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post #61 of 65
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Originally Posted by kathymuggle View Post

 

Another thing, and while I know many people dislike the slippery-slope argument, I do find it has some validity.  Should a doctor dismiss a parent for allowing their kid to get fat?  Not exercise?  A parent for smoking?  Should a GP be able to dismiss me for being fat? All of the above have far higher risk factors than vaccination status.  

 

Part of me thinks a doctor should be able by law to dismiss a patient (maybe not in Canada where they are paid for by taxes, and would thus be beholden to government guidelines on providing care) but being allowed to does not equal should.  Dismissing a patient for anything but extreme non compliance on big issues seems off and cold to me.



No I really get it about the slippery slope argument. I don't think a doctor should be able to dismiss you for those personal qualities, healthy or no.

 

I do think a doctor should be allowed to ask his or her patients to follow the standard of care he ascribes to.

 

As in my example before, I was dismissed by an ob/gyn and moved on to another. I wish I'd known beforehand about the standard before I spent my $125 but that's life. Vax as a standard is well known and pretty universal, but I still don't think it's the norm to kick non-vaxxed kids to the curb, is it? I had a friend and her little one over for dinner tonight and he is completely unvaxxed with the same ped we go to, no problem. Maybe we just live in a more crunchy community and the practices are all dealing with it.

 

Possibly a doc who would go so far as to dismiss over vax thinks it is a big issue.

 

post #62 of 65
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I do think a doctor should be allowed to ask his or her patients to follow the standard of care he ascribes to.

 

Then I think they need to be clear about standard of care ahead of time.  This can be tricky, though, as who know what might come up in health?

 

Vax as a standard is well known and pretty universal, but I still don't think it's the norm to kick non-vaxxed kids to the curb, is it?   I have never been kicked to a curb.  

 

It can take a while to get a doctor where I live.  If numerous doctors decided (slippery slope and maybe too hypothetical) that they will not accept non-vaxxers, it could create a class of kids who lack medical care.  How is this good for children?

 

 

 



 

post #63 of 65

Well I don't know what the answer is legally or morally, I just have my tidbit thoughts about the whole thing as a parent and a user of doctors. No it's not good for a whole class of children to not have medical care. It's sad if it comes to even one child refused. Parents have hard choices to make for their little ones these days.

 

 

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I sort of get why a specialist would fire a non-compliant patient, particularly if there is a wait-list.  An example might be a cardiologist - if you refuse to make lifestyle changes and/or take you meds (and refuse to even explore doing those thing), what is the point in seeing the doctor?  

 

A pediatrician and certainly a GP are quite different, though.  They do so much more that vaxxing!  It seems a little power trippy to fire a patient from a generalist type practice  over one thing.

 



This is more or less where I fall, too. If a cardiology patient won't follow the doctor's treatment plan, then the doctor can't do anything for them, and the patient is just wasting the doctor's time and money. But, if the patient of a GP or pediatrician doesn't follow one aspect of the doctor's advised treatment, the doctor can still do a lot for them in other areas. If a child isn't vaxed, the ped can still do well child checks, respond to other concerns, diagnose other issues, perform follow up visits, etc.  For example, ds1 got a concussion a couple of weeks ago, and needed to see his family doctor for a follow-up, just to get the all clear. His vax status has nothing to do with that. (He's also been in over the years to investigate an irregularity in his knee joint, follow-up for a broken finger, antiobiotics when his eardrum ruptured - not much else, as he's a very healthy young man, but he's needed the doctor for a variety of reasons.) But, if he were a heart patient, his willingness to make lifestyle changes, take meds, etc. would have a lot to do with his cardiologist's ability to do anything for him.

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Why would you hold a ped or GP to a different standard? They are highly skilled professionals the same as a cardiologist.

 

I didn't see anything that suggested that she holds a GP or ped to a different standard. She's simply acknowledging that they have a very different scope. If you're only treating a patient for one condition, and the patient doesn't cooperate with your treatment plan, then there's no reason for the patient to be there. If you're treating a patient for a huge variety of things. We rarely see our GP, but he's treated me and/or my family for broken bones, warts, bronchitis, severe ear infections, prenatal care, well baby checks, and an initial referral for an autism evaluation...as well as a couple of other blood tests over the years - his practice partner and wife has also provided me with prenatal care, and provides my sister with most of her routine monitoring for a heart condition. He provides a tremendously valuable service to our family, and it would be a shame to lose all those things, because my kids aren't fully vaxed.

 

Heck I think any professional might dismiss you if you didn't want to follow their advice. Would your accountant keep you if you refused to pay taxes? Maybe not.

 

I don't know about all accountants, but I've worked with/for several. Every one of them would give their advice, take the client's money, and wash their hands of it. They provide the advice, and accept that their clients aren't always going to do what they recommend. They've all seen it as their job to provide expertise, and give their client advice about maximizing returns, staying out of legal trouble, etc. They don't see it as their job to make sure their clients take orders. (I'm not saying this is true of all accountants, but it's been pretty consistent among the ones I've known.)

 

 

Edit to remove something that will just come across as a rant. I sometimes have trouble keeping my dislike of the medical profession under control.

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