Diapers and baby shower - Page 2

[Jaimee]

Originally Posted by birdhappy85 

I won't even get into our argument over my suggestion of using a diaper sprayer and his suggestion that we could just rinse out the diapers in the sink......... I was not having any of it.

There is no need to rinse either.  If you're dealing with meconium (which stains) or later on when feeding solids and are dealing with mushy poop that does not easily roll off the diaper, that's when  flushable liners come in handy.  The diaper sprayer is really just handy for cleaning more poop off the diaper if you really can't stand the smell of your diaper pail or again, later, if the poop needs some help getting off the diapers.  But even then, I've heard some people say that the water that ends up spraying off the diapers gets on the toilet, the walls, possibly you, etc. and wasn't worth it.  Though that could be some user error...  If we're in a squishy poop phase and I didn't get a liner in a diaper, I end up using some toilet paper to pick the poop off.  I didn't have that problem with dd, but I have had that problem several times with ds.  Now we're potty training, so no more of that!!

[jbk21]

Yep!  It's rare that it is ever so messy anyway... But diaper liners are great (I always forget them, silly me!)  We have the Imse Vimse brand.  

To me, a diaper sprayer is just another thing to get, and I like CDing to be as SIMPLE as possible.  

Originally Posted by Jaimee 

There is no need to rinse either.  If you're dealing with meconium (which stains) or later on when feeding solids and are dealing with mushy poop that does not easily roll off the diaper, that's when  flushable liners come in handy.  The diaper sprayer is really just handy for cleaning more poop off the diaper if you really can't stand the smell of your diaper pail or again, later, if the poop needs some help getting off the diapers.  But even then, I've heard some people say that the water that ends up spraying off the diapers gets on the toilet, the walls, possibly you, etc. and wasn't worth it.  Though that could be some user error...  If we're in a squishy poop phase and I didn't get a liner in a diaper, I end up using some toilet paper to pick the poop off.  I didn't have that problem with dd, but I have had that problem several times with ds.  Now we're potty training, so no more of that!!

[birdhappy85]

Great stuff to know! I was hoping a diaper sprayer wouldn't really be necessary anyway since I doubt hubby would want to use it and I'm like jbk21 -- I like things as simple as possible. When I had first found out that EBF poop can just go into the washer with the diapers, I almost did a happy dance. LOL.

I'll take any suggestions on diaper liners! I looked up the Imse Vimse brand jbk21 mentioned and they look great! I like the idea of using those from time to time. My only concern is that I don't know if I'd feel comfortable flushing them... We don't have very high-powered toilets and our plumbing is pretty old; I don't know much about whether or not it'd be a good idea. Is it a total no-no to just toss them in the trash after dumping solids out of them?

[Jaimee]

There are several fine brands of diaper liners including Bummis Biosoft liners (softer, degrade quicker, useable in sewer or septic), Imse Vimse (much thicker, but lay in the diaper better and can survive a few wash cycles if just peed on), Kushies (not recommended for septic tanks, I believe they can be washed a few times, too), GroVia (these are new, so I'm not sure about them yet, but they seem quite large for nb's), Bumkins (not recommended for septic), Real Nappies (I haven't used these personally), CuteyBaby (haven't used them, but they seem good and cheaper than other brands).

If you have finicky plumbing you may have trouble flushing them.  You'll have to experiment.  You might be able to shake the poop off the liner easier than the diaper and then rip the liner in half for better flushing.  Of course you can toss it, but the idea is to get all the poop where it is supposed to go: in the sewer system where it can be treated.  Pee liners can be composted.  I would suggest trying out Bummis first and see if those flush fine as they are the thinnest liners out there.  If you go with a thicker liner like Imse Vimse or Kushies, I would suggest washing the pee ones and reusing a few times before flushing as this will start to break them up a bit.  The poop ones may need to be tossed.

[jbk21]

I would think even with older plumbing that if you are only flushing the liner/poo (not other TP or anything along with it) that it shouldn't give you any problems.  It will start to break down just like TP once it's in the sewage system.  However, I'm no plumber so I wouldn't make any guarantees.  Like Jaimee said, though, the idea is to keep the poo out of the garbage (did you know it's illegal to put poopy diapers- of any kind- in the trash?  EVERYONE is supposed to be putting the poop in the toilet where it belongs- but very few people know that!  Fun fact, lol)

I'd definitely test it out- and have a plunger handy- just in case :)

[Jaimee]

Unfortunately there is no federal law against throwing away human excrement in the US (though I've heard tell that there are a few cities that have laws against it), but it does violate health guidelines set forth by the WHO and CDC.  And last I checked there is a federal law that says DAY CARES are supposed to flush the poop, but no one follows it and it's not enforced.  Disposable diapers used to print right on their packaging that the poop was supposed to be flushed, but the don't any longer.  I contacted several companies (including Seventh Gen) and asked them why and all responded it was b/c they have limited room on their packaging and since it is just a guideline, they don't feel obligated to print it.  I also contacted a few cities and asked about human feces in landfills.  All responded that since landfills are properly lined, it should not be a problem.  The thing is, we know that it has been a problem in the past and I personally think that WHO guidelines are quite solid when it comes to things like this.  Human excrement is full of viruses, especially the excrement of vaccinated infants, and these viruses can leach out of old landfills and into our water systems.  So, whether you're using cloth or sposies, flush that poop mamas!

At any rate, I have had issues with even BioSoft liners in my older plumbing back in Maryland.  So there is a chance that you'll have issues, too, if your plumbing is similar.  Like J said, have a plunger near by!

[2011mama]

This is going to sound kind of rotten but because many people don't shop off the reigstry was part of the reason we did not want to tell anyone the gender (and then we wound up not even finding out ourselves but originally we just weren't going to tell). I know people's hearts are in the right place but I've been to so many showers where the mom registers and say she knows she is having a little girl and instead of getting all the practical stuff on the registry she gets 30 pink dresses in size NB or 0-3 months and the baby can never possibly wear them all before outgrowing them all. I guess I get upset because I always buy off the registry if I know there's a registry but others don't seem to. For my wedding shower I even got kind of screwed over because I got several duplicates without receipts and when I tried to return them (in this case, to Target) they would only give me the lowest sale price they'd been in the past 90 days or whatever. So the person could have paid full price for the item, I had no use for it, but then I could only get store credit at what the lowest sale price was. :( So when I give gifts I always shop off the registry and always give gift receipts because sometimes the registry doesn't take the items off correctly or because maybe some other guest bought the same item I did but forgot to have the registry scanned and forgot to provide a gift receipt, I just like to make it easier for the guest of honor since I went through it three years ago at my wedding. Anyway, if people don't know the gender I think they'll be less likely to buy clothes. There are very few neutral clothes out there! I should know as I've been looking. :) I'm thinking about buying a couple outfits for boys and a couple outfits for girls and saving the receipts just so I have something to put my baby in when he/she is born besides onesies and PJs. :)

Stuffed animals...aaarrrrggghhh! Those are one of those clutter things I hate to even bring into my house. Growing up as the oldest of 7, I saw how those things seem to accumulate. I really hope we don't get too many of those. I hope that doesn't sound too ungrateful!

Anyway, about diapers, I've been to quite a few baby showers this year and the moms were planning on using disposables so that would have been a welcome gift but I don't believe they even got any...so I would hope you'd be OK. You received quite a few good suggestions on what to do though if you do receive them.

I know some people have told me they don't shop off registries because they think BRU is too expensive (and that's where the bulk of registries seem to be) and they like to just go to Walmart or Target and get the item cheaper. So I thought I was doing a good thing registering at Amazon and Target and a friend of ours told me I "complicated" things by not just doing one at BRU. I swear the prices at BRU are like 20% higher on some of the items though! I'm trying to make it EASIER for people to shop my registry, not more complicated. :( But then again she is the same person who told me I shouldn't have bought used crib bedding ahead of time. Look, I know the people coming to my shower are not made of money and I don't expect them to finance my kid's wardrobe and bedroom furnishings. If I found a good deal ahead of time on used stuff, what's it hurting? She had a shower full of her MIL's rich friends at a fancy restaurant and they spared no expense. My guests are not rich and that is fine, I don't need them to be, I just want them there to celebrate with me and they can give what they want. (I just really didn't want 30 pink dresses...ha ha!) Sorry for the rant...I went off a bit there!

[jbk21]

Totally, I know there are a few places where it truly is a law on the books but mostly it is technically illegal.  Whatever that means :)  It is kind of gross though. I mean, you wouldn't want someone pooping in the trash can, right? :-)

Originally Posted by Jaimee 

Unfortunately there is no federal law against throwing away human excrement in the US (though I've heard tell that there are a few cities that have laws against it), but it does violate health guidelines set forth by the WHO and CDC.  And last I checked there is a federal law that says DAY CARES are supposed to flush the poop, but no one follows it and it's not enforced.  Disposable diapers used to print right on their packaging that the poop was supposed to be flushed, but the don't any longer.  I contacted several companies (including Seventh Gen) and asked them why and all responded it was b/c they have limited room on their packaging and since it is just a guideline, they don't feel obligated to print it.  I also contacted a few cities and asked about human feces in landfills.  All responded that since landfills are properly lined, it should not be a problem.  The thing is, we know that it has been a problem in the past and I personally think that WHO guidelines are quite solid when it comes to things like this.  Human excrement is full of viruses, especially the excrement of vaccinated infants, and these viruses can leach out of old landfills and into our water systems.  So, whether you're using cloth or sposies, flush that poop mamas!

At any rate, I have had issues with even BioSoft liners in my older plumbing back in Maryland.  So there is a chance that you'll have issues, too, if your plumbing is similar.  Like J said, have a plunger near by!

[birdhappy85]

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Originally Posted by 2011mama 

This is going to sound kind of rotten but because many people don't shop off the registry was part of the reason we did not want to tell anyone the gender (and then we wound up not even finding out ourselves but originally we just weren't going to tell). I know people's hearts are in the right place but I've been to so many showers where the mom registers and say she knows she is having a little girl and instead of getting all the practical stuff on the registry she gets 30 pink dresses in size NB or 0-3 months and the baby can never possibly wear them all before outgrowing them all.

.......

I know some people have told me they don't shop off registries because they think BRU is too expensive (and that's where the bulk of registries seem to be) and they like to just go to Walmart or Target and get the item cheaper. So I thought I was doing a good thing registering at Amazon and Target and a friend of ours told me I "complicated" things by not just doing one at BRU.

As to the first comment about telling the gender, I totally agree with your strategy! I wish I had realized that before we spread the news "it's a girl!" before a baby shower. I got 2 years worth of second-hand baby girl clothes, super cute, for only $120 from a rummage sale and I'm pretty much set. When I told my grandma and sister about how excited I was to have gotten such a deal, they completely disregarded how great it was and jumped right into saying to me kind of rudely, "Well then what if people want to get her some clothes?!" and I was completely caught off guard!!! I was like, "Um... I didn't know that was an issue. We didn't register for a bunch of clothes. If we get a few things that's fine, we can use them. I'd hope people would get us practical gifts. What's the big deal?" It was so insulting. I was down in the dumps from them bringing down my excitement and basically telling me that nobody will go off of my registry and I'll probably get a bunch of clothes. They actually acted like I was the rude one for being ungrateful at the idea of getting clothes!!! As if I was selfish for getting a deal since we don't have much money to spend on the necessities! GAH!!!

And in regards to registering... I registered at BRU, Target, and BuyBuyBaby. Nobody even knows what BuyBuyBaby is, so it was kind of just more for our benefit since it's nearby and we can use Bed Bath and Beyond coupons there. But a lot of the stuff we registered for is only available to purchase online, and THAT got me worried. I don't think people will even shop online. In my experience if people are going to go off of a registry, they go shopping literally days before the event. They don't typically plan ahead and shop your registry online. So I basically have a double whammy here.

Here's to *hoping praying and wishing* that MOST people at least give us practical gifts and not crap that they just got excited over for being girlie and want to watch us open! I'm not that good at feigning excitement over a gift I don't like. LOL. It's not that I'm ungrateful, it's that I just suck at reacting in the moment. I'll have to mentally prepare myself before I go into this.

Is it so wrong of me to be disappointed at the idea that people will go so unpractical with gift-giving, though? My hang-up with all of this is that I take it personally when friends and family basically show me that they don't "know me" or just take what I view as the "selfish route" by getting me something THEY'D like even though they know I'm not that kind of person at all... That kind of stuff is insulting to me, but apparently that makes me "ungrateful" I guess. My husband and I are such simple people and everyone knows that. They also know how into natural stuff I am. It makes me feel like they're trying to change me or disapprove of my lifestyle when they get me something that I CLEARLY wouldn't use. I guess I just can't wrap my head around that mentality. I'm like 2011mama in the way that I always go off of a registry when people have one. Those are things they explicitly WANT and/or NEED! Especially for a new mom, I would never just buy her something not on her registry unless I knew for sure that she would love it and use it. But I would never assume.

[Jaimee]

Originally Posted by birdhappy85 
Is it so wrong of me to be disappointed at the idea that people will go so unpractical with gift-giving, though? My hang-up with all of this is that I take it personally when friends and family basically show me that they don't "know me" or just take what I view as the "selfish route" by getting me something THEY'D like even though they know I'm not that kind of person at all... That kind of stuff is insulting to me, but apparently that makes me "ungrateful" I guess. My husband and I are such simple people and everyone knows that. They also know how into natural stuff I am. It makes me feel like they're trying to change me or disapprove of my lifestyle when they get me something that I CLEARLY wouldn't use. I guess I just can't wrap my head around that mentality. I'm like 2011mama in the way that I always go off of a registry when people have one. Those are things they explicitly WANT and/or NEED! Especially for a new mom, I would never just buy her something not on her registry unless I knew for sure that she would love it and use it. But I would never assume.

This is totally how I feel, too.  My MIL is big into not buying off of lists for holidays, birthdays, and registries.  She thinks that buying something that she finds that she thinks we'll like is more personal than just getting something off a list.  I think that she'd be right IF she found things we actually did want and need.  But usually it's not!  So when people get us things we really need off our lists, I get really excited and I'm so grateful.
 

[Mal85]

I've only read the original post, so sorry if I'm repeating anything. My personal experience... I told everyone I knew we were doing cloth and everyone coming to my showers knew we were doing cloth, but I still got some disposables. I ended up using them in the beginning, we had enough for about 2 weeks then I switched to cloth. If you're okay with buying eco-friendly, you'd be surprised with Target and BRU. They do have some of the eco-friendly brands of disposables and liners. If they aren't in the store, they are likely online. So, if you do get a bunch of disposables you don't think you'll use, you could take them back for store credit and get the eco-friendly ones you want.

[jbk21]

I totally understand where you are coming from, Birdhappy85!   I think it's a fine line when someone is giving a gift- isn't it sort of their responsibility to think through what they are buying to be sure that the recipient will enjoy it, and that it isn't just something that THEY like?  I do that as a gift-giver- I analyze and analyze and analyze a gift before I give it so I am sure that they will like it.  It seems some folks just pick up whatever they think is cute.  My MIL gets my son all sorts of really cheesy, really "girly" books (now, I'm totally not usually a gender-stereotyper but they really are pretty fluffy books... which would be fine if he enjoyed them but he defaults to the really boy-ish stuff (not my doing. Ha. I don't know where some boys get the affinity for trucks and tools, but he's got it, though his father and I tried not to sway him))  He likes them well enough at first but they KNOW that he loves animals, trucks, etc... So it just makes me wonder if she buys them just because she likes them, or if she is really thinking "Oh I'll bet O will like this butterfly and rainbow book instead of that dump truck book".  Go with the dump truck book, lady.   Lol.

I think the older generation does find lists impersonal, but what is more personal than gifts I hand-picked?!  So frustrating.  I don't think it's ungrateful- I mean, it's almost kind of hurtful to me when I feel like people don't know me well enough to know that something they got was a terrible gift idea for me.... Gifting is definitely a sensitive issue for everyone involved, though, so I try to be as appreciative as I can in the moment.  

Originally Posted by Jaimee 

This is totally how I feel, too.  My MIL is big into not buying off of lists for holidays, birthdays, and registries.  She thinks that buying something that she finds that she thinks we'll like is more personal than just getting something off a list.  I think that she'd be right IF she found things we actually did want and need.  But usually it's not!  So when people get us things we really need off our lists, I get really excited and I'm so grateful.
 

[1love4ever]

Originally Posted by Jaimee 

There are several fine brands of diaper liners including Bummis Biosoft liners (softer, degrade quicker, useable in sewer or septic), Imse Vimse (much thicker, but lay in the diaper better and can survive a few wash cycles if just peed on), Kushies (not recommended for septic tanks, I believe they can be washed a few times, too), GroVia (these are new, so I'm not sure about them yet, but they seem quite large for nb's), Bumkins (not recommended for septic), Real Nappies (I haven't used these personally), CuteyBaby (haven't used them, but they seem good and cheaper than other brands).

I have been using the GroVia liners because they are the most natural that I could find.  I think they work great and I like how large they are.  They are not stiff or scratchy:)   As for rewashing and reusing, I have seen customer reviews that said it can be done, but mine come out of the wash and they are coming apart a little, so I save them and use them instead of toilet paper to pick off poop if need be.
 

Originally Posted by birdhappy85 

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Is it so wrong of me to be disappointed at the idea that people will go so unpractical with gift-giving, though? My hang-up with all of this is that I take it personally when friends and family basically show me that they don't "know me" or just take what I view as the "selfish route" by getting me something THEY'D like even though they know I'm not that kind of person at all... That kind of stuff is insulting to me, but apparently that makes me "ungrateful" I guess. My husband and I are such simple people and everyone knows that. They also know how into natural stuff I am. It makes me feel like they're trying to change me or disapprove of my lifestyle when they get me something that I CLEARLY wouldn't use. I guess I just can't wrap my head around that mentality. I'm like 2011mama in the way that I always go off of a registry when people have one. Those are things they explicitly WANT and/or NEED! Especially for a new mom, I would never just buy her something not on her registry unless I knew for sure that she would love it and use it. But I would never assume.

I feel the same way.  You said that so well!  Everyone knows that I am in to natural/organic too, and they really dont care and sometimes they even buy me something conventional because they think it is "just fine" and think I am being silly and obsessive about preferring natural stuff, and they thought they could teach me a lesson about how conventional products work just as well or better than those ridiculously expensive ones that I want.

My last baby shower, NO ONE got ANYTHING off of my registry!  The other reason why I would be offended is because I took the time to register and find all the things on there and add them and all that, and I feel like I totally wasted my time if people dont even bother to look at it!!

Last time when I was going to be a new mom, I of course needed everything, and people did what someone else said- bought a bunch of stuffed animals and some onsies, and Huggies, and that was what I got from everyone!  So, I had to buy everything that I actually NEEDED myself, and we did not and still do not have much money, so it was/is pretty frustrating.

[BananaBreadGirl]

I haven't read all the responses, but when our son was born we got two packages of disposables: Pampers and Huggies. We hadn't registered for any diapers and a lot of people knew we planned to use cloth. I think it was just some people's traditional gift...come to the hospital to visit, drop off a package of diapers. I don't have a problem with that.

We thought they would be great for our out of state trip when our son was 2-3 weeks old. We kicked ourselves for not taking the cloth diapers along, after a week of washing and sunning the carseat, his clothes, and our clothes, wiping puddles of pee off picnic tables, etc.  The only time we've used disposables since then is when we are on a plane ride, and then use cloth once we reach our destination. Disposables just don't hold in the newborn poop.

You can always return them somewhere, or use a few out of the package and then donate the rest to an organization or a friend!

[cameragirl]

Originally Posted by birdhappy85 

Are you actually able to return packs of diapers to Walmart without a receipt and without having known where the purchaser even got them at? I've never returned anything anywhere without a receipt before so I didn't know if some companies will actually allow that, especially if the items might not have been purchased there.

Babies R Us will do this if they sell the same thing in their store. It got tricky for us because they'd buy things at Toys R Us, and the stock is slightly different at Babies R Us. The boxes would be say, 108 diapers at one store, and 100 diapers at another. That made tracking down a place to exchange a little difficult.

[xakana]

Originally Posted by Abraisme 

You know, it might be good to get a random variety of diapers.  Naturally based or not.  Each diaper fits a baby differently and it might be good to know what works best on your baby.  If they don't get used (totally possible) you can give them away easily enough.  My friends and I have passed around many different brands of diapers that didn't fit our own babies well.  What worked on my DD might massively leak on another baby.

This, entirely. We got what we called "The wall of diapers" at my first baby shower. We REQUESTED disposables, however, and that, if nothing else, people buy a thing of diapers to help us out. We seriously didn't have to buy a diaper for 3 months, it was AWESOME. However, for someone who doesn't want disposables, unless it's the specific brand you requested? Well, you can trade them in a Target and BRU if they come with gift receipts or even without, if you like. But I agree with Abraisme--you never know what's going to work best for your baby until you try. Based on reviews alone, I won't get the natural diapers because of the number of reviewers that said they leak like crazy and aren't super obvious that baby wet them. We do pretty much half and half cloth and disposables for various reasons (like never having found a cloth diaper that didn't leak in a carseat and having a baby who consistently got rashes if she was in cloth at night, etc.).

[birdhappy85]

Thanks, all, for the replies!
 

I just had to share how excited I am right now! I've been visiting Craigslist daily to find people selling secondhand cloth diapers in my area so I can add more of a variety to my stash with little funds. It's been slow-going lately and not many people have been posting ads for CD's nor ones I'm interested in. But I hit the jackpot today! I'm so glad I looked when I did. I emailed this woman right away and thankfully I was the first person to email her and get first dibs because she said that she received a ton of emails after that! As silly as it sounds, it feels like it was meant to be. Almost all of the items she had listed were exactly the items I've been wanting to add to my stash! I'm getting the same brand wet/dry diaper bags I've been looking at, and she even had the Imse Vimse flushable diaper liners that jbk21 suggested on here and I was going to buy. The best part is that the woman only used some of the items once and others not at all, so it's literally brand new diapers for ridiculously low prices. GMD prefolds, bumGenius pocket diapers (one OS, one AIO I'm eager to try), more Thirsties duo wraps in prints and colors I don't have, a few Flips w/ inserts, and doublers that will really come in handy. Some of the items, never been used, are half off. I'm saving around $135!!! The only reason she is selling everything is because she had a lot on her plate when her daughter was born and ended up not having the time to dedicate to CDing like she wanted, and now she just needs the money and doesn't plan on having more children quite yet.

So I'm happy as a clam. I'm picking everything up tomorrow! I already have my other cloth diapers on display on the changing table in our nursery. LOL. I just think they're so cute, I like looking at them.

On another note, I was wondering if anybody here uses Dreft? (NOT for cloth diapering, I'm just asking in general for baby clothes) I know a lot of people here use natural detergents and probably stay away from Dreft. I was just wondering if anyone has personally had allergies to it themselves, or if your children have? My mom bought me a bottle of it and I'm still on the fence about using it. I might give it away or donate it, especially since I bought Country Save and am liking that. My cousin was so sweet and mailed me a package of baby clothes today. They were saturated with detergent, though, because the fragrance on the clothes was so strong from the moment I opened the box. I had the box sitting several feet away from me for just 10 minutes and I started getting a headache, breathing heavier, and I've been sneezing with a runny nose and dripping eyes still 6 hours later. I don't know what kind of detergent that was, but it got me thinking that maybe even the little bit of fragrance that Dreft has could do that to me too -- and/or my baby. I suppose I shouldn't even risk it. I just put all of those baby clothes through 2 washes with washing soda and extra rinses to get out the smell. The first round in the wash barely touched it! But I think I got it all out now. Whew.

[jbk21]

Dreft has the same ingredient list as Gain detergent, if that tells you anything.  There is a scented and unscented version- but unscented doesn't mean perfume-free, it just means there are perfumes used to neutralize other scents in the detergent so that it smells unscented.  If that makes sense :)  So it might irritate yours or baby's senses.  I would stick to something truly fragrance-free.  

[1love4ever]

Originally Posted by xakana 

 Based on reviews alone, I won't get the natural diapers because of the number of reviewers that said they leak like crazy and aren't super obvious that baby wet them. We do pretty much half and half cloth and disposables for various reasons (like never having found a cloth diaper that didn't leak in a carseat and having a baby who consistently got rashes if she was in cloth at night, etc.).

I read all the bad reviews about natural diapers, but tried them anyway, and the ones I have tried I liked, never had any probs.  I know that some natural diapers used to be bad but the companys updated them and now they work better, but the old reviews are still there.   But I have started cloth diapering now, and have been doing so for about 11 months and love it and highly prefer it to disposables- Huggies, or natural!

And I think Dreft is nasty and gives me a headache.  I've only smelled it at other peoples house, never used it, cant imagine using it.  Not environmentally friendly either!  I use Ecos from Walmart, it is really cheap, works good on my diapers and clothes, I dont have to order it on the internet, and its environmentally friendly and contains no synthetic nasty cancer causing fragrances!
 

[meesh933]

I got a sample of Dreft somewhere when my DD was tiny. I used it on the baby clothes, and OMG. It smelled horrible, and it left suds all over the washer, even after the cycle was complete. It was horrible. I washed the clothes like 3 times to get it all out.