I can see where you're coming from, it's an interesting point of view. As a Christian I do believe in two things regarding governing laws- that they are to obeyed (as scripture states), and that we are to obey God's laws above man's laws (as scripture also states). So I get what you're saying, I really do. However with this specific topic, I think it's a far stretch to say that a midwife would be called to operate outside of the law. Because she is called to obey the governing laws (Christian midwives that is). There is nothing about the alternative to homebirth- hospital or UC, that you could find in scripture as being a sin against your body. To YOU it might "feel" wrong to have a doctor deliver your baby in a hospital, but that's just your feeling, you're allowed those feelings of course, but you can't support an argument with scripture to say that God would call you to ask someone to break the law for you (that is, hire an illegal midwife). However if you really felt it was an assault against your body and feared hospital birth, surely praying for God's wisdom would afford you a way out of that without breaking the law. Maybe he would call you to UC, maybe he would provide a gentle care provider that would completely respect you at a hospital birth (that happened to me, I cannot tell you how desperately I wanted a UC or homebirth but ended up at a hospital). So to jump to the conclusion that we must break the law in order to obey God does not hold up. This is coming from my 20 plus years as a Christian and studying the Bible daily, I'm not speaking for any other faith, spiritual belief, or any other understanding/belief about life or our bodies. And perhaps you weren't even referring to Christianity (not sure), but I just wanted to share my viewpoint about that.
And on the note about controlling other people, I don't know how many times I have to say it, I respect everyone's free-will and you can do whatever you want! The point of this whole thread for me was simply to gain understanding about how women view births with illegal midwives, why they seek it, why they support it. The only thing that gets me upset is when people think I should be protecting these midwives, that they deserve my respect for what they're doing. I don't respect what they're doing. I respect them as people, I respect them as midwives, I just don't respect the act of providing illegal services. I realize that they give women amazing support that they may not be able to get elsewhere, I understand that. I don't at all view it the same though, as you said, in comparison to others throughout history who broke the law and are hero's. Again though..I get what you're saying, and it totally makes sense, even if I disagree.
btw I hadn't looked at this thread in months, it's gotten so lengthy, and I haven't re-ready anyone's posts. Maybe we're just going around in circles here, but I'm enjoying the continued discussion. I love getting into the minds of women especially around the topic of birth. I don't think any less of anyone for choosing any type of birth even though I have an "opinion". Birth is so personal, and I really honestly wish there were no laws or politics involved, but since there are, we might as well talk about it.
Originally Posted by littlest birds
I respect your opinion best when you apply it only to your personal choices. It makes me nervous when you refer to what other people should do, but as long as it's opinion and not an effort to control other people than I am fine with it.
People should not follow the law of their government when it goes against greater laws. When it goes against moral and spiritual laws I think they should not feel they must follow it.
Let's say I live in a location where I can't access any legally-practicing midwife for a homebirth and don't consider UC a viable option. Following the law threatens my freedom from various unwanted and unnecessary surgeries and drugs and it even means I have no say over who touches and sees my private parts. It means placing my body in the hands of people I do not trust. My ethical beliefs about personal bodily integrity tend to trump my belief in laws, even though I am generally extremely respectful of laws. The only fully legal options in many places require a willingness to sacrifice basic bodily integrity and choice and I do not believe we are ethically obligated to do that.
Let's say I believe that birth is a spiritual process and that every intervention not absolutely required is an assault on God's natural order. At that point I would be going against my religion to put myself in a place where multiple unnecessary assaults against that natural unfolding are guaranteed. Those laws humble and foolish as they sound are greater than the ones that stand in the way of midwives.
What if you look at the work of a midwife as a calling from God? Should that midwife not heed God's call and the pathway given to her? Certainly she is most desperately needed as a midwife where it is most difficult to practice and there are too few practicing. She is called to bring a blessing to women and babies and families, and not where it is easiest only.
How many, many people have acted outside of the laws throughout history because they were doing God's work? Or just doing what was right when it wasn't legal? How about the underground railroad and anyone who helped a runaway slave, ever? Should they have not done so? There are so many, many examples of people who did what was right when it was against the law. They are often called heroes later on.
These midwives are my heroes. Read my much earlier post again if you are interested in what I think of their courage in being revolutionaries and paving the way and doing what is right despite the risks. They should be celebrated and thanked and praised and blessed and protected.
Edited by lovebeingamomma - 3/15/12 at 8:53pm