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[forestmushroom]

Originally Posted by BubbleMa 


IMO, we're told "no alcohol while pregnant" not because it's that dangerous, but because they think we're too stupid to control ourselves and not binge drink every day. The key is moderation.
Sushi from a trusted source (and in moderation) is okay. I'm not sure if certain types of fish are better/worse than others though.

I have to agree with this. Not every doctor/midwife/"expert" will have this attitude, but many will.

And I have to agree with the sushi rec. Maybe find a fish suited to your climate/region that is safe (not shipped from far away, etc.) or a reputable restaurant.  After all, Japanese women still eat sushi while pregnant.
And there are lots of rolls that are not Sashimi:

1) Unagi Sushi/Nigiri - cooked eel
2) Anago - sea eel
3) Kappa Maki - Cucumber sushi roll
4) Kanpyo Maki - some pickled vegetable roll.
5) Shitake Sushi - Japanese mushroom on top of sushi
6) Tempura Prawn Maki - Cooked.
7) Seafood Stick Maki or add Avocado and Mayonnaise and Cucumber to make California roll. Make sure they don't put raw flying fish roe into it though.
8) Spider Roll Maki - soft shell crab deep fried. Not traditionally Japanese but cooked by most Japanese chefs outside Japan. I think its becoming popular back in Japan though with the Rainbow Rolls going on.
9) Futomaki - variety of vegetables pickled and non-pickled, eggs, mushroom, etc. This is a great roll.
10) Egg Tamago sushi

We make futomaki at home a lot and it is so good.....

[Astraia]

Originally Posted by pregnova 

I may be on my own here, but I never take what a doctor or a book, or a midwife says as the end all answer to a question. There's so much research constantly being done that it's got to be nearly impossible for our health caretakers to truly be as up to date as possible, not to mention you never know where their own hang-ups lie...or what they were taught in school/training and are unable to shake off...or refuse to question themselves. I think it's very very important to always QUESTION the things we are told and come to our own conclusions from the wealth of knowledge and resources available to us all.

I think this is really important. With my first I took it to heart- they don't KNOW how much, so it could be a teeny tiny amount, and I didn't drink at all for the majority of the pregnancy. Then towards the end I started wondering, "well, why did my midwife/ childbirth educator/ backup doctor tell me to drink wine for prelabour so I can sleep?" and started looking into it. I was floored by the information I was finding- that even in binge-drinking alcoholics who drink regularly throughout pregnancy, the rate of FAS is still only about 5% (if I remember correctly). I thought alcohol = FAS, guaranteed. That's what all the hype made it sound like.

I keep reading studies about women who were polled on how much they drank during pregnancy, and moderate alcohol intake = healthier, smarter babies, more so than 0 alcohol intake. Even with fish, how we're told to avoid high mercury fish. They did a study with women in .... Netherlands, I think...? who ate a diet high in high mercury fish (in fact, are not told to avoid it during pregnancy) and their babies had higher IQ's then their counterparts who didn't eat fish and no health or mercury toxicity problems.

I also read several sites a few years ago that were linking the restrictions place on pregnant women (the mindless, super strict, jugemental type restrictions) as being a big feminist issue, a way that people from the outside are trying to control women and it made a LOT of sense. It's a way for doctors and the public at large to make you feel guilty for being a bad parent or to judge you as a bad parent. Oh, you eat Brie in pregnancy? You OBVIOUSLY don't care about your baby. Oh, you had alcohol in pregnancy? You're going to be a TERRIBLE mother. I can't explain it properly nor remember where it came from but it made a big impact on me at the time.

I never take my information from a single source. I research and research and research and finally settle on a decision I'm comfortable with. I definitely don't take my midwife or dr as having the final say, as I've gotten atrocious information from medical professionals before.

[manamakeri]

I went to the Epcot food and wine festival yesterday at Disney world. I had a sip of every beer my husband bought - I think that equaled 5 sips of beer. I also had a sip of 2 different mixed drinks and 2 different white wines. All this was across 8 hours while consuming lots of tasty food. 

I am not worried at all. I'm sure my blood alcohol level didn't even go up from the sips. It's not like your are mainlining it to the baby when you have a drink. Your body processes it. When you drink a beer with 5% alcohol content, it only raises your blood alcohol level minutely. It's your blood the baby is exposed to. So if your blood alcohol level is 0.02% it's like your baby being exposed to an alcoholic drink with 0.02% alcohol content. 

Same thing goes for breastfeeding. The alcohol content of your milk is based off your blood alcohol content. I don't see a lot of harm from my baby consuming a drink with 0.02% alcohol content.

[tibris]

Astraia - I remember reading a study similar to that from south america, there was a coastal group that ate fish high in mercury, but it was their constant diet staple so their bodies could process it properly.

Someone mentioned it's a matter of they don't think we can control ourselves. Let's face it, why put pictures of people sticking their hands in lawn equipment with a big do not slash through it. Not everyone in this world is intelligent enough to know getting drunk nightly and doing drugs daily are not in the best interest of your baby. If we did a poll on here for what "moderate" drinking is I'll bet it would range from a drink a week to a small drink a day. So it's one of those things where it's easier to tell people no than try to explain to them what is "okay"

Personally I would be more concerned with eating things cooked on teflon than drinking moderately during pregnancy :p In my anthro class we were told of women who worked in factories producing teflon purposely getting pregnant to pull the toxins out of their body knowing full well they would abort themselves around 4-5 months. I need to email that professor and see where I can get that story from.

[pregnova]

Originally Posted by tibris 

Astraia - I remember reading a study similar to that from south america, there was a coastal group that ate fish high in mercury, but it was their constant diet staple so their bodies could process it properly.

Someone mentioned it's a matter of they don't think we can control ourselves. Let's face it, why put pictures of people sticking their hands in lawn equipment with a big do not slash through it. Not everyone in this world is intelligent enough to know getting drunk nightly and doing drugs daily are not in the best interest of your baby. If we did a poll on here for what "moderate" drinking is I'll bet it would range from a drink a week to a small drink a day. So it's one of those things where it's easier to tell people no than try to explain to them what is "okay"

Personally I would be more concerned with eating things cooked on teflon than drinking moderately during pregnancy :p In my anthro class we were told of women who worked in factories producing teflon purposely getting pregnant to pull the toxins out of their body knowing full well they would abort themselves around 4-5 months. I need to email that professor and see where I can get that story from.

 Seriously?

[Masel]

I'm in Missouri. That's about as far as you can get from the good fish. LOL. The good sushi resturant is a once a year thing because it is so expensive. 

[tibris]

pregnova - yeah, I've tried emailing him from two of my accounts, but the school email system won't send it through, it thinks I'm spam :p

[MeredithA]

I was really craving beer the other night. DH and I used to always drink beer together on nights where we had "beer food" such as pizza, bbq, etc. So, I found some tasty non-alcoholic beer at Trader Joes called Gerstel. It satisfied my craving & went well with the food ~ Just thought I'd share :-)