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Newly pregnant with a 1000 questions!

post #1 of 16
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Hi fellow mommies!

I am 14 weeks pregnant and looking for thoughts on a few IMPORTANT topics.

What are your thoughts on vaccinations? I never had ANY...and I am leaning towards opting out...but I would like to know what you all think!

Also, I have heard a few times that pursuing a gluten free diet for the first two years of your babies life is a good idea in prevention for diseases like celiacs... thoughts?

Im sure I will have MANY more questions to come. Those are just the two on my plate at the moment!

post #2 of 16

Mothering has a vax forum with tons and tons of interesting reading material.  You might want to start there.  (The best advice I think I ever heard was don't do it until/unless you are sure you want to.  You can always do it later, but you can never take it out once it's there.)

 

I don't know much about avoiding gluten and celiac disease, but my second was sensitive to wheat and we had to avoid it until he was nearly 3.  You may want to check in the special needs forum, or perhaps in health and healing.  Those ladies have really run the gauntlet on natural remedies and things, and probably have a good deal to say.

 

Welcome!

post #3 of 16

Welcome to MDC and congrats on your pregnancy!  wave.gif

 

Definitely check out the vaccination forum and post any questions you have there.  I also recommend The Vaccine Book by Dr. Sears.  While he is a pediatrician and therefore does recommend most vaxes, he is also very thorough and presents the pros and cons of each vax so you can make a good decision.  Vaxes also do not need to be all or nothing.  You can selectively vaccinate and also delay vaccinations so that baby isn't getting so many at once.   I second the advice to simply wait to vax until you have made a decision.  You cannot undo vaxes, but you can always catch up. 

 

There is also an allergy forum under Health and Healing where you can get great information about allergies and gluten-free diets.  In general it is best to avoid most or all of the top 8 allergens for the first year or more.  I personally do feed yogurt (which is cooked and less allergenic than straight milk) before one year of age, but I held off on all others until a year, 2 years for tree nuts and 3 years for peanuts.  I also followed the Joneja allergy chart when introducing other foods.  Celiac is genetic so as far as I know you cannot prevent it by delaying gluten introduction and it is something that can be tested for via blood work.  Do you have celiac or your dp?  If not, it's not likely that your baby will either.  But gluten is a very allergenic food in general so I feel it is best to delay introduction regardless of genetics.

 

Also, I highly recommend joining your due date social group/club.  It's often very helpful to converse with a more intimate group of moms and moms-to-be that are due around the same time as you.  Are you due in March?  You can find the club forums on the I'm Pregnant page at the top.  If your club has also formed a social group you can find it here: http://www.mothering.com/community/groups/.

 

post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the comments! I am new to the site and didnt even know that those forums existed!

Ps - I JUST bought the book you recommended and have already started reading and taking notes :)

post #5 of 16

I dont vax and dont think they are safe, those are my thoughts!  I recommend checking out the site nvic.org for more info on vaccines.  I dont like the Dr Sears book because I do feel that he is pro vax even if he has an alternate schedual and such, he still is promoting them and is biased IMO.

 

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  (The best advice I think I ever heard was don't do it until/unless you are sure you want to.  You can always do it later, but you can never take it out once it's there.)
 

Very good advice.  I have heard this same piece of advice given when considering circumcision.  You can never take it back once its done no matter how much you regret it- it can not be undone!  But, it can always be done in the future if you choose to wait.  Definitely check out the other forums here!  Congrats and welcome to the community!

post #6 of 16
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I dont like the Dr Sears book because I do feel that he is pro vax even if he has an alternate schedual and such, he still is promoting them and is biased IMO.

I think this is the best book out there for factual information about what is in the vaxes and their pros and cons as well as the risks associated with the diseases themselves.  If you are looking for more information on why not to vax you can check out Aviva Romm's book Vaccines: A Thoughtful Parent's Guide and Mendelsohn's book How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor.  There are also some great Mothering Magazine articles on vaccines.  One in particular you can read online, Jennifer Margulis' Vaccine Debate Article. 
 

 

post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 

I started reading the Sears book, and it actually has me MORE freaked out about them than I was before even though he is pro vax. I had NO idea that many of the vaccinations contain aluminum! What the crap! No way.

post #8 of 16

Yep and a staggering amount of it at that!  Not to mention a whole lot of other toxins...

post #9 of 16

I know, vaccines are horrible!  The book has lots of good things about it too, I guess I should have said that, it is just my opinion that he still tries to steer parents to vaccinate, even if it is just with his recommendations, which is why I said I didnt like it.

post #10 of 16

You know....I'm completely non-vaxing, non-circing, homebirthing, etc etc, and I felt those things were very important before I even conceived my children.....but I will say this:

 

 

I think you are remiss in your mothering if you only ever read things that sound good to you or fit with your beliefs...and I'm not saying that anyone is doing that or telling anyone else to do that.....but I am saying that I would read Dr. Sears' book and really think about what he's saying. I always make sure to read the well presented material that is thoughtful and "balanced"....but that advocates an alternative position to my own. I've read enough about how bad vax is, etc, to fill a library! But I have also read a LOT of books, articles, etc written by people who take a moderate view toward vaccines and advocate for delayed schedules and all of that.  I have found over the last few years, that it goes a long way toward my being able to educate other people and defend my own position with people who try and nay say me to my face, that I know what they have read, where they are coming from and the ways in which their arguments are (in MY opinion) flawed.

 

I'm not saying that I spend a lot of time trying to educate myself to do battle with mamas who nay say, I don't like battling mamas at all....what I mean is, I believe vaccination TRULY IS bad for babies...so I educate myself on all sides of the "argument", so that when someone has hard questions or feels like they want to challenge my viewpoint, I can turn what could be a nasty or uncomfortable encounter into a positive sharing of information and an intelligent explanation of my choices. Nothing makes me feel better than to have a mama start with "Um, you don't vax at ALL....isn't that sort of irresponsible!? Should I even let my kids around your kids??" - and after a calm and intelligent conversation, ends with "wow, I really didn't know all of that....I see how it should be left up to parents to decide" - seriously, it's very rewarding to turn someones opinion from "What a freak" to "Wow, she really knows her stuff". ..and the way I see it, every mama I touch with my information, who softens her stance and gains some perspective on the issue of vax, is the mother of children who will grow up to be adults who might be more willing to listen to MY kids when they explain why they don't want to vax their kids...and maybe my kids will talk to them before they have kids, and set them on the path to finding a better way to achieve health in their families. That's how positive change happens, you know, level heads coming together in understanding to seek truth and better ways for living.

 

I never want my self-education as a parent to take place in an echo-chamber.....the decisions we have to make are too important for that. To truly research, to TRULY educate ourselves, we must see a thing from all angles, before we decide what to call it. If I choose not to vaccinate....and cannot answer some simple to moderately difficult questions that a stranger in a grocery store might ask me...well, then I don't know that I've researched enough?

 

By the way, OP, CONGRATULATIONS!! You are going to love being a mama, it's the BEST!

post #11 of 16

Great post, Avery's Mama.

 

I'd like to also add that when we are making a big decision, my dh and I usually start by reading the most biased and pro/con source there is.  For example, when researching birth control, we looked at planned parenthood's resources, which are pretty liberal, and then looked at some ultra-conservative anti-birth control materials.  The truth is usually somewhere in between.  From there, we could see what the hot topics were, and then read and read and read, and see where we fit in the spectrum.

 

The same is true of vax, homebirth, etc.  There are very heated things written for both sides.  Knowing the end state of the arguement, and seeing where people are coming from is very helpful, and makes clearer the things that are true, and the things that are twisted a bit to make a point. 

 

I will also say that the biggest reason I am against vaccinating is because of the cdc's website.  A few weeks reading everything on there, and I didn't feel the need to research anymore.  Which is funny...because they are VERY pro, obviously.

post #12 of 16

Not much to add to the vax discussion (we don't vax, for various reasons, but the previous advice holds true: if in doubt, don't)

 

Regarding the Celiac . . . we didn't really delay anything. We don't do straight nuts because they are a choking hazard, but DS does, and has, gotten peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for a while now (he's 22 months). Food allergies don't run in either of our families, so following a real schedule of food introduction isn't something that was important to us; DS has gotten food as he's expressed an interest. Some people do things in a color order (not sure on the logic of it, but I have heard of it). . .DS did get yogurt and ice cream before he was 1. He honestly doesn't like cow's milk all that much, and I feel he gets enough dairy through yogurt, cheese, etc, that it's not a big deal.

 

Now, if we had Celiac or food allergies in either family, I probably would have been a bit more diligent about how and when certain foods were introduced.

post #13 of 16
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Great post, Avery's Mama.

 

I'd like to also add that when we are making a big decision, my dh and I usually start by reading the most biased and pro/con source there is.  For example, when researching birth control, we looked at planned parenthood's resources, which are pretty liberal, and then looked at some ultra-conservative anti-birth control materials.  The truth is usually somewhere in between.  From there, we could see what the hot topics were, and then read and read and read, and see where we fit in the spectrum.

 

The same is true of vax, homebirth, etc.  There are very heated things written for both sides.  Knowing the end state of the arguement, and seeing where people are coming from is very helpful, and makes clearer the things that are true, and the things that are twisted a bit to make a point. 

 

I will also say that the biggest reason I am against vaccinating is because of the cdc's website.  A few weeks reading everything on there, and I didn't feel the need to research anymore.  Which is funny...because they are VERY pro, obviously.


HAhahahaha, that is so funny. Yeah, anyone who isn't swayed to forgo vaccination after reading the CDC website isn't reading hard enough!! :)

 

post #14 of 16
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Regarding the Celiac . . . we didn't really delay anything. We don't do straight nuts because they are a choking hazard, but DS does, and has, gotten peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for a while now (he's 22 months). Food allergies don't run in either of our families, so following a real schedule of food introduction isn't something that was important to us; DS has gotten food as he's expressed an interest. Some people do things in a color order (not sure on the logic of it, but I have heard of it). . .DS did get yogurt and ice cream before he was 1. He honestly doesn't like cow's milk all that much, and I feel he gets enough dairy through yogurt, cheese, etc, that it's not a big deal.

 

Now, if we had Celiac or food allergies in either family, I probably would have been a bit more diligent about how and when certain foods were introduced.

We chose to avoid added sugar til 1 year old(and I still try to avoid it!).  I have no idea about gluten but it would certainly not hurt to avoid it, it just will be a little more difficult for you.  I do give DD nuts and have been for awhile, but I dont give her large pieces.  Actually she mainly only eats raw sprouted sunflower seeds and pumpkin seeds, which are very healthy.  I also give ground flax every day as well as probiotics.  We eat all organic food, and DD only gets raw milk.  I believe its the best and healthiest way to go!

post #15 of 16
Thread Starter 

So much information ladies!

I am trying to educate myself in every aspect so that i make an informed decision. I really want to look at the cdc website now and see what there is to see.

Of course my mom is telling me not to read things just to SAY NO...but I want to make sure that I know all the ins and outs of it...if for no other reason that to defend myself! :)

As far as the gluten free thing...Im starting to think that as long as I feed the baby healthy natural foods...there is no reason to completely avoid wheat. There are probably other things to worry about more such as HFCS and hydrogenated oils and preservatives etc! And with mamas milk for the first year...or two!??... baby should be healthy and strong

post #16 of 16
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So much information ladies!

I am trying to educate myself in every aspect so that i make an informed decision. I really want to look at the cdc website now and see what there is to see.

Of course my mom is telling me not to read things just to SAY NO...but I want to make sure that I know all the ins and outs of it...if for no other reason that to defend myself! :)

As far as the gluten free thing...Im starting to think that as long as I feed the baby healthy natural foods...there is no reason to completely avoid wheat. There are probably other things to worry about more such as HFCS and hydrogenated oils and preservatives etc! And with mamas milk for the first year...or two!??... baby should be healthy and strong

You will  be a great mommy!!  So good to see you trying to do what is best for your baby, and actually doing your research!  MDC is a great place to go for info too.  I would check out this whole site, all the forums, etc!  Baby will be very healthy with a year or more of breastfeeding, I am hoping to BF til at least 2 this time!
 

 

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