I feel the same, really worried about the MMR vac!

[behappy83]

My little one's almost one, and I'm worrying like crazy about the MMR jab. I got psoriasis age 5 soon after I had a vaccine, and genuinely believe the accumulation of the metals (mercury and today aluminium) in vaccines to be the reason. Most auto-immune disorders are caused by metal toxicity effecting and damaging the body's cell dna. So our natural immunities are hindered, and in some cases immune problems arise. With psoriasis (after much research) it looks like the cells are damaged to the point that they are set off by false signals as to what is bad for the body (i.e food intolerances etc, so the skin becomes inflamed).

With metal toxicity then what often seems to happen is that things don't work properly/the same. Leaky gut, I believe is related to chemical and metal exposure. This is where you become unable to digest proteins and foods properly, so illnesses and intolerances arise.

I know, because after changing my diet completely my psoriasis is much improving!

I've recently taken a heavy metal test however, and it's gone through the roof, that I have very high metal toxicity. I'm planning on using clay baths, as children with autism use, to rid the body of heavy metals, in the hope it will improve my skin :)

What I'm terrified about is my son having the MMR vaccine. Because of the reasearch I've done, and knowing that he could end up with severe psoriasis as I have suffered most of my life, aswell as autism and other nasty problems, I'm really worried. I love my son so much.

Has anybody not had their child vaccined, and do you worry?

Also having such a small child exposed to 3 strains of disease at once doesn't seem a good idea.

I wouldn't want anything to happen to him though.

I feel in a dilemma, and might atleast put off the injection for now.

CP doesn't seem worth the extra aluminium!! I'd rather him come out in chicken pox.

I hope to hear some of your thoughts.

xx

[behappy83]

Additionally my g.p is not very understadnding, when my son had his initial injections and I expressed my fears about the MMR to him, he wavered it off and grinned as if it was funny. 'Scare mongering!' he said. He reminded me how dangerous measles is, informing me that he'd just dealt with a baby who had died from it, and then when I mentioned that my mum had a friend who's little boy had become autistic soon after his MMR jab, he tole me 'it's just a co-incidence that the MMR jab is given at a time when autisism begins to show signs'.

He actually made me feel stupid.

I don't feel happy about the vaccine though.

If only there was a safe way where you could just vaccine against the measles, and no heavy metals being present!

I've read the mercury was removed to show that there's no link to autism, but instead aluminium has been added! :( So really that's no proof because that's just as dangerous in large amounts.

There's literature on the net about it.

Also in mormon villages where children haven't been vaccinated, there's been no incidents of autism.

On the other hand, we don't live in one of those villages so they're not going to come into contact with the measles etc I imagine.

It's tough :(

xx

[shiningpearl]

First off, your doctor is not listening to you.  the choice is yours, but you need to do some research.  And I personally wouldn't seem the harm in delaying.

here is a link to a mothering post http://www.mothering.com/community/t/127696/a-commonsense-guide-to-determining-if-vaccinations-are-right-for-your-child/0_50

Here is a link to the CDC pink book describing measles.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/meas.pdf

I was trying to find a link to cases of measles in the past few years, but can't find the link.  it was a condensed list of the past few years of measles cases in the U.S.  There are less then 200 cases (usually much less) in the US a year,, there are THOUSANDS of unvaccnated or undervaccinated children and in the past years there have been no deaths in the US from measles. 

It is not something I'm looking to expose my children to, but the more I learn about the disease, the less I'm scared of it.  And if you really want a laugh, watch this. OOOPs, that's strange, there is an episode of the Brady Bunch where all the kids get measles and they actually say "if you're gonna be sick, Measles is the way to go", but it appears to be gone from youtube, Maybe people where trusting the Brady's more then their doctors. 

[kathymuggle]

Originally Posted by behappy83 
. 'Scare mongering!' he said. He reminded me how dangerous measles is, informing me that he'd just dealt with a baby who had died from it, 

I sincerely doubt that.  Look at the stats for where you live - almost no one gets or dies from measles in wealthy nations.  

[BeckyBird]

Hi BeHappy83! Welcome!

This is the general Vaccinations section, which is a good place to find information from both sides of the vaccine issue. You should research the pros and cons of vaccines, and not just listen to one side. There are parents here who vax, and parents who don't, and both sides have valid information.

Now, if you would like to talk with other parents who do not vaccinate, or parents who delay/selectively vaccinate, please look up the other sections in this forum--I'm Not Vaccinating, and Selective/Delayed Vaccination. All 3 sections are valuable, and I encourage you to look at them all.

Good luck!

[ma2two]

It sounds like you really don't want your child to get the MMR vaccine.

So I'm not sure what the problem is. Just don't let him get it.

[mama to 2 girls]

I agree with the OP that you should look at both sides and decide what's right for your family. It sounds to me like you have already made your decision.  It is such a hard decision, but just for the heck of it, I will share with you how I came to my decision. I did research on both sides, the pro's and con's of BOTH. I decided that there was not enough research that I could trust from either side to convince me one way or the other. So it came down to whether I could live myself if my child was injured by a vaccine or injured by a disease that a vaccine is supposed to prevent....And for *me* I just wouldn't be able to live with myself if my child was permanently injured by something that I forced upon my innocent child. Someone also made a good point once, she said "would you rather nurse a child thru an injury that is possibly permanent from a vaccine or nurse a child thru an illness that they will probably recover completely from" And again for *me* I would rather do the later.

I do have doubts every now and then and I do have fears about the diseases that vaccine are supposed to prevent but every time I do I just go back to the materials that helped me make my decision in the first place, plus try to find any new info. and I always come back to the same conclusion, until someone does a study on the outcome of health in a vaxed child vs. an unvaxed child or I can find some studies that either aren't "psuedo" science or from some study that was done by an independent group then I am sticking to my decision. 

Sorry for rambling on, I know how you feel. I hope you can get some comfort and reassurance. But unfortunately you are the only one who can make the decision. 

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by shiningpearl 

First off, your doctor is not listening to you.  the choice is yours, but you need to do some research.  And I personally wouldn't seem the harm in delaying.

here is a link to a mothering post http://www.mothering.com/community/t/127696/a-commonsense-guide-to-determining-if-vaccinations-are-right-for-your-child/0_50

Here is a link to the CDC pink book describing measles.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/meas.pdf

I was trying to find a link to cases of measles in the past few years, but can't find the link.  it was a condensed list of the past few years of measles cases in the U.S.  There are less then 200 cases (usually much less) in the US a year,, there are THOUSANDS of unvaccnated or undervaccinated children and in the past years there have been no deaths in the US from measles. 

It is not something I'm looking to expose my children to, but the more I learn about the disease, the less I'm scared of it.  And if you really want a laugh, watch this. OOOPs, that's strange, there is an episode of the Brady Bunch where all the kids get measles and they actually say "if you're gonna be sick, Measles is the way to go", but it appears to be gone from youtube, Maybe people where trusting the Brady's more then their doctors. 

Try this link for the BB video:
 

http://10.15.24.129/DMHASgeneralSTAFF.htm?URL=http://www.blinkx.com/video/the-brady-bunch-is-there-a-doctor-in-the-house/Vw7AJKy5XO3MhdzsNbPFqQ&IP=10.15.72.195&CAT=GPORN&USER=IPGROUP
 

[behappy83]

Thank you all for taking the time to reply to my message. It's something that's been worrying me a great deal for a long time. I've put it to the back of my mind because of this, although my little one is now almost one, and the vaccine date is approaching. My G.P is very pushy.

I do appreciate how you came to the decision, Mama to 2 girls, in the sense you would feel worse for knowing you had caused the illness yourself by forcing a small child to have a vaccine. Autism isn't a nice illness, I've read that the reason that these children hit themselves is because they're suffering a great deal of pain?!  I love my son so much, he's the most important person in my life, I've never felt so happy as I am having him with me. The idea of his personality being wiped out, and him changing and suffering from pain and distorted thinking makes me feel sick.

At the same time I just want him to be safe.

Maybe the best way forward if I don't vaccine him is to bring him up to be as healthy as I can. So he has a better immune system? I've breast fed him up until now, he's almost one, I've also only ever fed him organic foods, and I even have a bath filter so that he's not getting heavy metals and chlorine etc in his bath water.

It's upsetting though because I'm in a bad relationship with his dad, and should we ever seperate I'm not going to be able to monitor how he raises my son (what food he gives him, etc).

Most children his age are now on fizzy pop and sweets!

My son has the most sweet natured and adorable temperament, I really think him not having lots of chemicals inside him has contributed to this.

I'm just scared, I just love him that's all.

Thanks for all of your replies, they're much appreciated, I'll look at the links thanks :)

[Lisa1970]

Those diseases are not serious illnesses. When I was growing up, they were considered on par with a bad cold. I still have a book from when I was born that includes info on those illnesses and it even uses the word innoculous. When the pharmaceuticals invent a new vaccination, they suddenly make the illness out to be deadly. Anything can be deadly. You could be in your bed sleeping at night and have a plane crash in to your house. It is how deadly it is that counts. You cannot live in fear of what could happen. Especially when the route you take to avoid one risk ends up being riskier. Seriously, I knew of someone whose children (two of them) died in a car accident while in their car seats. She later had more children, but will not allow them to use car seats. She is a loving sweet person and really thinks she is doing best for them. But in reality, we know that while the fluke situation can happen where being in the car seat ends up being the more dangerous situation (I think it was something where the drunk driver hit her car and they got pinned or something, it was a long time ago, but if they had not been in the car seats, they might have been thrown loose, I don't recall the specific details as it was long ago). That overall, being in the car seat is the safer situation. 

So, some marketing campaign tells us "your child WILL die if they get Measles) reality is, they probably won't. It would be a rare thing if they did. However, it is a common thing to have serious side effects from the shot and you can still die from the shot.

[Lisa1970]

Also, autism is only one concern. The MMR has egg and aborted human cells. Seriously serious allergies are a new thing in our society. Children with the serious egg allergies have pretty much 99.9% had this shot. In communities where this shot is not done, there are zero egg allergies. Then there are the moral implications of using embryo derived vaccinations.

[Lisa1970]

Have you ever read Betsy-Tacy? It is a children's book. It used to be popular but kids tend to read trendier newer books these days. But it is a fun book series. I loved it as a child and lots of little girls loved those books through the years.

Anyway, Betsy and Tacy are best of friends. There is a part in the book where Tacy missed school because she had the measles or mumps. I do not recall which. It was a normal part of childhood back then. It was something everyone got. It is just a big marketing campaign from the drug companies that the disease is suddenly something worth panicking over. They have a product to sell. Their marketing campaign works. It is as simple as that. I do not buy products I see on TV that guarantee I will get skinny. I don't buy in to it. And I don't buy the hype over the vaccinations. I had measles as a child as did all my childhood friends. I had Mumps too.

[behappy83]

Hi Lisa,

Thanks for your reply, I appreciate what you are saying. I have spoken to a couple of people a little older than me who've told me they had the measles when they were children. It was awful apparently, but they're still here today.

I'm very wary of pharmacetical companies, I never take drugs if I can help it. I've even steered clear of the bonjela amazingly, and my little one's done great without it, he's just needed alot of extra hugs!

I genuinely believe my psoriasis (and auto-immune disorder) was caused by a vaccine I had age five. Now children have a further ten or more jabs than when I was a child! Every one containing heavy metals.

I appreciate that they claim to have lowered the mercury in them, but to compensate they've apparently upped the aluminium. On the labels the warnings for the injections are horrendous. Yet the doctors never tell you about the risks! It's awful.

I do remember a news flash this year, in which an eighteen year old boy had died from the measles. It just happened from nowhere, and he was otherwise apprently very healthy.

That's scary. Measles can be dangerous. On the other hand, when rare incidents do occurr they are always televised I notice. I guess to re-iterate the point the pharms want to get across, and to scare us.

It is really upsetting that they put so many dangerous ingredients into the jabs, rather than safe ones. And why the need to subject a tiny and still developing person to three different strains of disease all at once, alongside aluminum and mercury, it's awful.

That is horrible about the car crash, I can understand why your friend sees things as she does, it makes sense. I can't even imagne how she would ever move on from that :(

Thanks for your reply xx

[Lisa1970]

Thing about it is, if one child dies from an illness, it will be all over the news. They don't even bother to mention that the child may have actually had the vaccination too. But I have seen several cases of children dying or becoming very ill leaving permanent problems within 24 hrs of the shots. Those things never hit the news.  Something might say a child died, but it won't say it was within 24 hrs of shots. There was a big fuss of a boy dying from HIB a few years ago. ONE boy. Later, it came out that he had recently had the shot. So, reading of one person who gets an illness and dies, well, it is scarey. But it does not really set off the hundreds or whatever who have complications from the shots. Plus, in some cases, those people did have the vaccinations. The shots are not 100%. I have seen many cases of preschoolers getting shingles who had the Chicken Pox shot. Preschoolers did not used to get shingles. Now I hear from parents that they are getting the chicken pox shot to avoid shingles in their children. But the only preschoolers getting shingles are the ones who had the shots. See what I am saying? Oh, and the only times my children have ever had the flu type A is the 2 yrs that we did flu shots.