Originally Posted by erigeron
Doctors aren't the only people who have this background. But I think it's safe to say that a lot of laypeople who say they "did research" do not have the necessary background, and thus their interpretations are suspect... which was basically the point of my post.
I don't think that's "safe to say" at all. The assumption that "laypeople" lack the competence to do their own research is an unsubstantiated and dangerously patronizing generalization. Midwives supposedly attract a highly educated clientele, women with either graduate education or at least a helluva lot of brains. You may be surprised just how competent a lot of these women can be.
But if you insist, Erigeron, that we lowly laypeople defer to physicians on these topics, I will happily do so....beginning with Drs. Marsden Wagner, Stuart Fischbein, Henry Dorn, William Sears,
Simone Buitendijk, Elizabeth Allemann.....
I didn't insist on any such thing. You're putting words in my mouth.
My intent was not to put words in your mouth, and I apologize if that didn't come across clearly. Respectfully, however, my point is that after weighing the evidence, as they hopefully have, different doctors come to different conclusions. And I find the conclusions of the aforementioned individuals a lot more compelling than the creative sophistry and misogynistic drivel of who-know-who's blog.
I do, however, think that Dr. Amy cherry-picks her articles to some degree. I wasn't a fan of, for instance, her conclusion on EFM either. She certainly has her blind spots and I don't take her opinion, or that of any doctor, as gospel. But sometimes it's nice to read something written by somebody who actually *understands* that quoting the abstract as if it proves anything, saying "X hasn't been proven safe", calling obstetricians "surgeons", and other such behaviors that drive me batty, are Bad Science.
I'm glad to hear that you are level-headed enough not to take everything that one person says at face value. This is the kind of critical thinking that got me into the out-of-hospital birthing center in the first place.
I agree that it is intellectually irresponsible to read an abstract, jump with glee that it confirms your bias, and then cite it as see-told-ya-so "evidence."
And on a final note, I'm sorry if it drives you "batty" to hear this fact, but obstetricians ARE surgical specialists as defined by the American College of Surgeons.