My Birth Story - Tyson Noah - Page 2

[IwannaBanRN]

Originally Posted by rainbow_mandala 

Umm, you clearly are not aware of how much most of us educate ourselves, but horror stories rarely prove useful.  Education is not necessarily about instilling fear and then having to figure out what to do if you were in the same situation.  This is certainly one way of going about it, but a more effective way is to learn about the different facets of breech births and how to approach them.  Fear does not have to predicate educated, empowered awareness and choice.  In fact, when we come from a place of allowance, it is easier to see other methods of going about special birth issues (like breech) than if you were to approach from simply the fear mentality.

Agreed. Aren't fear tactics what stear us away from birthing in a hospital anyway? So why do it with something that is supposed to be the most natural route to go?

[stik]

Dislodging a stuck breech baby is a complicated, difficult, and painful obstetric maneuver. It sounds like that is possibly what the EMT did. It really doesn't matter if the op had been aware of it in advance or not. You can't perform obstetric maneuvers on yourself. I don't know what emergency dispatch suggested, but it sounds like they tried to walk her dh through it.

Vaginal delivery of a footling breech baby is incredibly risky. Unlike with some other complications, there is not a simple way to resolve the situation. The OP's situation sounds painful and heart-wrenching. Playing Monday-morning quarterback is one way to try to defuse the fear surrounding a possibility. But no matter how many books you have read, if your baby presents feet first, death or serious complications are likely. This situation could not have been resolved by a more thorough reading of Emergency Childbirth.

To the op, I hope your son continues to improve and your family is reunited soon.

[MeesterMama]

It sounds like she just came here to fear monger. Never posted before the birth story?? And it seems there are a lot of non UCers who came to comment on this as well to do more fear mongering.

Edited by MeesterMama - 8/23/11 at 7:59am

[stik]

I'm inclined to give posters the benefit of the doubt until they ask for donations.

In any case, her description of the complications that result from footling breech during a UC is spot on. In a hospital, staff would prep for a section the second they saw a foot, but you could well still end up with complications if the cord was compressed by the baby's position. There was a story a while back about a woman who had a footling breech and could do nothing but watch helplessly until the feet stopped moving.

Skepticism shouldn't be an excuse for social aggression. Queen Bee/"shouldn't you have known better" stuff really hurts people.

[Cynthia Mosher]

This

makes you look like an uncaring idiot

is veiled namecalling. Please edit to remove that and keep your post polite and respectful.

This is a birth story posted in UC. Per our stated guidelines:

The Unassisted Childbirth (UC) board is a forum of support, respectful requests for information and sharing of ideas and experiences. While we will not restrict discussions only to those who birth without professional attendants, we will actively discourage individuals from posting with no sincere interest in exploring UC. Proselytizing against UC will not be permitted. Controversial subjects of discussion related to UC can be found elsewhere on the internet, and we invite you to seek out other venues for that purpose.

While we wish to support women throughout the birthing process, we cannot host threads seeking advice during unassisted labor. Labor announcement threads are fine, but any posts seeking advice will be removed. We encourage you to share your birth narrative afterwards in MDC's Birth Stories subforum.

I am moving this to the Birth Stories where it can be posted to in a more neutral atmosphere. Let's please focus posting on support for klamp and her family. 

[IwannaBanRN]

Originally Posted by PhoenixMommaToTwo 

Well, if you were trying NOT to be rude, you clearly failed. In her initial post she describes her partner trying to help dislodge the baby, not that that matters any. He's not a healthcare professional, neither is she. THAT is why there are health care professionals, to help in cases like this. Criticising a woman who nearly lost their child in childbirth and then lost them afterward to CPS is bad form and makes you look like an uncaring idiot. And then to offer your "prayers" after such a rude and blaming post, is worse. I'm sure that's all this woman needs is hear how you think she's an uneducated idiot who caused her baby's trauma. Really. It's awesome that you're so "helpful". Also, before you claim to be so educated, you might want to look up how to spell "manual". HTH!

When a woman chooses UC, she is taking responsibility of her child's life, instead of putting it in the life of a healthcare professional. That being said, it's the mother and father's responsibility to educate themselves about the birthing process.

[MeesterMama]

Originally Posted by IwannaBanRN 

When a woman chooses UC, she is taking responsibility of her child's life, instead of putting it in the life of a healthcare professional. That being said, it's the mother and father's responsibility to educate themselves about the birthing process.

Thank you, you put it in better words than I can.

[stik]

IMO, saying that the OP should have been more educated, or should have not panicked is also not helpful at this point.  How the OP's birth could have been changed might be a useful discussion if this were some kind of seminar, but it's not - it's a story in the Birth Stories forum.  

I'm all for education and a calm approach to the birthing process. This baby is here now.  

Welcome to the world Tyson Noah!  I'm sorry you had such a rough start.  

[IwannaBanRN]

Originally Posted by stik 

IMO, saying that the OP should have been more educated, or should have not panicked is also not helpful at this point.  How the OP's birth could have been changed might be a useful discussion if this were some kind of seminar, but it's not - it's a story in the Birth Stories forum.  

I'm all for education and a calm approach to the birthing process. This baby is here now.  

Welcome to the world Tyson Noah!  I'm sorry you had such a rough start.  

Well, I've certainly learned from her terrifying experience. I can't say that I would have kept it together myself, but this also means more research on maneuvers for UC breech birthing will be done on mine and my DH's part. If I discovered I had a footling breech, I'd probably call EMT's to stand by. I hope Tyson makes a full recovery, for sure.
 

[Cynthia Mosher]

I posted above: 

Let's please focus posting on support for klamp and her family. 

Since that is not being done and the posting is still circling in debate and argument I am closing this and issuing warnings.