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post #41 of 64

Hi -

 

When my 10 year old was a baby, he had very bad reflux.  The meds the ped gave him made it worse. After a nightmarish month,  I took him to a chiropractor who specialized in treating infants.  After 2 gentle adjustments, it was all over.  This was in Western Pennsylvania.  If anyone wants the Chiropractor's name, let me know.

 

I had learned from nursing my first son that my babies were very sensitive to what I ate.  I did an elimination diet.  I ate only turkey and rice, and added another food every 2 days. That way,  I was able to identify sensitivities to onions, broccoli, dairy, citrus, and other stuff i can't remember anymore.  Avoiding those foods really helped with the fussing and excessive spitting up. 

 

But for my reflux boy, it was the chiropractor all the way.

post #42 of 64
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But for my reflux boy, it was the chiropractor all the way.



What does a chiro do for an infant?  I'm picturing cracking a neck and popping joints and it really freaks me out.  Can you explain more what an adjustment is like?

post #43 of 64

I could tell something was not right, so I did the Dr. Sears elimination diet. Within a few days, spit up subsided. I added things back. She is 3 months now and I eat everything. She still spits up, but not like she did. The things that bothered her the most were soy, dairy, and wheat (to a small degree). Now I think only dairy and soy bother her. They make her spit up a little, but no pain like before.

post #44 of 64

I, DH and my boys go to a chiro once a week. My now three year old had reflux regardless. But I believe the chiro helped with other issues. You kind of have to find the right one. One who is into natural health and not just auto accidents and back pain.

 

And yes, there is some "popping" and adjusting of spine. But the theory is that when your spine is subluxated, it is blocking nerves and vessels and yuor body can not heal itself the way it was intended to. My DS has been going almost all his life and has only been on medication once.

 

We don't vax, so I feel it is a good way to maintain his health - along with a healthy diet of course.


Edited by Thing1Thing2 - 10/4/11 at 2:49pm
post #45 of 64

I would avoid the reflux drugs.  They are not good for anyone let alone a baby.  I actually can't believe the way doctors are now handing them out to babies.  My husband has an integrative medicine practice and he sees people all the time who are messed up by the gerd drugs.  Stomach acid is extremely important and anything that interferes with it's production is dangerous.  We need it to assimilate vitamins and minerals, to digest proteins and most importantly it is extremely important for the immune system.

 

I took my babe to a craniosacral practitioner and it helped enormously with the reflux.  Cutting out soy is probably a good idea too.

post #46 of 64
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I would avoid the reflux drugs.  They are not good for anyone let alone a baby.  I actually can't believe the way doctors are now handing them out to babies.  My husband has an integrative medicine practice and he sees people all the time who are messed up by the gerd drugs.  Stomach acid is extremely important and anything that interferes with it's production is dangerous.  We need it to assimilate vitamins and minerals, to digest proteins and most importantly it is extremely important for the immune system.

 

I took my babe to a craniosacral practitioner and it helped enormously with the reflux.  Cutting out soy is probably a good idea too.

 

I don't see how this is helpful at all.  This is MDC, where mamas don't just take a doctors word as gold and follow along blindly.  I hope you don't mean to say that about me.  I chose reflux medication for my son after researching the benefits and risks -- and decided the benefits were well worth it.  
 

 

post #47 of 64

I don't mean to imply at all that you are following a doctor blindly.  I realize that we all want to do what's best for our babes.  I don't judge any mom for the hard decisions that need to be made regarding our babies well-being.  However, doctors talk about these drugs as though they are completely harmless which is simply false and conveys a great misunderstanding on their part about the importance of stomach acid.  In my opinion it's completely immoral on their part.  Many people don't know the risks of those drugs and that they can do harm to a baby's developing system seems important for mama's to know.  If you already knew that they can interfere with vitamin and mineral absorption, protein digestion and immune system function and still decided that the benefits outweigh the risks I respect your decision.  If you or others didn't know that it seemed important to pass that information along.

post #48 of 64
Tidepool, I know you are trying to help by informing us of potential risks, and I appreciate that. I think the tone was maybe just a little scare-tacticy since many mamas here have already agonized over the decision and started treatment. My doctor did in fact say he's never seen any complications with these drugs and I trust him. I don't think DD or Carrie's son are on very high doses. I made the decision based on three things:

1) Our daughter was in obvious and severe pain. I was not ready to let her experience that for months.
2) My best friend has reflux disorder as an adult and when she has flare-ups she says it is one of the most painful experiences she ever has. She is doubled up on the floor in agony. DD can't voice this to me, but it seemed that way.
3) I read in Dr. Sear's Baby Book that prolonged reflux, if untreated, can eat away at the baby's esophagus, teeth, etc

All medications have potentially pretty serious side-effects if you read the fine print, but they don't usually happen at common doses. I feel good about our decision, DD seems worlds happier, and we're working on phasing the meds out now that her sphincter muscles are developing.
post #49 of 64
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If you already knew that they can interfere with vitamin and mineral absorption, protein digestion and immune system function and still decided that the benefits outweigh the risks I respect your decision.  If you or others didn't know that it seemed important to pass that information along.


You say you respect our decision but your attitude suggest otherwise.  That first sentence I find very offensive.

 

Thanks, Tear.  I agree with all your points, and am glad that it seems little miss is making strides towards feeling better!

 

We've had quite a few puke free nights here!  joy.gif  And it's been 3-4 nights since he's had to sleep in the swing. Sleeping with him tucked in the crook of my arm is wonderful.  I so was missing sharing sleep with him.  

 

post #50 of 64
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We've had quite a few puke free nights here!  joy.gif  And it's been 3-4 nights since he's had to sleep in the swing. Sleeping with him tucked in the crook of my arm is wonderful.  I so was missing sharing sleep with him.  

 


YAY! I'm so glad you're getting your snuggle fix again. And I know how you feel about the swing. I hope he's on the puke uptake!
post #51 of 64
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I hope he's on the puke uptake!


Wow, that just sounds nasty ROTFLMAO.gif

 

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Wow, that just sounds nasty ROTFLMAO.gif

 


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post #53 of 64

Tear, I realize that what I said can come across as scary, and for many years I would never have said what I said out of fear of offending someone, frightening or worrying them. Moms have enough of that.  At the same time I want other people to be aware of the complications involved with these drugs.  I don't know when doctors started giving them to babies but the medical profession as a whole is on a radical campaign to give drugs to children.  Even wonderful doctors are falling prey to it.  I'm not sure I know how to say something about drug risks other than bluntly as I did.  

 

And I know most mama's will have agonized over a decision to give a child a medication.  I certainly don't see drugs as black and white.  I take a drug for an autoimmune illness and chose to take it through my pregnancy after weighing the pros and cons.  With reflux drugs though the issue isn't actually the side effect of the drugs action in the body, it's that they decrease stomach acid production and this is simply not a good thing.  Once stomach acid is decreased it can be hard for the body to build it up again without help.  And at the same time I recognize that babies are resilient and may recover from a short course just fine.  As for doctors, many terribly misunderstand this medication and hand it out like candy telling people there are no complications.  In fact my husband sees adults in his practice all the time who have complications from using these drugs.  Many of them have been on the drugs much longer than a short course for an infant, so again I don't want to scare people who've already given them to their children as their babies may do just fine.  

 

I understand the pain of reflux, our little one had it quite bad and would cry inconsolably for hours at night.  We found craniosacral, osteopathy and homeopathy remarkably helpful.  After one treatment she was like a different baby.

 

 

Baby_Cakes, I honestly don't mean to come across as harsh or sarcastic.  I do feel strongly about the issue and do want other people to be aware of what the dangers of suppressing stomach acid are.  It's difficult to have the conversations online where you can't hear tone. 

post #54 of 64
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Baby_Cakes, I honestly don't mean to come across as harsh or sarcastic.  I do feel strongly about the issue and do want other people to be aware of what the dangers of suppressing stomach acid are.  It's difficult to have the conversations online where you can't hear tone. 


You're absolutely right, and thank you for taking time to explain your perspective for us. smile.gif I had a feeling that this is where you were coming from, and your above message makes it much more clear. I am glad that you found the alternative therapies so helpful!
post #55 of 64
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Baby_Cakes, I honestly don't mean to come across as harsh or sarcastic.  I do feel strongly about the issue and do want other people to be aware of what the dangers of suppressing stomach acid are.  It's difficult to have the conversations online where you can't hear tone. 


Ok.  Thanks for clarifying.  I just really don't like it when someone insinuates that I'm not doing what's best for my baby, which I understand now wasn't what you were trying to say.  Thank you for your perspective as well.  smile.gif

 

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Ugh I had a whole post written up and something happened to it! Baby wants to nurse, after screaming all day with reflux! I'm at my wits end and seriously considering the medication. Went through 3 years of sleep deprivation and I have no energy left.

 

Tried to multiquote earlier and ended up hitting the thumbs up! When did they add that?
 

 

post #57 of 64
Hi bAbycakes
I can totally feel with you. Both my children were masters of spit up. And it would never ever hit the burb cloth, no matter how I
located it. My T-shirts were burbed on from the outside and leaked into from the inside, until they had two solid meals a day. - And then they learned how to smear their fingers on mommy's clothes.for some odd reason, I idn't buy a single Tshirt in the last four years.
post #58 of 64

 

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Ok.  Thanks for clarifying.  I just really don't like it when someone insinuates that I'm not doing what's best for my baby, which I understand now wasn't what you were trying to say.  Thank you for your perspective as well.  smile.gif

I get that babycakes.  It's hard to be a parent and there can be endless criticism of our choices.  

All the best with your babe.

 

 

post #59 of 64
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So, it's been 10 days on an elimination diet with no soy and there's been no change. I had to up his dose of zantac (after discussing it with the ped) b/c the screaming came back (he gained 2 lbs, so we decided he outgrew his old dose) He has been spitting up more often the last 2 days than he has over the past 2 weeks. Don't you think if it was soy, I would have noticed a change by now? Opinions?

post #60 of 64

I am thinking that having this thread in the Allergies forum may be helpful for you with these elimination diet questions. That's where our resident experts reside. Oh and I've been there. I had a puker who ended up being dangerously allergic to a lot of things. 

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