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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

There's been a lot of talk here at MDC about people in our lives who are narcissist, and how this affects our relationships.  I read this article today,

 

http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/08/31/7544811-narcissists-know-theyre-annoying-study-suggests

 

I imagine this isn't really news to people living with narcissists! Interesting, none the less.

post #2 of 17

Lines right up with the sense of entitlement I've observed.  Oddly enough, DH and I sometimes qualify things about his mom by saying something like, "She probably doesn't realize she . . . " to give her the benefit of the doubt, but the point is probably that she DOES know and believes it's the way things should be.

 

The only positive change with MIL in particular has been to make sure she's hardly a presence in our lives.  The struggle has been in finding a healthy way to carry our family's history with her.

 

Thanks for posting.

post #3 of 17

What's worse is sociopaths, which is EXTREME narcisism. I think a person should always know red flags of people like these so they can avoid being seriously hurt. It's like carrying pepperspray while walking home at night. Keep yourself safe with information and research.

post #4 of 17

What I love is that in every article or book about narcissists, there is never any real advice (that I've found), other than stay away from them.  They explain at great length how to identify a narcissist, but not much more.  Even this article:  "When asked how best to handle the narcissists in our lives, Carlson suggests, "My guess is the trick is to use their desire for respect and status as a carrot to evoke positive changes."

 

Not much help for those of us who must deal with narcissists - for instance, a narcisstic ex who has visitation with a child.  It's not fun.

post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by MissLotus View Post

What I love is that in every article or book about narcissists, there is never any real advice (that I've found), other than stay away from them.  They explain at great length how to identify a narcissist, but not much more.  Even this article:  "When asked how best to handle the narcissists in our lives, Carlson suggests, "My guess is the trick is to use their desire for respect and status as a carrot to evoke positive changes."

 

Not much help for those of us who must deal with narcissists - for instance, a narcisstic ex who has visitation with a child.  It's not fun.



I totally agree. This baby's dad is narcissistic/sociopathic and I WILL bring this up to a judge when custody comes up so that hopefully I can argue he shouldn't be able to see his kid because he's not capable of real feelings. This baby's dad has even admitted that he is mentally ill and emotionally abusive and I have it on text record. thumb.gif

 

post #6 of 17

My ex knows he thinks he is better than everyone else.  Except he doesn't think it is a problem...well it is a problem that there are so many inferior people in the world but that makes them easy to manipulate.

 

he doesn't think he is annoying.  He thinks people are just envious about how great he is.

post #7 of 17

My DH is a megalomaniac, sounds much more interesting pretty much the same thing.  However he is Bipolar and he knows he's this way.  Since he's gone through therapy and his DR. pointed it out to him, he tries really hard to not sound like he's GOD.  And he can laugh at himself over the things he says and does.  There is help for people like this.  They have to learn not to be ego driven.  Which by the way we all are to some extent.  He's been doing a year long finding himself and letting go of his ego.  It's been good to see him be able to conversate with the regular folks... everyone else.

post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by IwannaBanRN View Post

What's worse is sociopaths, which is EXTREME narcisism. I think a person should always know red flags of people like these so they can avoid being seriously hurt. It's like carrying pepperspray while walking home at night. Keep yourself safe with information and research.



I just got a visual of blasting MIL with an aerosol version of "Toxic Parents." 

post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by Imakcerka View Post

My DH is a megalomaniac, sounds much more interesting pretty much the same thing.  However he is Bipolar and he knows he's this way.  Since he's gone through therapy and his DR. pointed it out to him, he tries really hard to not sound like he's GOD.  And he can laugh at himself over the things he says and does.  There is help for people like this.  They have to learn not to be ego driven.  Which by the way we all are to some extent.  He's been doing a year long finding himself and letting go of his ego.  It's been good to see him be able to conversate with the regular folks... everyone else.


If my DH wasn't essentially housebound, I would be 99% sure that we were married to the same person.
post #10 of 17

I was just thinking about you seawitch, wondering how you and your DH were doing. 

 

Some times Narcissists can be fun.  Sometimes.

post #11 of 17

I have trouble accepting the idea that this particular study says much about true narcissists. They seem to be taking a small study group, and labelling anyone with very high self-esteem and/or self-confidence as a narcissist. IME, the description of narcissism in the article is vastly over-simplified and applies to many people who aren't true narcissists...and doesn't apply to some people who are. I know one woman whom I suspect of true narcissism. She doesn't come across as particularly arrogant, condescending, etc. - but everything - and I mean everything - is about her. In three separate situations that I know of, someone close to her lost a loved one. The loved ones in question were all people she knew, but there's no question that the person close to her was closer (I'm talking about loved ones who lost a mother, a sibling and a child). In all three circumstances, she talked about her bad luck, how these things are always happening "to her", and went on endlessly about needing support. And, you know...I can see needing support in those situations. It's hard to watch a loved one go through such things. But, when the person in question is asking for support, and complaining about how hard it is on her, to the very people who lost their loved ones, it's a sign of something very wrong. This woman isn't arrogant. She's not condescedning. She doesn't come across as highly self-assured. She's not financially successful, etc. She's simply incapable of understanding that some things aren't about her. It doesn't compute.

 

The study is interesting. I just have my doubts about how much it says about true narcissism.

post #12 of 17

There certainly are different degrees of Narcissism. 

post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 

Here's one person's point of view:

 

http://www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/narcissism-definition.html

 

 

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everything - and I mean everything - is about her.

 

Storm Bride, that kind of drama is exhausting. 

post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by Storm Bride View Post

 

In three separate situations that I know of, someone close to her lost a loved one. The loved ones in question were all people she knew, but there's no question that the person close to her was closer (I'm talking about loved ones who lost a mother, a sibling and a child). In all three circumstances, she talked about her bad luck, how these things are always happening "to her", and went on endlessly about needing support....
 

The study is interesting. I just have my doubts about how much it says about true narcissism.


OMG -- you are describing my sister!!! I'm sitting here having flash backs of my grandmother's funeral, and my sister having a melt down and screaming at my mother and aunt (my grandmother's only surviving children), "I just lost my grandmother! You have no idea what I'm going through!"

 

I agree with you about the study. It would be different if they had started with people how could be classified as having a narcissistic personality disorder, but they didn't.

 

post #15 of 17
Ha, I checked out the narcissistic mothers forum. Wow they all have my mother! And now that I think about it, she doesn't know she's that out there. I used to wonder why the world had to revolve around her. Why she wore a white dress at my wedding. Why she thought it was ok to call me and my sister fat and tell us we looked terrible all the time. Why she would spend so much money on her upkeep (clothes, make up, gym memberships) and we wore clothes handed down to us.

She still tells me she was a better mother than I'll ever be, has a better body, is much smarter and everyone thinks she's wonderful. Seriously she really believes she lights up every room she enters. And if others don't recognize it they're jealous. My sister and I are no longer hurt by it. We now make fun of it. Terrible, but geez it eases the sting of her crazies!
post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by MissLotus View Post

What I love is that in every article or book about narcissists, there is never any real advice (that I've found), other than stay away from them.  They explain at great length how to identify a narcissist, but not much more.  Even this article:  "When asked how best to handle the narcissists in our lives, Carlson suggests, "My guess is the trick is to use their desire for respect and status as a carrot to evoke positive changes."

I agree with you. But I think the problem is that there is very little you can do.

As for that author's suggestion, ha ha! To be able to change, a narcissist has to be able to accept that a criticism of their behavior is valid. True narcissists do NOT do well with criticism. Their egos are so fragile, like a balloon. All blown up out of proportion, but thin and with nothing inside. They had a powerful rage to protect that balloon from being popped, and if you try it can spiral them down into a horrible depression. Very unproductive.
Edited by Spring Lily - 12/20/11 at 5:47pm
post #17 of 17

That makes sense - I've read and fully believe that narcissism is one of the disorders that is hardest to "cure".  I just wish there was some way it was more widely recongized - by judges, for example.  Coming again from the perspective who has to "co-parent" with a narcissistic ex, well, it's just impossible.  A narcissist won't even follow the boundaries of a legal agreement at times because:  It's a boundary!  That alone makes him resentful from the get-go.  A narcissist will never agree to anything, even the simplest idea, without creating a stink because to simply "give in" would be a blow to his ego.  A narcissist is incapable of putting the needs of a child first, because they never see outside of their own needs.  It honestly and truly is impossible to co-parent with someone like this, or to trust such a person with a child, so I wish courts would recognize that and not force joint custody (either physical or even legal.... because that involves joint decision making which is, again, IMPOSSIBLE with a narcissist who only cares about getting his way). 

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