spermicide and diaphragms.

[LionessMom]

i have been using condoms with no nonoxynol-9. that stuff gives me yeast so bad. but dh doesnt want to use them all the time. but we only use them when i am fertile. so i was thinking about maybe using a diaphragm sometimes. but i was told that i had to use a spermicide with it. is there a non- nonoxynol-9 spermicide out there that i could get easily? i see one that i can order from the uk but i cant really do that. any thoughts? 

[LionessMom]

how about anything homemade??

i am assuming (i crack up when i say that....) that since there are views but no answers that no one really knows. hmmm. guess if i find something i will post it.

[1love4ever]

did u find anything?  do you know if you have  to use a spermicide or is it optional?

[LionessMom]

the cap doesnt seal well enough to block out the sperm so you need something to kill the ones that get by. i did find some natural stuff but it was all order over the internet and too  much for me. as you can tell by my siggy.... i wont have to worry about it for awhile. lol.

[rubyjune]

Hey.. When I used a diaphragm, I had the same problem, more like raging allergy... and my Dr suggested just using KY or some other "jelly" to block the sperm. Of course, this does lower effectiveness, but it did work for us for a year or so with no oops..your mileage may vary

on an other note..I have EDS type 3 also

k

[LionessMom]

Originally Posted by rubyjune 

Hey.. When I used a diaphragm, I had the same problem, more like raging allergy... and my Dr suggested just using KY or some other "jelly" to block the sperm. Of course, this does lower effectiveness, but it did work for us for a year or so with no oops..your mileage may vary

on an other note..I have EDS type 3 also

k

interesting. maybe i will give that a try again next time. 

i am seeing more and more people being diagnosed with type 3. they are saying now that it is more common that they originally thought. nice to meet a fellow zebra!

[rubyjune]

Yep, healing another dislocated finger as I type...lovely shade of blue though. Tried to hold on to a wet dog escaping his bath.

I wonder if the allergies / super sensitive skin issues that I have are linked to  EDS. Thinking collagen holds the layers of skin together, therefore a lack would case the histamine to run crazy between the layers increasing sensitivity..and leading to hives. But I haven't found any real research on it so It is just the mad  ponderings of one person.

[LionessMom]

Originally Posted by rubyjune 

Yep, healing another dislocated finger as I type...lovely shade of blue though. Tried to hold on to a wet dog escaping his bath.

I wonder if the allergies / super sensitive skin issues that I have are linked to  EDS. Thinking collagen holds the layers of skin together, therefore a lack would case the histamine to run crazy between the layers increasing sensitivity..and leading to hives. But I haven't found any real research on it so It is just the mad  ponderings of one person.

i am told that eds can be linked to  mast cell issues. which heightens allergies etc. for example, i am slightly allergic to everything that grows and intolerant of almost everything to eat. eating sugar causes scalp psoriasis to flare up. they say mast cells are mostly found in the gut and on the scalp etc. i havent done too much research but dr. diana. driscoll has some good theories. 

[minuway]

I have a bad reaction to spermicide coated condoms, but I've been using spermicide with my diaphram for the last 18 months with no problems. It doesn't get all over as much with the diaphram, kwim? I'm glad I tried it, because I don't want to use hormonal methods, and neither of us like condoms. The brand I use is http://www.drugstore.com/options-gynol-ii-vaginal-contraceptive-jelly/qxp12652

[Altair]

I can't use hormones, and the spermicide really bothered me, so I read some studies that you could use the diaphragm with just lube or nothing. I was pregnant within a few months! The non hormonal IUD seems to be my only effective option.

[Mom2SammyJoe]

I am not allergic to n-9, but I have noticed that the stores that used to carry it no longer do. I like to use the diaphragm with charting between kids. I joined this yahoo group that has lots of information, including a few recipes for homemade spermicide. One of them contains aloe vera and lemon juice. We will likely use that after this baby because of the lack of spermicide availability in my area. You have to be a member to access the info, but that it is easy to do.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DiaphragmsAndCaps/

[1love4ever]

ohhhhhhh, i couldnt put an estrogen/cancer causing chemical up there!  no parabens for me....
 

Originally Posted by minuway 

I have a bad reaction to spermicide coated condoms, but I've been using spermicide with my diaphram for the last 18 months with no problems. It doesn't get all over as much with the diaphram, kwim? I'm glad I tried it, because I don't want to use hormonal methods, and neither of us like condoms. The brand I use is http://www.drugstore.com/options-gynol-ii-vaginal-contraceptive-jelly/qxp12652

[justgonnadoulait]

Google natural spermicide. It's but that expensive and can be ordered online. I'll be using that and fertility beads to avoid getting pregnant here shortly.

[1love4ever]

Tell me more about fertility beads?  Do you have a website or anything where you order the natural spermicide from?  I just read something on mercola.com about lemon being an excellent spermicide, and you can put a slice of lemon over your cervix and it does the job.  My only question would be would it irritate my skin in there?  Cause problems with PH balance, itching, yeast, etc?

I also just came across this article http://kellymom.com/bf/normal/fertility/  and has made me feel a little better about becoming pregnant these first 6 months after baby.  I was practicing ecological breastfeeding without even realizing it:)   With DD I used a pacifier, pumped, and was away from her for 3hrs at a time on weekdays, so certainly not ecological BFing:) 

A friend of mine said she has had 100% success with NFP, but I am not quite sure how to go about doing that....

Anyway, I'd love to learn more about what you are planning on doing justgonnadoulait, and if it has worked for you before?

[justgonnadoulait]

I'm still exploring these things as well.  I've seen fertility beads online, but been wanting to talk to someone more about it because it's a set number of beads, usually 28, so I'm not sure what to do if I have a 30 day cycle or if stress elongates my cycle.  I haven't had my flow return so I haven't been too proactive about it yet because charting and fertility beads don't work until there is a cycle to monitor.  

I've also wondered about the lemon.  

http://ladytobaby.com/show.php?item=257 this is hte link to the natural spermicide.

Sorry it took so long to respond.  DD has required my full attention

[1love4ever]

Well I just got my cycle back after only 4.5 months after baby.  I was practicing ecological BFing so I am kinda confused as to why I got it back so early!  Ugh!  I'm not quite sure where to start when charting but I'd like to go that route.  All I can find is a bunch of books to read about it, which I do not have time to do.