap children have been fodder for parenting articles and message boards for quite awhile now. You'll find a lot of critical commentary about the phenomenon. 

 
How old are your children? Tips and advice will differ depending on whether you have toddlers or adolescents. 
post #7 of 19

I don't really know what I can give you for tips, but I often have people say how laid back I am with my kids. I don't sweat the small stuff. Eating sand, ok! Most likely not gonna kill them. DS 1.5yrs tried to eat a carpenter ant, it bit him on the tongue, he cried, never tried to do it again. When DS or DD were learning to walk up and down stairs, I took them outside to our steps that have grass at the bottom and let them have at it. It was only 5 steps and if they fell, they cried, but there were no broken bones, no cracked skulls. DD likes to cut up food. As with the previous poster, I would take off the round side and let her give it a go after giving some safety pointers. As of yet, we have had no cuts and she likes doing it. As for germs, they go to daycare. I have to figure no matter how dirty my floors (or the ground outside for that matter) get, it will never be as germy as a place that has 50+ snotty nose kids! Eating food that fell on the floor, no problem!

 

I think it helps that I was raised in a liberal environment. I was free to wander the woods, streets, neighborhood all the time. I ate lunch with my dirty hands that had been *washed* in a pond after catching frogs, salamanders, snakes or turtles. I probably even shared it with the dog! So many things could have gone wrong, but they didn't. I'm ok and I'm healthy. In the end, what are the memories you want your kids to have? You making them wash their hands at the kitchen sink, with them looking out the window wishing they were outside riding their bikes? Or them riding their bike and having a scar/scratch to show off to their friends. (As an aside, we have a good ol'e time talking about the adventures that we had in our youth, scars we got and how we got them, when we sit round the campfire now...)

post #8 of 19
Thread Starter 

Thanks for your time. You have all really given this some thought. I actually printed this out. I have several concrete goals I will take from this. My sons are 4 and 2. I try not to watch too much news as I know that doesn't help, and the Internet only introduces us to freaks on the other side of the world within seconds. I will check out Last Child in the Woods tonight.

 

Thanks again.

post #9 of 19

I agree with everyone above. Yes, it is easy to get wrapped up in it. Yes, it is not for the best. Yes, it seems so natural based on all the crazy stuff we see in the news (not matter the source).

 

It does take a real effort. I was a hard core 'helicopter parent' before. I'm still obsessed, but not nearly as bad. I fine that white wine helps, red in the winter. I also will add your Weathington Boys to that list, I just read it, they're scrumptious.

 

Hang in there, remember, white wine (but not while driving :)

post #10 of 19

Could you take a short break from some of your friends who are more intense this way? It sounds like you have one or more people in your circle that you kind of feed off of. While you find your new sea legs of realizing that your will most likely live through -- well -- most stuff, it might help to steer clear of the mom(s) who always wants to up the ante. (Like a person new to AA stays away from their drinking buddies)

post #11 of 19
The good thing is that the peer pressure goes both ways. At one time in my neighborhood, everyone walked their kids to the bus stop and stood with them until the bus came,and then walked down to the bus stop in the afternoon and waited for the bus to come and walked home with them. People did this with their 12- and 13-year-olds. I decided it was ridiculous by the time mine was like 7. I couldn't figure out why she couldn't walk like three doors down to wait for the bus with other kids. So I started sending her by herself and having her walk home from the bus stop alone, and within a couple of months EVERYONE was sending their kids to the bus stop by themselves and letitng them walk home from the bus stop alone.
post #12 of 19
Thread Starter 

I have tried to avoid some of my more obsessed friends, but we have known each other our entire lives (and they live within 3 homes of me). However, I know of one who agrees with me, I will get her on my side, and I really like the idea of reverse peer pressure. When my kids at the bus stop and I'm drinking a latte, while they are in their housecoat on the street, maybe they'll think I'm on to something.

 

Thanks, keep'm coming,

post #13 of 19

Okay, maybe I've drank too much wine, and maybe I have a sick sense of humor. But I love your little boys with the smoke bomb. Especially:

 

"Compare this to today where my two sons are wearing white-boy sombreros with mud flaps in the back while having their entire bodies dipped in glue. We treat the poor boys like vampires, which contrary to People Magazine is not all it is cracked up to be."

 

MaryBR:

Do you know Nathan from www.nathanweathington.com?

post #14 of 19

Mary BR I was thinking about you this weekend! My parents had a small cookout at their summer house this weekend and like every weekend in the summer, we were there. The neighbors have 4 kids and with my two, the kids are always between one house and the other. I have never given it much thought until I did my normal "DD, where are you?" The rule is she has to answer immediatly if she can hear me. She didn't answer right away, so I figured she must have run over the neighbors house. As I walked over to the nieghbors side of the house to call again, my moms friend starts Freaking out. "Where is 'your DD'?! Where is 'your DD'?!, She's not in the house, is she in the water?!?!" As I calmly walked over the other side of the yard and yell through the woods "DD, where are you?" and recieve the returning answer. I have never given much thought to how other people would react if in this situation. I found it slightly amusing how upset this person got that I was calm. The after conversation was how my DD could have drown. Well, I know accidents happen but, you have to walk 30ft out in the water for it to get over her head and DD barely ever goes out more than 20ft without coaxing, I figured that wasn't the case. But this episode got me thinking about how unconcerned I must come off to other people. I let my children play/walk/run on the dock over the water. I figure, if they fall in I will just pluck them out. At most the water around the dock is 3 1/2 feet and crystal clear, so I have no concern that they will drown. We have often been playing in the water and they have stumbled and gone under, I just help them up and give them a hug, then they go back to playing.

 

I know people think I'm a little wierd. I know they thought I was crazy for having not one homebirth, but two! They think I'm odd that I was excited that my DD had chicken pox and sad my DS has not had it yet. Strange that I don't fret over the littlest things, but who cares?! My kids are happy, well adjusted and I'm not so stressed, so win-win eh?

post #15 of 19
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Mary BR I was thinking about you this weekend! My parents had a small cookout at their summer house this weekend and like every weekend in the summer, we were there. The neighbors have 4 kids and with my two, the kids are always between one house and the other. I have never given it much thought until I did my normal "DD, where are you?" The rule is she has to answer immediatly if she can hear me. She didn't answer right away, so I figured she must have run over the neighbors house. As I walked over to the nieghbors side of the house to call again, my moms friend starts Freaking out. "Where is 'your DD'?! Where is 'your DD'?!, She's not in the house, is she in the water?!?!" As I calmly walked over the other side of the yard and yell through the woods "DD, where are you?" and recieve the returning answer. I have never given much thought to how other people would react if in this situation. I found it slightly amusing how upset this person got that I was calm. The after conversation was how my DD could have drown. Well, I know accidents happen but, you have to walk 30ft out in the water for it to get over her head and DD barely ever goes out more than 20ft without coaxing, I figured that wasn't the case. But this episode got me thinking about how unconcerned I must come off to other people. I let my children play/walk/run on the dock over the water. I figure, if they fall in I will just pluck them out. At most the water around the dock is 3 1/2 feet and crystal clear, so I have no concern that they will drown. We have often been playing in the water and they have stumbled and gone under, I just help them up and give them a hug, then they go back to playing.

 

I know people think I'm a little wierd. I know they thought I was crazy for having not one homebirth, but two! They think I'm odd that I was excited that my DD had chicken pox and sad my DS has not had it yet. Strange that I don't fret over the littlest things, but who cares?! My kids are happy, well adjusted and I'm not so stressed, so win-win eh?


Omg, lol.  I thought I was way out on the permissive and calm end until I heard water.  I seriously don't know how people with kids and a pool can even sleep.  I think a pond sounds ever so slightly safer, but not enough for me to be anything but *freaked* out if I don't know exactly where my kid is.  I do know though that the vast majority of children who live in homes with back yard pools do survive to adulthood.

 

I have been part of playgroups that had the opposite dynamics  --  peer pressure to be more lax in supervision.  We'd always go to these parks where the kids would be on the playground (and I'm talking 3-5 years old) and the moms would be sitting in the shade far enough away that we had no idea what was going on with our kids.  Like, we'd be able to see the little blond one wearing our kids clothing, but barely.  I stopped going because it wasn't any fun to be socializing with the other moms and feeling guilty and worried about my kid or to be the only adult hanging out with the kids.  I mentioned to a friend that I didn't like the physical arrangement for one of these playgroups (trees way far from the playground) and we just happened to show up at a park while the playgroup was there and I hadn't noticed them, but my friend said, wow, I think those moms are all way over there and their kids are here!  I felt so vindicated!  lol  For the longest time I thought I must be the one who was crazy because they all seemed so comfortable with it.  But now I'm thinking that most of them wouldn't have come up with that arrangement on their own, it was a peer pressure thing.

 

post #16 of 19

I can relate to this in some ways, sadly. I'm all for giving DS (21mo) physical freedom to play and climb  and explore etc, but I constantly obsess over food, and environmental toxins, like plastic, heavy metal poisoning, etc. I have been freaking out inside about radiation since Fukishima. I worry about everything he eats. I cook most everything from scratch so I know whats in it, but there are some things you cant get completely away from.I obsess sometimes about things I could have done 'better' to protect my DS while I was pregnant. I have no idea why I do this, I was never like this before I had DS.

 

My DH has concerns about all these things too, but on a healthy and normal level. He helps talk me down, and put things in perspective. He points out that DS is incredible, healthy, strong, brilliant and happy. He tells me that I'm doing my best, and thats enough, and reminds me to let go of things I can not control. If I didnt have him there to help me balance out all these fears, I dont know what I would do.

 

Maybe you could try what my DH tells me to do. Just relax for a few moments, and focus on what is going right, instead of what 'could' go wrong, and take a few really deep breaths! redface.gif

post #17 of 19

Another book you might want to check out:

http://www.amazon.com/Blessing-Skinned-Knee-Teachings-Self-Reliant/dp/1416593063/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1313705584&sr=8-1

 

Although it's written from a Jewish perspective, it responds to modern helicopter parenting in ways that are relevant to everyone. (Read some of the reviews.)

post #18 of 19

I think that in some ways the move towards helicopter parenting is an extreme reaction by many people who had very bad experiences as children of parents who took free range to the extreme of neglect.  I don't think one is worse than the other, they both have good qualities and bad qualities.  I try to pick what feels right for my dd and stick with it even when I have friends who don't.  I find that knowing what I am comfortable with for my dd and the reasons why really helps.  If I can't think of a reason why she shouldn't do something that actually matters to me then I don't enforce her not doing it even if friends don't let their kids do things because it isn't my value.  My friends and I are all so different that we are often enforcing several different styles and we are all okay with that, in fact I think we grew stronger as friends when we became comfortable enough to be different and accept each others differences.

 

That being said, I think you would really benefit from a break from your circle of friends for a three or four weeks.  I had a very negative situation with a friend who was way too hovery and I didn't realize how much it affected me as a mom until I stopped being available for activities with them for two weeks, once I stopped being around them that long I felt so much happier and at peace.  I wound up dragging my timeline for getting back together out further and further because the thought of being around that lifestyle was as abhorrent to me as the thought of going back to my abusive ex.  A break can really help you think clearly and see things from a new, and sometimes better, perspective so you can feel the peace you want to feel while socializing with friends.

post #19 of 19

One_Girl, that's a good point... my son used to point to kids doing things he wasn't allowed to at the play ground and yell "HEY MOMMY, LOOK! DIFFERENT KIDS HAVE DIFFERENT RULES!!"

 

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