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post #21 of 51

I don't know.

 

Of course people are going to have sex, and many of them will have more than one partner, start younger than others, etc.

 

However, I think everyone should know the consequences of their behaviour. IMNSHO  there are numerous good reasons to avoid early sexual activity and many sexual partners.  I get my girls may make different decisions than I have in this regard, but they should know the information.  

 

Early sexual experience and multiple sex partners are linked with increased risk of cervical cancer (among other things).  So is smoking.  
Condoms may reduce risk.

 

I agree with you that the choice to vaccinate or not should come down to how safe and effective you think the vax is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #22 of 51

The problem with the issue of whether or not it's "safe" is that it is so new that long-term effects are not known yet.

 

http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/sane-vax-inc-discovers-potential-bio-hazard-contaminant-in-merck%E2%80%99s-gardasil%E2%84%A2-hpv-4-vaccine/

post #23 of 51


 

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Originally Posted by kathymuggle View Post

 

However, I think everyone should know the consequences of their behaviour. IMNSHO  there are numerous good reasons to avoid early sexual activity and many sexual partners.


I totally agree with you and my DD's and I have very open conversations about this.

 

But they are conversations, not lectures with answers.

 

There are lots of reasons to delay sex until adulthood, and I personally think the best reasons are emotional reasons rather than biological reasons. For teens who have sex using 2 forms of birthcontrol, one of them being a condemn, the biological risk are extremely low. But there are still good reasons to delay.

 

None the less, this is a deeply personally decision that each of our teens will make for his/her self. Not something we can decide or take credit for, and not something I personally think is wise to make health care choices based on.

 

Because even if they delay, they can still be exposed once they are adults. Even once they are married.

post #24 of 51

Obviously people will eventually have sex, but one needn't throw up their hands and say "teens will be teens!" Yes, some teens will be sexually active, and some will not. Luckily, both of mine and I have a good enough relationship to be able to talk about issues openly, honestly and w/o rancor or judgment. My youngest (17) knows I'd prefer her to wait a whiel yet, but she also knows that if she chooses otherwise, all she has to do is let me know and I will help her choose how best to protect herself.

post #25 of 51
At this point as long as I don't use my mothers vast knowledge about sex... I'm golden

You can get pregnant by kissing
You can get a sick vagina, by touching it. Any touching at all!
You can die from having sex.
Everyone will know if you had sex, because you'll look dirty and smell bad.
You will go to hell if you have sex before you get married, and no amount of repenting will get you out of that one.
Only a married couple can have a normal baby, all others will be evil. (that means you may be getting a sick vagina if it was touched... what to do, what to do...)
Bastard children will cause you hardship and suffering you deserve, and god will not love you anymore. But he will pity you and I will have to pity you too.

There are more and when I bring this up to my mother she laughs about it. She thought scaring me would make me not do it. Or maybe she believed it after getting a case of the sick vagina...
post #26 of 51
No, we will be refusing both Cervavix and Gardisil. Gardisil especailly is so dangerous that its been banned by France, Spain and India because of healthy girls dropping dead after the shot.

We also have a young friend who used to be a swimmer, runner and do lacrosse... now she feels ill all the time and has panic attacks. Her high school life is now a living hell. The symptoms started withing hours after her second shot.


Instead, my teen daughter has regular well women care by ourl CNM that we both adore.
post #27 of 51
Thread Starter 

 

Quote:
You can get pregnant by kissing
You can get a sick vagina, by touching it. Any touching at all!
You can die from having sex.
Everyone will know if you had sex, because you'll look dirty and smell bad.
You will go to hell if you have sex before you get married, and no amount of repenting will get you out of that one.
Only a married couple can have a normal baby, all others will be evil. (that means you may be getting a sick vagina if it was touched... what to do, what to do...)
Bastard children will cause you hardship and suffering you deserve, and god will not love you anymore. But he will pity you and I will have to pity you too.

There are more and when I bring this up to my mother she laughs about it. She thought scaring me would make me not do it. Or maybe she believed it after getting a case of the sick vagina...

Omg...spitdrink.gif Im not sure if its appropriate to laugh or not but...

 

Wait a minute!!

Did it work tho?!?! I was all concerned about what I should be telling my girls! I totally forgot to mention a sick vagina!! They're at youth club, Im gonna text them RIGHT NOW!!!

 

I have a 10 yo son too, whats your mom's advice to pubescent boys?

post #28 of 51

My oldest (a boy) will definitely get the vaccine in 2 years when he is the right age. My second son and my daughter will get it as well. HPV is VERY prevalent and linked to many types of cancer as well as warts (genital and occasionally oral/throat). I have many friends who have had to have surgeries on their cervices and throats due to HPV. The vaccine carries few risks and HPV carries many-- I'm nowhere near the fence on this one. 

I also plan to teach my kids that the best protection against pregnancy and STDs is abstinence (I have already told my school-aged kids this) but I also plan to arm them with knowledge of other ways to prevent pregnancy and STDs for whenever they choose to be sexually active.

post #29 of 51

Anyone have any numbers on how Gardasil weighs up against regular pap smears? When I was 23, I had pre-cancerous cervical cells discovered following a pap smear. They biopsied and froze them off and I had much more frequent paps for a number of years afterwards, until they started to consistently come back normal. So, IME, the paps are a pretty good way to handle the risk as well. I am old enough to be pre-gardasil :)

 

 

post #30 of 51
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Anyone have any numbers on how Gardasil weighs up against regular pap smears? When I was 23, I had pre-cancerous cervical cells discovered following a pap smear. They biopsied and froze them off and I had much more frequent paps for a number of years afterwards, until they started to consistently come back normal. So, IME, the paps are a pretty good way to handle the risk as well. I am old enough to be pre-gardasil :)

 

 


A couple of years back I had a project on cervarix (I'm a translator), so I had to research it a lot. Pap smears are very effective in detecting lesions and abnormal cells, however the concern is that most young girls may not be comfortable asking their parents to take them to an OB/GYN, or usually make little of the importance of such a test, etc. so any lesions are allowed to progress to the point where they are no longer treatable. The main thought is that the vaccine would be preventative, as opposed to a pap smear which is more diagnostic.

 

The rationale for this vaccine is quite sound I guess, and it is the only preventative option for cancer available right now. If I had a daughter that would be old enough to have it now though, I too would be concerned about how new this vaccine is and the fact that it has not been given to the population long enough to positively know if there are any issues with it.

 

The vaccine is especially recommended for young girls who have not had sex yet, as well as those who have not had multiple partners (that reduces the risk of them having already contracted the virus). However, their makers claim that all young women up to the age of approx. 27 (where they supposedly go steady with a partner Sheepish.gif) may benefit from it.

post #31 of 51
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The vaccine is especially recommended for young girls who have not had sex yet, as well as those who have not had multiple partners (that reduces the risk of them having already contracted the virus). However, their makers claim that all young women up to the age of approx. 27 (where they supposedly go steady with a partner Sheepish.gif) may benefit from it.



Is that actually the arguement (why they only recommend it through age 26)? 

post #32 of 51
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Originally Posted by Linda on the move View Post

 

There are lots of reasons to delay sex until adulthood, and I personally think the best reasons are emotional reasons rather than biological reasons. For teens who have sex using 2 forms of birthcontrol, one of them being a condemn, the biological risk are extremely low. But there are still good reasons to delay.

 

 

I know that was a typo but I was laughing at using a "condemn" as one of two forms of birth control. Does that involve a mother telling her daughter "I condemn you! You are evil, evil girl if you have sex!! You will get a sick vagina and have abnormal children."? I definitely think you would need two forms of birth control if that is one of the forms. winky.gif

 

Gardisil doesn't mean you can skip pap smears. I have also wondered what the point of getting it if you get regular pap smears. But a lot of women don't. And pap smears don't prevent genital warts, doesn't Gardisil? I'm not completely sure, maybe it is against some strains that cause warts? My cousin got warts when she was like 21 (and so did her friend, from the same guy...who happened to be married to someone else at the time grossedout.gif) and they were a big pain for her to get treated.

 

I thought the 26 year age limit was supposedly the time by which most women have started having sex. I can't imagine it is a hard and fast rule though. Would a doctor refuse to vaccinate a 27 year old virgin? Or would they still give it to a 17 year old who has had multiple partners?

post #33 of 51

well the premise is that it is best to get the vaccine before you start having sex (ideally) or as early as possible after that, because the more partners you have, the more likely it is to contract HPV and/ or warts. So, for a woman in her 30s with an x number of partners, it may not be as beneficial, as it is quite likely that she already has the virus. Plus, I think it is also age-related, the younger you are, the better your chances at making enough antibodies to protect you. A doctor may not refuse it either in an older woman or a younger girl with many partners, but these situations diminish your chance of full protection. That is why they recommend it for 11,12,13-year-olds. And of course having the vaccine does not mean that you completely skip your pap smears, they are supposed to work together.

post #34 of 51

As far as the age limits go, I had a doctor rather sheepishly offer it to me in my mid 30s. I asked him what was the point, and he said probably none, but he was "supposed" to offer it to all his female patients. 

post #35 of 51
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Omg...spitdrink.gif Im not sure if its appropriate to laugh or not but...

 

Wait a minute!!

Did it work tho?!?! I was all concerned about what I should be telling my girls! I totally forgot to mention a sick vagina!! They're at youth club, Im gonna text them RIGHT NOW!!!

 

I have a 10 yo son too, whats your mom's advice to pubescent boys?


Did it work? I didn't have sex til I moved out of my parents house and my roommate dispelled all their myths. So yes it worked. However once I found out it was all lies... I hit up all branches of the military... except the coast guard... Yup I was an Air mattress.
post #36 of 51
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Originally Posted by Imakcerka View Post

At this point as long as I don't use my mothers vast knowledge about sex... I'm golden

You can get pregnant by kissing
You can get a sick vagina, by touching it. Any touching at all!
You can die from having sex.
Everyone will know if you had sex, because you'll look dirty and smell bad.
You will go to hell if you have sex before you get married, and no amount of repenting will get you out of that one.
Only a married couple can have a normal baby, all others will be evil. (that means you may be getting a sick vagina if it was touched... what to do, what to do...)
Bastard children will cause you hardship and suffering you deserve, and god will not love you anymore. But he will pity you and I will have to pity you too.

There are more and when I bring this up to my mother she laughs about it. She thought scaring me would make me not do it. Or maybe she believed it after getting a case of the sick vagina...



Do we have the same mother by chance? LOL

 

post #37 of 51
Oh wait one more.

Boys don't like little boobies so if you show yours they will just laugh at you.

I have learned differently of course.

the funny thing is, once I realized she was a pile of lies! It was funny and it didn't hurt my self esteem like you'd think it would.
post #38 of 51

HPV is one of the few viruses that can be transmitted from sexual contact that is not necessarily intercourse, and is especially easy to spread.  Many teens who would not risk actual intercourse may still expose themselves other genital contact activities.  A condom may not cover all parts of the genitals that could spread the virus as well.  I think there's lots of reasons (especially emotional) to wait to have sex until one is older and in a stable relationship, I personally was nearly 19, my best friend was 23 (rare now days) and I've always told my children that waiting was a positive thing for myself and others because it gave us time to grow and not complicate our lives before being ready.  However, all the talk in the world is not a guarantee, I've worked with pregnant teens and some of them still had pretty open and positive communication with their parents and they got pregnant anyhow, and there are many not pregnant sexually active teens out there, too.  My sister in law, who had only one sexual partner previous to her husband, was dealing with a case of cervical cancer at only the age of 21, discovered during a Pap test run when she first found she was pregnant with her first child.  Not a very nice way to start motherhood, dealing with cancer treatments immediately after the baby, and one recurrence later as well.  Needless to say, she is very open with her daughters about the safety of their sexual choices, and both my nieces (they are 13 and 12) had the vaccine.  Considering that even a my daughter's husband to be could carry HPV and she could catch it even if she remains a virgin until she is married, I'm planning for my own daughter to have it as well.  It would be nice if all potential mates were virgins, but is that really the only or main criteria you would want for your daughter's future husband?  That can eliminate lots of great people that just made different choices.  Now as to the effectiveness of the vaccine, it's pretty new, and I understand being cautious with something relatively untried as to results vs risk, and I understand that some people would see the risk as too great.  Determining your comfort level is personal choice.  But I don't think making the decision based on what you think the likelihood of your daughter having intercourse is the way to go, so many things don't happen according to plan, and I'd always want to be prepared for the worst case scenario.

post #39 of 51

Everything I have read says they offer it at such a young age because once you have been exposed to HPV, the virus won't work. And yes, there are many 13 year olds having sex, sad as it is. But my children will NOT be getting the vaccine. I have read too many horror stories about it.

post #40 of 51

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Edited by JenRave - 5/21/12 at 9:46am
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