Vaccines, Eugenics, and Dr.Sherri Tenpenny

[BeckyBird]

Why are you afraid to look into the subject of modern-day eugenics/population control? Does it challenge your world view? Wouldn't you want to know if this is happening today, so you could work to save your childrens'  future? Could you just watch this, and then decide if it rings true?

http://www.youtube.com/user/astonisher1#p/c/CCAC240DE22298FA/2/h3qskv0-sJM

One point of interest from the interview: Polysorbate 80, a preservative in the vaccines, is known to cause infertility in female mice, and testicular atrophy in male mice. ??

Let's assume that eugenics is Not the goal of vaccinations, and  that I'm waaaayy off. There is no sinister secret reason for all of the cancer viruses, sterilants, contaminants, harmful adjuvants and preservatives, injecting pregnant women without proper testing, no safety testing for Gardasil in children, yet the shot is almost being forced on them, etc. That these were all just innocent manufacturing errors and accidents. Fair enough, I'll go with that idea. So, from there, could we all join together and demand safer practices?  Better testing? I'd be alright with that. Could the public admit there is a problem, for whatever reason (intentional or otherwise), and then move forward toward safer medicine and true health?  Admit that vaccine science has a long way to go, and much more research needs to be done!

If there is something wrong with our system, I would want to know. Forget about what you think, wish, or hope is going on. Take a good, unbiased look at the world around you!

Edited by BeckyBird - 9/23/11 at 12:38pm

[Bokonon]

I think part of the problem is that much of the pro-vax community doesn't think there is anything unsafe about vaccines because they've never seen it with their own eyes, yet don't accept anecdotal reports from others.  I also hear a lot of "the benefits outweigh the risks", meaning that many people are going to continue vaccinating and not accept that the risks do happen and can be severe.

[no5no5]

Originally Posted by BeckyBird 

Why are you afraid to look into the subject of modern-day eugenics/population control? Does it challenge your world view? Wouldn't you want to know if this is happening today, so you could work to save your childrens'  future? Could you just watch this, and then decide if it rings true?

I'm not afraid.  Why would I be?  I guess it does challenge my worldview, insofar as I believe that the world is mostly populated by sane, kind, rational people who are generally honest.  Of course I want to know the truth, but listening to some random folks in youtube videos doesn't seem like the best strategy to discover what the truth is.  JMHO. 
 

Originally Posted by Bokonon 

I think part of the problem is that much of the pro-vax community doesn't think there is anything unsafe about vaccines because they've never seen it with their own eyes, yet don't accept anecdotal reports from others.  I also hear a lot of "the benefits outweigh the risks", meaning that many people are going to continue vaccinating and not accept that the risks do happen and can be severe.

I can only speak for myself, but I accept that there are risks and that there can be severe adverse reactions.  I actually think that much of what you've written would apply just as much to the anti-vax community, if one were to substitute "vaccine-preventable illnesses" for "vaccines" and "not vaccinating" for "vaccinating."  We all choose what we believe is the safest course of action for our children.

[Bokonon]

Originally Posted by no5no5 

I'm not afraid.  Why would I be?  I guess it does challenge my worldview, insofar as I believe that the world is mostly populated by sane, kind, rational people who are generally honest.  Of course I want to know the truth, but listening to some random folks in youtube videos doesn't seem like the best strategy to discover what the truth is.  JMHO. 
 

I can only speak for myself, but I accept that there are risks and that there can be severe adverse reactions.  I actually think that much of what you've written would apply just as much to the anti-vax community, if one were to substitute "vaccine-preventable illnesses" for "vaccines" and "not vaccinating" for "vaccinating."  We all choose what we believe is the safest course of action for our children.

I agree, and respect that; however, VPDs are treatable and typically recoverable.  We don't know what long-term harm is being caused by the current vaccine schedule.

[WildKingdom]

Polysorbate-80 is also a key ingredient in ice cream.  Is Ben&Jerry's also a eugenics plot?

[ModerateMom]

Originally Posted by BeckyBird 

Why are you afraid to look into the subject of modern-day eugenics/population control? Does it challenge your world view? Wouldn't you want to know if this is happening today, so you could work to save your childrens'  future? Could you just watch this, and then decide if it rings true?

http://www.youtube.com/user/astonisher1#p/c/CCAC240DE22298FA/2/h3qskv0-sJM

One point of interest from the interview: Polysorbate 80, a preservative in the vaccines, is known to cause infertility in female mice, and testicular atrophy in male mice. ??

Let's assume that eugenics is Not the goal of vaccinations, and  that I'm waaaayy off. There is no sinister secret reason for all of the cancer viruses, sterilants, contaminants, harmful adjuvants and preservatives, injecting pregnant women without proper testing, no safety testing for Gardasil in children, yet the shot is almost being forced on them, etc. That these were all just innocent manufacturing errors and accidents. Fair enough, I'll go with that idea. So, from there, could we all join together and demand safer practices?  Better testing? I'd be alright with that. Could the public admit there is a problem, for whatever reason (intentional or otherwise), and then move forward toward safer medicine and true health?  Admit that vaccine science has a long way to go, and much more research needs to be done!

If there is something wrong with our system, I would want to know. Forget about what you think, wish, or hope is going on. Take a good, unbiased look at the world around you!

Doesn't it seem a little odd that a eugenics program would target everyone?

[LisaSedai]

Polysorbate-80 is also a key ingredient in ice cream.

There are many substances that we EAT that would be harmful if INJECTED or INHALED.

[BeckyBird]

Nono5, I respect your opinion, and thank you for responding with tact!
 

Originally Posted by WildKingdom 

Polysorbate-80 is also a key ingredient in ice cream.  Is Ben&Jerry's also a eugenics plot?

As much as the fish containing mercury are in on the plot. So is Reynold's Aluminum Foil. Of course, we don't inject fish, foil, ice cream into newborns, do we?

All joking aside, this is an important subject. Grouping me into the same category as space alien bodysnatcher conspiracy theorist, or Ben&Jerry's-is-out-to-get-you conspiracy theorist is just distracting everyone from the real issue here. The issue is about dangerous vaccines, evidence of harm, and what we can do to about it.

The benefits of the Gardasil vaccine absolutely do NOT outweigh the risks, yet look what is happening lately. How can you continue to trust in the vaccine manufacturers and the governmental agencies that promote them, when there is so much controversy surrounding this vaccine? From there, other questions arise, and then the snowball effect begins!

[ahimsamom]

This is a great link, watched it live last night. Just wanted to post and say that I think it's great you posted it and are getting the word out about vaccines and the eugenics link. Not enough people have heard about eugenics, and those who do hear it tend to find it too unbelievable to be true. The fact is that all the scientific information is there to back it up these claims, people just need to wake up and realize that this billion dollar a year industry isn't really there to save our lives or cure us of any ailments.

I would also like to add that so much of what people eat today is packaged in BPA plastic.

Our water is poisoned with fluoride.

I live in California where soon, children as young as 13 will be vaccinated WITHOUT PARENTAL CONSENT.

I agree with the OP. I want to know what is going on. I want to make the world a better place, for my children and their children.

[BeckyBird]

Thank you Ahimsamom. It is difficult to talk about the subject and face the ridicule.

[kinkajoujou]

Originally Posted by Bokonon 

I agree, and respect that; however, VPDs are treatable and typically recoverable.  We don't know what long-term harm is being caused by the current vaccine schedule.

This may be true, but I think we also do not know the long-term effects of VPDs either. Case in point: my father has Lou Gherig's (sp?). No definitive cause has been identified for it. However, his neurologists say that in his case the most plausible explanation is that it is a result of meningitis at 6.

So, based on that, my thinking (although I admit this is more speculative than based on evidence) is that you may never know if getting e.g. a severe rotavirus infection may not affect your intestines to the degree that you develop cancer later in life. I do know that contemporary medicine believes that for most chronic diseases, there is a link to some virus or other. So, although an adverse reaction caused by a vaccine is most of the times devastating and the results are immediate and obvious, the long-term effects of illness are obscured with time, so it is easier to play down the risk of VPDs in the long run.

As for the eugenics link, I agree with a previous poster that surely a eugenics plot would not be targeted at everyone!

Oh and something else: I believe the intent of modern capitalist societies and governments would be to have as many healthy consumers as possible, instead of sick ones that do not consume and eat up financial and other resources due to their illness.

[WildKingdom]

Originally Posted by kinkajoujou 

This may be true, but I think we also do not know the long-term effects of VPDs either. Case in point: my father has Lou Gherig's (sp?). No definitive cause has been identified for it. However, his neurologists say that in his case the most plausible explanation is that it is a result of meningitis at 6.

So, based on that, my thinking (although I admit this is more speculative than based on evidence) is that you may never know if getting e.g. a severe rotavirus infection may not affect your intestines to the degree that you develop cancer later in life. I do know that contemporary medicine believes that for most chronic diseases, there is a link to some virus or other. So, although an adverse reaction caused by a vaccine is most of the times devastating and the results are immediate and obvious, the long-term effects of illness are obscured with time, so it is easier to play down the risk of VPDs in the long run.

As for the eugenics link, I agree with a previous poster that surely a eugenics plot would not be targeted at everyone!

Oh and something else: I believe the intent of modern capitalist societies and governments would be to have as many healthy consumers as possible, instead of sick ones that do not consume and eat up financial and other resources due to their illness.

I'm so sorry to hear about your dad.  That's so hard.

I have a patient who has post-polio syndrome.  She got a mild case of polio at age 2 and then was fine.  Within the past year, more than 50 years after her illness, she's become so weak that she now needs a wheelchair.
 

[ma2two]

Originally Posted by kinkajoujou 

my father has Lou Gherig's (sp?). No definitive cause has been identified for it. However, his neurologists say that in his case the most plausible explanation is that it is a result of meningitis at 6.

More likely the Lou Gehrig's disease, also called amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, or ALS, is caused by a severe Lyme disease infection. Lyme disease is even more political than vaccines. Most conventional doctors will tell you I'm wrong.

[ma2two]

Quote:

Originally Posted by kinkajoujou 

an adverse reaction caused by a vaccine is most of the times devastating and the results are immediate and obvious

That is your belief. Many people who have researched vaccines and health believe that vaccines are one of the causes of chronic illness.

[ma2two]

Quote:

Originally Posted by kinkajoujou 

I believe the intent of modern capitalist societies and governments would be to have as many healthy consumers as possible, instead of sick ones that do not consume and eat up financial and other resources due to their illness.

Would you believe that is the goal of the pharmaceutical industry, to have as many healthy people as possible, who don't need their drugs?

[kinkajoujou]

Originally Posted by ma2two 

Quote:

Would you believe that is the goal of the pharmaceutical industry, to have as many healthy people as possible, who don't need their drugs?

Well, I guess they don't have to try that hard to make us sick, we do a pretty good job of it ourselves I mean, there will always be sick people to sell their drugs to. And then, I believe it is also true that to a certain degree the fact that we die at around 80 nowadays does have to do with modern medicine and more (although not always necessarily better) drugs available to us. So, is the pharmaceutical industry actually shooting itself in the leg?

[kinkajoujou]

Originally Posted by ma2two 

Quote:

That is your belief. Many people who have researched vaccines and health believe that vaccines are one of the causes of chronic illness.

Ofcourse it is my personal belief, I think I mentioned that in my post. And I do know about the link between vaccines and chronic illness, I have researched these issues quite a lot for my job.

And I should say thanks for that quick diagnosis

[ma2two]

Originally Posted by kinkajoujou 
 

I believe it is also true that to a certain degree the fact that we die at around 80 nowadays does have to do with modern medicine and more (although not always necessarily better) drugs available to us. So, is the pharmaceutical industry actually shooting itself in the leg?

The most profitable situation for the pharmaceutical industry would be to have people live as long as possible with a chronic illness that requires multiple drugs over their lifetime. And of course, to have chronic illness start as early as possible in life. At least 54.1 % of U.S. children have one or more chronic health problems. "An estimated 43% of US children (32 million) currently have at least 1 of 20 chronic health conditions assessed, increasing to 54.1% when overweight, obesity, or being at risk for developmental delays are included" http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1876285910002500

[kinkajoujou]

Originally Posted by ma2two 

The most profitable situation for the pharmaceutical industry would be to have people live as long as possible with a chronic illness that requires multiple drugs over their lifetime.

With the exception of diabetes, there are very few drugs for the chronic diseases that have been attributed to vaccines, at least the ones that come to mind right now. I'm thinking RF (methotrexate up to now and monoclonal antibodies recently), MS (again, it's mostly monoclonal antibodies these days), other neurological conditions like ALS and Alzheimer's (although these are not chronic) only have a couple of drugs that don't really do much, and for cancer there are more options available, but you don't use them over your lifetime but for however long your treatment regime lasts.

[BeckyBird]

Let's branch out for a minute....

I somewhat agree that our lifestyles might influence our health, to a degree. For instance, if you eat fast food 3x a day, you are almost guaranteed to have health problems. But, something bothers me about the medical system in the USA, and I do not believe it promotes true health. More like an ongoing management of illness for profit. Here are 2 examples from my family members, which are happening as we speak (names have been changed lol, obviously)....

Relative A has a pituitary brain tumor. Goes regularly to Johns Hopkins in Baltimore for tests. Has visited many specialists, neurosurgeons, even a psychiatrist. I ask her, casually, if any of the doctors ask her about her diet. The answer is no. NO!!!!! Do you know how furious this makes me? They all have a new scan to do, or a drug to recommend, but they do not ever ask about her diet or nutrition. They are not aware that she chews Trident gum ever single day, dosing herself with Aspartame (very bad for the brain.) They do not advise her to stay away from MSG, which again, bad for brain! They do not ask if she drinks purified water, instead of disgusting chemical-filled tap water, which is not good for the brain either. Now, you wise ladies on MDC know how very important nutrition is, don't you?  So please tell me why the doctors, these super specialists, cannot help her? They are only managing the tumor by waiting to see if it grows. Managed care. Now, what if they were to recommend a healthy diet, good fats, quality vitamin and mineral supplement, get off the MSG and processed foods, pure drinking water, etc. Even if she tried all this and it didn't work, at least she would have tried!  But no, the doctors have absolutely no plan of action, only scan, prescribe, and manage. They won't even entertain the novelty idea of health through nutrition. I beg her to visit a naturopath and nutritionist in addition to the doctors, but she will not.

What else bothers me is the way our medical system has complete authority over us. Here's a new article from Mercola.com about the little boy whose parents wanted to give him an alternative cancer treatment, but were not allowed. Even if you hate Mercola, you should read this story.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/09/24/jim-navarro-featured-in-cut-poison-burn.aspx

Or, the story of Dr.Burzynski who invented an alternative form of cancer therapy. You would not believe what the government put this man through. His therapy has a higher success rate compared to conventional methods, such as chemo and radiation. Yet, he met extreme opposition from the government. Wouldn't you think they would want to help cure cancer by any way possible? No, not if it goes against conventional methods, and especially not if it actually works!

http://vimeo.com/24821365 This movie is hard to watch, and you will cry.