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post #21 of 48
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Originally Posted by organicviolin View Post

With the saliva tester thing do you need to purchase a new kit every month? We are doing nothing but LAM right now and may go back to FAM but would like some extra assurance, especially with 2 little ones etc. Contemplating getting the copper IUD, but it's expensive, and I don't know how well my body will work with it....
Any info on the saliva thing would be awesome! thanks!
BTW we are like super fertile people over here so just using FAM isn't always best for us. We conceived baby #2 after an accidental pregnancy miscarriage (the month right after mc) when I showed NO signs of ovulating. Our joke is that I don't even have to ovulate to get knocked up. LOL


I have two of these, one is called Luna, and the other is "maybe mom". You don't need a new kit with either from month to month. Mine have lasted years.
 

 

post #22 of 48

We've used FAM successfully for years (didn't get pregnant once in our entire marriage when we weren't trying, got pregnant every time we tried.)

 

But to be honest? I kind of hate it. We use it because there were no other good options given that we weren't "done". But the whole premise means that if I'm interested, we can't, and if we can, I'm probably not interested. 

 

I want him to get a vas. He's ridiculously squeamish about it. The idea that I may have to resort to the Essure because he's too squeamish, after me taking the lead on bc our entire marriage (with some pretty significant side effects from the Mirena)... Let's just say it may be a moot point, because I find guys who don't step up to the plate where birth control is concerned less than inspiring sex-wise.

 

I love him dearly, but it's not worth it to me to go back to FAM, I'd rather just not have sex, and we're not sure that I can even do the Essure due to an allergy to the contrast medium they use to verify it 3 months out. 

post #23 of 48

 

Natural Family Planning – and NO it is not the rhythm method! It is a series of natural observations that allow women to tune into their body and empowers them in the knowledge and understanding of their personal cycle. No chemical drugs, implants, shots or risky surgery to throw you out of balance. This is a great way to be aware of your overall health and the charts are perfect for communicating fertility with your partner and are useful for medical appointments as well! When NFP is used properly it is as effective as the pill. We have been married for ten years, have 3 kids and have had great success in this method.

post #24 of 48

We use NFP too--sympto thermal method coupled with ecological breastfeeding (well...kinda.  I've never followed all 7 EBF requirements!)

  • NO CHEMICALS!!!  I mean we're so careful to eat organically, use natural home/beauty products, right??
  • increased communication btwn me and DH, 
  • responsibility for choices is shared
  • FREE :D
  • immediately reversible from trying to conceive to postponing pregnancy 

 

My 4 kids are all spaced naturally 19 months or more apart, and my cycles didn't even return until 9 mos pp.  So glad we found NFP!

 

post #25 of 48
we've been using the chreighton method and its been great!!!
post #26 of 48

I started using a diaphagm when I was 16, and both of my kids were conceived when the diaphragm was left in the drawer(I was 30 and 34)  My size did not change with either baby, and it's just not a big deal to put it in/out.  I used spermicide with the initial insertion only.  My husband offered a vasectomy after the second was born, but I wasn't ready until she was about 3.  He laid around for about 3 days, and we joked that guys should have to wear one of those dog collars while they're healing--the cone of shame, ha-ha!

post #27 of 48

We are using FAM which I read the Toni Weschler book (Taking charge of your fertility) & it is wonderful.....I can not believe the things that I learned & had never known about my body....and I thought I was pretty in tune to my monthly cycles....Wow, this book should be required reading! We also have started using the Lady Comp which is quite pricey ($400-500) but it is AWESOME and we were able to use our Health Savings Account to purchase it with.  It is basically a very smart basal body temperature computer that has extensive testing behind it....it is used very often in Europe, I can't understand why we American women haven't heard of it more here though.  It is 99.3% effective and since my hubby & I use it along with FAM, it ups the effectiveness even more.  It basically tells you when you have ovulated based on your temperature & it gives you lights that are either red, yellow or green.....we are very conservative with it so on the red & yellow days we use another form of BC (condoms) but the green days are infertile days so have fun :-)  Oh, the lady comp comes with a good warranty & user reviews show that it last usually upwards of 10 years.  So for me, no hormonal birth control & no vasectomy for my hubby is what we love about this alternate method.  BTW, the vasectomy is not as benign as we are being led to believe...many, many men are suffering severe pain & prostate problems shortly thereafter having the surgery....research it for your hubby, you will be surprised there is not a more public outcry to the sometimes SEVERE repercussions of the vasectomy surgery. See the links below for more info on the lady comp....they also have a cheaper version too called the PEARLY....

 

http://www.lady-comp.com/en/page/at-first-sight?gclid=CIX47K2jz6sCFQd6gwod2XUDYQ

http://www.raxmedical.com/?gclid=CNzhqKSkz6sCFQoZQgodEnqVUA

http://www.raxmedical.com/pearly.php

post #28 of 48

I forgot to mention, that the lady comp also has correctly asked me if I was menstruating, even during several cycles where my menstruation came early & sure enough later that day my period started, I was amazed. I also use two online/iphone apps that I put my basal body temp readings & mucous observations into & they both end up showing the same ovulation day that my lady comp. predicts, after all the info is submitted.....I use fertility friend & P tracker.  Yes, I am basically using FAM, Lady comp., & two software apps to track my cycle, maybe a little overkill but I feel more comfortable increasing the effectiveness rate of my BC methods :-)  I am still amazed that all these signs were there the whole time for me & I was somewhat oblivious to me fertility window. My husband loves knowing for sure too.

post #29 of 48

I am due in December...thinking about the same "dilemma" as this is our third baby (each spaced just under 2 yrs apart).  We are unsure about how many children we are going to have and neither of us are interested in something permanent - ever.  I have regained fertility 13 mo PP with both babies so far...so we've use LAM for the first 12 mo, but obviously we didn't actively prevent another pregnancy soon after regaining fertility.  Anyway, I just wanted to add that the Kimono condoms (Whole Foods, Amazon) were AWESOME the first 5 yrs of marriage (before we were "ready" for kids) - super thin, great quality. We only used condoms (mainly the week around ovulation) those first 5 yrs and never conceived (and I am super fertile...my whole family is), so we were doing something right even w/o any formal knowledge of NFP.  The trick for me I guess are those first few months of ovulation PP that are irregular...need to have the disipline to always use a condom after years of not.  It's also strange that even though we are typically uninterested in having more children the first yr of the baby's life, everything seems to change when fertility returns :)  and of course the thought of sex is so much greater at this time as well.  We shall see...  :)    

post #30 of 48

Taking Charge of  Your Fertility is an excellent resource Amy!  Another is In Our Control; The Complete Guide to Contraceptive Choices for Women by Laura Eldridge.

 

Real choice requires INFORMATION.  :)

post #31 of 48

I hate birth control.

 

I conceived the week I tried charting, after reading Taking Charge Of Your Fertility, like four days after my period stopped (which I think is unusual for me because we did the rhythm method before with no mishaps, plus my cycles are long-ish).

 

We hate condoms; I don't want hormonal b/c...after we have two or three I'm going to INSIST my husband get a vas!! I might go with some kind of IUD...the other thing is, I hate having to mess with stuff...or keep track of my temperatures!

post #32 of 48

ecological nursing anf FAM

post #33 of 48

I do not want to go with chemicals again and condoms really bother me - painful and swelling bother. Happily, I do not ovulate for 18 months after birth - really, this is child number 4 and all kids are 27 months apart.  So we can put off the decision for a year - and DH has said he'd go for the V. We will see. I get so bored doing FAM while nursing because it is 450 days of no change at all. The chart looks very strange after a while. 

post #34 of 48

We used FAM for fifteen years, which worked very well for us. We avoided conception except when we wanted a baby, and then we conceived right away. The third child was an "oops," though, partly due to the fact that I was always more willing to bend the rules when I was more "in the mood" (i.e., fertile). It's hard to keep track of everything for all those years without it becoming a drag at some point. So after the third was born I decided on a copper IUD. Despite the horror stories circulating out there, it's been great for me. I don't like the heavier periods but otherwise I feel great (no cramps) and love not having to record temps, CM, etc. And I love not getting pregnant again, too. ;)

post #35 of 48

I had a copper IUD for several years with no problems whatsoever. After about 5 years I started to have some random spotting (with no other symptoms) and after eliminating other causes, I think the IUD was just ready to come out. I would definitely consider using one again after this baby...

post #36 of 48


Same here in our household.  DH talked about for years of getting vasectomy.  Now, after 10 months after our 2nd (and last) baby, he hasn't made the phone call yet.  

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grrr, DH said he was all for the vasectomy but has done exactly nothing towards getting one... I guess we can wait until PP at this point. I kind of want to do it while we are all still on state insurance, the state loves to pay for sterilizing poor people. However the MW told me that new law is that birth control has to be covered by all insurance, so maybe that's not even an issue anymore if he switches to employer-provided insurance.



 

post #37 of 48

We use Natural Family Planning and I am always surprised that more women on this site do not do so. If you are concerned about hormones in the food you eat - you should REALLY worry about the major amount of hormones you put into your body with artificial birth control! There are numerous reliable studies that have shown a strong link between Oral Contraceptives and breast cancer as well as other terrible maladies like deep vein thrombosis (my best friend almost died from DVT and her doctor said it was caused by her birth control.) Just be warned that when you are messing around with your natural cycle there are many repercussions. Embrace your Womanhood and stay healthy! For more info on the links between contraception and Breast cancer look here:

 

 

Does the birth control pill increase your risk of breast cancer?

 

According to the World Health Organization, the companies that make birth control pills, the FDA, and the Mayo Clinic, yes.

 

  • In a July 29th 2005 press release, the World Health Organization declared that cobined estrogen-progestogen Oral Contraceptives are carcinogenic to humans. Specifically, they said that "Use of OC's increases risk of breast, cervix, and liver cancer."[1] The data was presented by a working group of 21 scientists from 8 countries convened by the cancer research agency of the WHO, the International Agency for Research on Cancer. Click here to view the press release.
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  • Companies that make birth control pills also have admitted a link between the drug and breast cancer. For example, thePhysician's Desk Reference (PDR) is a 3500 page book used by doctors that explains how drugs work. In it is the "exact copy of the product's FDA-approved or other manufacturer-supplied labeling." The PDR states that "a meta-analysis of 54 studies found a small increase in the frequency of having breast cancer diagnosed for women who were currently using combined oral contraceptives or had used them within the past ten years."[2] The "meta-analysis of 54 studies" mentioned included data from over 150,000 women. It said, "The studies included in this collaboration represent about 90% of the epidemiological information on the topic, and what is known about the other studies suggests that their omission has not materially affected the main conclusions."[3] Some might argue that the increase in breast cancer risk is only a small one. But with 80-100 million women on the pill across the globe, the numbers certainly add up.

 

 

  • More recently, the journal of the Mayo Clinic (Mayo Clinic Proceedings) published an article entitled "Oral Contraceptive Use as a Risk Factor for Pre-menopausal Breast Cancer: A Meta-analysis." It revealed that 21 of 23 studies that followed women who took the pill prior to having their first child showed an increased risk of breast cancer.[4] The increase was especially steep among younger women. One of the authors, Chris Kahlenborn, M.D., stated, "Anyone who is prescribing oral contraceptives has a duty to tell women that 21 of 23 studies showed an increased risk."[5] He added, "As more information comes out, it's going to be increasingly difficult to suppress [the documented evidence from medical studies]. There's a growing sense that it's really just a matter of time before the lid blows on this thing. . . . We will start seeing a new attitude towards the pill, and it will be fueled by lawsuits."[6]

 

 

  • In the Consumer's Guide to the Pill and Other Drugs it also states that "Early-age use of the pill carries a greater risk of breast cancer, of developing larger tumors and having a worse prognosis"[7]. The Pill can cause plenty of other health problems as well, but click here for details on that.

 

Many doctors do not believe there is a link between the Pill and breast cancer. But considering that the World Heath Organization, the 2006 Physician's Desk Reference, the journal of the Mayo Clinic, and other reliable sources openly admit such a connection, I believe there is reason for concern. Should a woman be prescribed the pill for medical reasons, she will be glad to know that successful alternatives exist. Click here for details on that.

Why does the Pill increase a woman's odds of developing breast cancer? Chris Kahlenborn, M.D., explains: "Two of the most important types of hormones that control reproduction are estrogens and progestins. Birth Control Pills are made from synthetic estrogens and/or progestins. Experiments have shown that these hormones cause women's breast cells to divide more rapidly, which makes them more easily affected by carcinogens - agents which cause cancer"[8].

To read more on breast cancer and the Pill, I'd recommend reading Dr. Kahlenborn's book, Breast Cancer: Its Link to Abortion and the Birth Control Pill. Also check out A Consumer's Guide to the Pill and Other Drugs by John B.Wilks, Pharm. M.P.S.
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FOOTNOTES
[1]. World Health Organization, “IARC Monographs Programme Finds Combined Estrogen-Progestogen Contraceptives and Menopausal Therapy are Carcinogenic to Humans,” International Agency for Research on Cancer, Press Release 167 (29 July 2005).
[2]. Physicians’ Desk Reference, (Montvale, N.J.: Thomson, 2006).
[3]. Collaborative Group on Hormonal Factors in Breast Cancer, "Breast cancer and hormonal contraceptives: collaborative reanalysis of individual data on 53 297 women with breast cancer and 100 239 women without breast cancer from 54 epidemiological studies," Lancet 347:9017 (22 June 1996):1713-1727.
[4]. Cf. Mayo Clinic Proceedings, Oral Contraceptive Use as a Risk Factor for Premenopausal Breast Cancer: A Meta-analysis, Chris Kahlenborn, MD, et al., October 2006; 81(10): 1290-1302.
[5]. Susan Boyles, "The Pill May Raise Breast Cancer Risk: Analysis Suggests Small Increase in Risk When Oral Contraceptives Used Before First Pregnancy," WebMD Health News (Oct. 31, 2006).
[6] Chris Kahlenborne, as quoted at www.physiciansforlife.org
[7]. John B. Wilks, Pharm. M.P.S., A Consumer's Guide to the Pill and Other Drugs, 2nd Edition, (Stafford, Virginia, ALL inc., 1997), p. 70.
[8]. Chris Kahlenborne, M.D., Breast Cancer Risk from the Pill, available at www.omsoul.com .

http://www.quiverfull.com/birth_control/fact_sheet_on_pill_side_effect.html

post #38 of 48

Thanks for mentioning that Vasectomy is not a good answer for men and can lead to health problems. Whenever we mess with our bodies there are consequences! Thanks also for sharing the info about the lady comp!

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