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post #41 of 61

Holy guacamole.  An adult dose of Tdap in a newborn?  


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Originally Posted by katiemaeeee View Post

So, a bit off-topic, but a baby born the day after our DD in the next room was accidentally given the dtap, meant for the mother instead of the Hep B vaccine just hours after birth.

Because our experience was so stressful I almost forgot about this til right now.

 

I understand mistakes are made, but seriously!!!???



 

post #42 of 61
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Originally Posted by katiemaeeee View Post

So, a bit off-topic, but a baby born the day after our DD in the next room was accidentally given the dtap, meant for the mother instead of the Hep B vaccine just hours after birth.

Because our experience was so stressful I almost forgot about this til right now.

 

I understand mistakes are made, but seriously!!!???


I think this is a really good lesson in why you should always, always make them draw the vial in front of you. Verify it's the right vaccine, ask to save the package insert (will have the batch number), and have them draw that vial in your presence. Nurses are great, but they're human like the rest of us, and we all make mistakes. A few simple requests on the part of the parents could have prevented an accident like that. When it comes to vaccines, or ANY medical care for that matter, don't be afraid to verify verify verify!
post #43 of 61

I totally agree Italiamom. I'm not sure what, if any, vaccines we'll be doing, but whichever ones we decide will be drawn in the room with us!! My goodness.

post #44 of 61

how did you all go about deciding which vaccines to do????

post #45 of 61

Researched what each vaccine was for, decided if we were high risk for that or not, and if we were not we didn't do it.  If I was more worried about the illness vs the vaccine, I went with the vaccine.

post #46 of 61


We do vax, except for Hep B. I am very comfortable with our choice.

post #47 of 61
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Originally Posted by Baby_Cakes View Post

Researched what each vaccine was for, decided if we were high risk for that or not, and if we were not we didn't do it.  If I was more worried about the illness vs the vaccine, I went with the vaccine.


That's the problem with Dtap for me. They are both equally scary. I honestly do not know what to do. I'm so comfortable with not vaccinating at all the first couple years - all except this one. I guess I really need to do a bit more reading on Pertussis and see just what causes death/hospitalization and how that can be avoided. If it were just us and the baby I'd be more relaxed. But I have two germy kids that have already given dh and I the flu since I've had Finn.
post #48 of 61

Absolutely, and I think any one who doesn't is dangerous and ill informed.

 

Vaccines are safe for the vast majority of people. The question has been scientifically settled. There are a handful of children with known mitochondrial disorders or specific food allergies for whom the risks of vaccines are greater, and these children should not be vaccinated. That only makes it more important for everyone else to get routine childhood vaccinations. Of course, I can tell you that...and someone on here will chime in with purported vaccine harm. What can I do? You can never prove never.  I can't prove that I am unable to fly. I can jump off my roof a million times, flap my arms, and not fly. I can try it a billion times and never lift off the ground. That doesn’t prove I can’t fly. It only makes it statistically unlikely. That is the problem with vaccine safety. We can say that vaccines are safe...that they are tested...but we cannot prove it didn't cause, say, autism or diabetes just like I cannot prove that the tooth fairy is not real.

 

I can tell you that the incidence of vaccine harm is really low. I can tell you that vaccines undergo more testing than any other drug. Your kid is more likely to be damaged by a new medication than a shot. And I can tell you that the myth of vaccine "overload" is based on nonsense. (Back when kids got one shot - the smallpox vaccine - the viral load was to the tune of 2000. Today, that is three times what children receive in all vaccines combined. Whenever a kid gets the slightest paper cut, and some portion of the trillion or so bacteria sitting around on the surface of that kid’s skin infiltrates that kid’s immune system, the kid is “vaccinated” in quantities that dwarf the comparatively minuscule load of those 26 inoculations.) 
 

But a lot of people prefer dogma to science, and are willing to risk public health in the process.
 

post #49 of 61


 

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Originally Posted by NatureMom2Two View Post

Absolutely, and I think any one who doesn't is dangerous and ill informed.


 


Wow really?!?

 

 

NOPE we dont vax, at all... I guess we are dangerous and ill informed!?

 

Vaccines havent even been around long enough to see what long term affect they have on children. once you inject your child you can NEVER take it back. If you are unsure about everything in and about the vaccine , wait and research.

 

Ill informed:  Lets see how about the cases where children, infants, women and men are scared for life, or have died unnecessarily from the ingredients in these crazy vac's? and  these for sure have not been brought out to the public attention because of the fear of pharmaceutical  companies not making anymore money, which are by far one of the top money makers and as we know medicinal companies at large have a lot of "pull" in this crazy government. and the government certainly doesn't want to loose money...dont get me started.

 

Personally, we arent mainstream and dont just "go with the flow" because our doctor (speaking of.. we dont even have one, nor have had one for years, they are all full of crap IMO, never found one that could explain whats in the vaccinations they are wanting to inject in my child, if they dont have a explanation, or know what the side effects are.. thats not good enough for me) "says so"... I have researched vaccinations and dont feel comfortable injecting my children with monkey cells, formaldehyde , and other crap like that. Ill take my chances thank you.

 

oh well, to each his own. just be sure you know what is being injected in your childs body, and remember you can never take it back.

 

post #50 of 61
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Originally Posted by Birdie B. View Post


We do vax, except for Hep B. I am very comfortable with our choice.


I got that one as a teenager and that seemed reasonable. I figure that's how we'll do Charlie, too :)

 

post #51 of 61
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Originally Posted by veggiemomto2 View Post



That's the problem with Dtap for me. They are both equally scary. I honestly do not know what to do. I'm so comfortable with not vaccinating at all the first couple years - all except this one. I guess I really need to do a bit more reading on Pertussis and see just what causes death/hospitalization and how that can be avoided. If it were just us and the baby I'd be more relaxed. But I have two germy kids that have already given dh and I the flu since I've had Finn.


See that's just it, your situation changed.  If DD were starting preschool this month or something, I'd rethink vaxes for Finn too.  You just have to weigh EVERYTHING.

 

 

post #52 of 61

There are EU schedules that are way less crowded, look up the Icelandic schedule. Sorry to hijack your thread guys, it's an ongoing discussion in our house. We do have a family history of reactions so we take it slowly. We only do one at a time and we started at 2.5 years.

post #53 of 61

I am with the vaccinating Moms, I get the other side but I'm not afraid of the vaccines.  If I see any reactions or if there was a family history then that's a different situation.  But I believe that they do more good than they do harm.  As for the Autism argument, the research that was done on that has been largely debunked.  So that is a non issue for me. 

post #54 of 61
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Originally Posted by copper.kettle View Post

Tina, my ped office will make me a "nurse visit" if it's just for a vax.  It takes 5 min, and there's no copay because it's not a real dr visit.  They don't usually give a hassle, they're just happy the kid is getting the shots, in my experience.

 

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Originally Posted by Baby_Cakes View Post

This is how it works for us, too.  I just schedule a nurse visit.  No copay for those.  It literally takes a minute -- no waiting in the waiting room, no waiting for the dr.  Just a quick in and out.  Takes longer to drive there.  

 

So many people are off schedule or doing a follow up schedule that they don't realize I'm doing anything different (as in making my OWN schedule).  No hassles, no problems at all.  
 


Thanks for the feedback, I just went in to the ped today for the 1 month check up (how is DS already a month old?!!!) and this is what they do as well. And I was totally surprised at the fact that it was a non-issue that I would delay the Hep B until adolescence and use a delayed vax schedule for the other ones. :) 

 

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Question for those of you who have vaxed in the past:

 

Any tips for making the experience less painful? I'm going to put DS on a delayed schedule, which unfortunately means more visits to the ped, and I'd like to reduce the pain as much as possible. I'll definitely nurse him during, because that completely distracted him during his multiple heel pricks when we were testing a lot during his jaundice 'adventure,'  but what else is there?  

 

Also, I've heard mixed messages about giving Tylenol/Motrin for vaxes. Thoughts?

 

post #55 of 61
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Originally Posted by Inali View Post

I am with the vaccinating Moms, I get the other side but I'm not afraid of the vaccines.  If I see any reactions or if there was a family history then that's a different situation.  But I believe that they do more good than they do harm.  As for the Autism argument, the research that was done on that has been largely debunked.  So that is a non issue for me. 



Yeah, that's pretty much how I feel, too.

post #56 of 61

I'm not afraid of the vaccines but I don't agree with so many at once in tiny infants and children.  It's not only about autism, which like you said, the research has widely debunked any correlation.  

 

Anyway, I wouldn't give motrin or tylenol before a vax, only b/c it could mask a fever.  A low fever is normal but a high one might be a reaction and I'd want a true reading on that.

post #57 of 61
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Originally Posted by Baby_Cakes View Post

Anyway, I wouldn't give motrin or tylenol before a vax, only b/c it could mask a fever.  A low fever is normal but a high one might be a reaction and I'd want a true reading on that.



That's a good thing to keep in mind!

post #58 of 61

i thought they couldn't have motrin 'til 6 mo?

post #59 of 61
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Originally Posted by copper.kettle View Post

i thought they couldn't have motrin 'til 6 mo?


I think they've bumped it down to 2 months now, meaning it would be safe to give at the 2 month series.  But I agree with Carrie, that both Motrin or Tylenol can mask a serious reaction...

 

post #60 of 61


Are you even a member of this ddc?
 

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Originally Posted by NatureMom2Two View Post

Absolutely, and I think any one who doesn't is dangerous and ill informed.

 

Vaccines are safe for the vast majority of people. The question has been scientifically settled. There are a handful of children with known mitochondrial disorders or specific food allergies for whom the risks of vaccines are greater, and these children should not be vaccinated. That only makes it more important for everyone else to get routine childhood vaccinations. Of course, I can tell you that...and someone on here will chime in with purported vaccine harm. What can I do? You can never prove never.  I can't prove that I am unable to fly. I can jump off my roof a million times, flap my arms, and not fly. I can try it a billion times and never lift off the ground. That doesn’t prove I can’t fly. It only makes it statistically unlikely. That is the problem with vaccine safety. We can say that vaccines are safe...that they are tested...but we cannot prove it didn't cause, say, autism or diabetes just like I cannot prove that the tooth fairy is not real.

 

I can tell you that the incidence of vaccine harm is really low. I can tell you that vaccines undergo more testing than any other drug. Your kid is more likely to be damaged by a new medication than a shot. And I can tell you that the myth of vaccine "overload" is based on nonsense. (Back when kids got one shot - the smallpox vaccine - the viral load was to the tune of 2000. Today, that is three times what children receive in all vaccines combined. Whenever a kid gets the slightest paper cut, and some portion of the trillion or so bacteria sitting around on the surface of that kid’s skin infiltrates that kid’s immune system, the kid is “vaccinated” in quantities that dwarf the comparatively minuscule load of those 26 inoculations.) 
 

But a lot of people prefer dogma to science, and are willing to risk public health in the process.
 



The only vax series I do is Hep B, starting at birth.  My family has the disease, so the health department makes this one mandatory for me.  Otherwise my kids are vax free, including my seven year old (who has maybe been sick twice in her entire life).

 

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