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post #81 of 118

Congratulations, Lionessmom!  It's always a bit nerve wracking to see that positive test, even when you've been planning the pregnancy because you've created life, and there's no going back, even if you wouldn't want to.  I hope that your initial shock passes quickly and you have a great 9 months... actually, really only 8 left!

 

TMI Warning!...

Infojunkie, it was really helpful for me to hear the comparison between CM and some mucus that we are perhaps more familiar with: snot.  (Is there such a thing as TMI in a charting to avoid thread?)  Fertile would be like when your nose is really running.  It might look like eggwhites, or it might be so liquid that it just drips (watery).  Sticky would be like when you're near the end of a cold, and you can feel little bits stuck in your nose, but it's hard to get them out, and if you do, it's just little sticky clumps without much lubrication.  At the vulva, sticky is when you wipe and feel with the TP that there is something there that doesn't have much lubrication.  If you are able to wipe some off for analysis (often not possible), it would look kinda like semi-dried creamy if you could see it at all, and if you put your finger on it on the TP, it would feel more like touching the back of a sticker (one that has lost most of its stick).  Creamy is more likely to be something you could scrape a bit off of the TP, and it would look kinda like a white condiment... yogurt, mayo, something to that effect.

 

The constant creamy CM may just be an effect of the hormones as they're clearing your system, or it may be something that you have to figure out how to deal with.  You can establish it as a BIP, but it is more risky to do so.  If your cycles regularize down so that you're ovulating pretty early in your cycle, it wouldn't be wise since you wouldn't have that many safe days after your period anyway (and you could still have 2/3-3/4 of your cycle marked as safe days), but if your cycles end up really long with creamy throughout your cycle, and then you consistently have a week of EWCM before ovulation, you may decide that you feel comfortable with considering creamy to be your BIP.  In that case, you could also consider using the Doering temperature rule (first day of temperature rise minus 7 is last safe day if dry) to be a little more conservative, though if you always have at least 6 days of more-fertile mucus and tend to have all-the-time creamy CM and delayed ovulation, you can use this in the presence of less-fertile CM.  However, it takes time to be able to use this effectively... like at least 6-12 cycles, and I'd be careful about including your first few cycles off HBC in that.  So, basically, yes, if the constant creamy CM doesn't go away, it does make things more difficult, but there are ways to deal with it effectively besides considering yourself fertile all the time.


Edited by JMJ - 10/23/11 at 7:40am
post #82 of 118
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no i havent. just everybody on the internet, my mom, and my bestie, and the dr office. i need a us to make sure it is not an ectopic. i almost died once that is why i only have one tube. but if you look at my chart you can see a dip at 9 dpo i think that could be implantation. that would suggest uterine implantation or it would have been earlier maybe. i think i will tell him tonight. i cant hold it in. 

the darker line is not the control line....

 


I don't think I can pinpoint implantation based on your chart, but definitely in the 6-9DPO range (It could also be when your temp went triphasic).  However, between the triphasic chart and the blaringly positive pregnancy test, it looks like you've got healthy hormone levels, something not common in ectopic pregnancies.  I think you have every reason to hope for the best.

 

post #83 of 118
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I don't think I can pinpoint implantation based on your chart, but definitely in the 6-9DPO range (It could also be when your temp went triphasic).  However, between the triphasic chart and the blaringly positive pregnancy test, it looks like you've got healthy hormone levels, something not common in ectopic pregnancies.  I think you have every reason to hope for the best.

 



 

thanks. i am pretty sure its good, but after that loss, i need a early us. 

 

i thought my temp looked tripahsic but i couldnt get much consensus on tcoyf. 

 

i can feel my uterus growing and stretching. it makes me feel better. :)

post #84 of 118
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Lionessmom, wishing you a happy and healthy 9 months!

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Haha...JMJ...that was SO gross :) But very descriptive and helpful! When you stop and think about it, mucus is mucus so it's a good comparison.  I guess I just have trouble when the amount of CM is SO small that I'm trying to figure out if it's even relevant. 

 

 

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Congratulations, Lionessmom!  It's always a bit nerve wracking to see that positive test, even when you've been planning the pregnancy because you've created life, and there's no going back, even if you wouldn't want to.  I hope that your initial shock passes quickly and you have a great 9 months... actually, really only 8 left!

 

Infojunkie, it was really helpful for me to hear the comparison between CM and some mucus that we are perhaps more familiar with: snot.  (Is there such a thing as TMI in a charting to avoid thread?)  Fertile would be like when your nose is really running.  It might look like eggwhites, or it might be so liquid that it just drips (watery).  Sticky would be like when you're near the end of a cold, and you can feel little bits stuck in your nose, but it's hard to get them out, and if you do, it's just little sticky clumps without much lubrication.  At the vulva, sticky is when you wipe and feel with the TP that there is something there that doesn't have much lubrication.  If you are able to wipe some off for analysis (often not possible), it would look kinda like semi-dried creamy if you could see it at all, and if you put your finger on it on the TP, it would feel more like touching the back of a sticker (one that has lost most of its stick).  Creamy is more likely to be something you could scrape a bit off of the TP, and it would look kinda like a white condiment... yogurt, mayo, something to that effect.

 

The constant creamy CM may just be an effect of the hormones as they're clearing your system, or it may be something that you have to figure out how to deal with.  You can establish it as a BIP, but it is more risky to do so.  If your cycles regularize down so that you're ovulating pretty early in your cycle, it wouldn't be wise since you wouldn't have that many safe days after your period anyway (and you could still have 2/3-3/4 of your cycle marked as safe days), but if your cycles end up really long with creamy throughout your cycle, and then you consistently have a week of EWCM before ovulation, you may decide that you feel comfortable with considering creamy to be your BIP.  In that case, you could also consider using the Doering temperature rule (first day of temperature rise minus 7 is last safe day if dry) to be a little more conservative, though if you always have at least 6 days of more-fertile mucus and tend to have all-the-time creamy CM and delayed ovulation, you can use this in the presence of less-fertile CM.  However, it takes time to be able to use this effectively... like at least 6-12 cycles, and I'd be careful about including your first few cycles off HBC in that.  So, basically, yes, if the constant creamy CM doesn't go away, it does make things more difficult, but there are ways to deal with it effectively besides considering yourself fertile all the time.



 

post #86 of 118
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Haha...JMJ...that was SO gross :) But very descriptive and helpful! When you stop and think about it, mucus is mucus so it's a good comparison.  I guess I just have trouble when the amount of CM is SO small that I'm trying to figure out if it's even relevant. 

 



Sorry for grossing you out.  I added a TMI warning for people who don't need to read that.  Some of the other charting systems would have you chart that as "M" for a tiny amount of non-specific less-fertile type mucus.  It's really important to note the difference between nothing and anything because anything can help sperm survive a lot longer than nothing.  This is the main reason I can't stand the online charting, because I like to be more specific than they'll let me be.  As far as classifying it for charting programs, I would chart it as sticky, not because it actually is sticky, but because sticky is treated in the programming as "certainly less-fertile type mucus" while creamy is treated as more or less fertile.

post #87 of 118

Oh I wasn't really grossed out :) I was just joking. Not much can really gross out a person who has children.  Thank you so much for all your help! The tips below really help clarify things for me. 
 

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Sorry for grossing you out.  I added a TMI warning for people who don't need to read that.  Some of the other charting systems would have you chart that as "M" for a tiny amount of non-specific less-fertile type mucus.  It's really important to note the difference between nothing and anything because anything can help sperm survive a lot longer than nothing.  This is the main reason I can't stand the online charting, because I like to be more specific than they'll let me be.  As far as classifying it for charting programs, I would chart it as sticky, not because it actually is sticky, but because sticky is treated in the programming as "certainly less-fertile type mucus" while creamy is treated as more or less fertile.



 

post #88 of 118

Congrats LionessMom! Hoping the baby is where it should be and wishing you a H&H 9 months!

post #89 of 118

thanks everyone for the congrats! it makes me feel better about it. i still havent told dh. i dont know why. i guess i am afraid he will get stressed out. i might wait until tonight. everyone here is sick. something in our throat. it gets real sore and the coughing is crazy. so everyone is cranky and i dont want to make things worse. however, i did leave the test on my dresser. he hasnt said anything to me. i also wrote pregnant on my chart. so i guess he doesnt look at that stuff. he never acts happy any time i get preg even when it was on purpose. he just starts getting stressed about money and how small our house is. so maybe i just want to enjoy it for a minute before he brings me down. idk.

post #90 of 118
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thanks everyone for the congrats! it makes me feel better about it. i still havent told dh. i dont know why. i guess i am afraid he will get stressed out. i might wait until tonight. everyone here is sick. something in our throat. it gets real sore and the coughing is crazy. so everyone is cranky and i dont want to make things worse. however, i did leave the test on my dresser. he hasnt said anything to me. i also wrote pregnant on my chart. so i guess he doesnt look at that stuff. he never acts happy any time i get preg even when it was on purpose. he just starts getting stressed about money and how small our house is. so maybe i just want to enjoy it for a minute before he brings me down. idk.


aw that is rough that he never acts happy when you get pregnant. That must be hard.

 

 Congratulations on your pregnancy, it is a wonderful thing :) Give yourself full permission to feel whatever you are feeling!  

 

post #91 of 118

Hello all.

I'm thinking about CTA. I CTC'ed with my 1st  (and my mc) and while I was not tracking with #2, the BFP was not shocking because I knew all my signs. 

 

I was very consistent, so CTA should not be an issue.  I'm not too happy with my current pill (or the 2 other types I was one before TTC #1), not too happy with condoms, and DH was about to get a V but I balked.  My head says no more kids... but it's very hard for me to make that permanent right now.

So... I'm thinking about CTA, but there is a part of me that is super worried about an accident.  It would be one thing if we were both OK with a surprise 3rd... but at right now it would not be a blessing at all. 

 

I know that if done correctly, CTA is very effective.  But, doubt!  What if!  Ack.

 

post #92 of 118

Welcome, Lit Chick!  Fear of an accident is very common, and, as you'll see if you read through the CTA threads, they do happen, though you'd have to look hard to find ones that are unexplained.  Then again, if you look through the DDC's a lot of babies there were accidents, and many of those mothers were using other forms of contraception as well.  If used incorrectly, birth control in general just isn't that effective, and there are method failures with every method.  Charting just makes more obvious what is always true, that every single time you DTD, you are accepting that there is a certain probability that you could get pregnant, and you and you are willing to take that chance.

 

One of the many wonderful things about charting is that you can choose to make that chance much greater (such as when you are TTC) or much smaller if you need a very, very effective method, though there is an inverse relationship between how effective CTA is and how much of the time you are free to DTD.  It is precisely this inverse relationship that makes it difficult.  Using other methods during the fertile period reduces the effectiveness greatly.  How do you feel about abstaining or trusting a less-effective method during the fertile period?  How does your husband feel about it?  How do you feel about the fact that when you are first learning to chart and gaining history, you'll have a lot more times that you'll have to consider yourself to be potentially fertile?  How effective do you need it to be?  Do you and your DH have the willingness and self-control to give you the effectiveness you need?

post #93 of 118

Yeah... I was about to say we did have the self control, but one of my fertility signs is being super horny.  And DH has a hard time being the strong one that says "stop, need a barrier!"

 

I'm just really frustrated right now because there is no perfect solution.  I want it to be convenient, without side effects, reversible, and 100% effective.  Oh, and I want to have good sex without contact dermatitis afterwards (there's only 1 brand we found of condoms that fits DH, and it and I aren't so compatible). 

 

Whine, whine whine. 

 

ETA - right after I posted, I decided to google.  And lo, there is a new condom on the market that hopefully will do the trick.  A bunch of reviewers specifically mentioned that they were allergic to the only other brand of that size, and these were fine.  YAY.  I really hope they fit and don't make me itch. 

 


Edited by Lit Chick - 10/25/11 at 6:52am
post #94 of 118

Well, I thought I was about to ovulate but maybe it was a failed attempt, unless it's still possible my temp could shift tomorrow? CM seems to be drying right up

http://www.tcoyf.com/members/infojunkie/charts/1.aspx

post #95 of 118

Lit Chick, if you are attracted to the idea of charting, you also have the option of trying it out, building up some cycle history, knowing when your period is due, and deciding later if you want to use the information in family planning.  It's up to you, just trying to throw out options.

 

Infojunkie, it's too early to tell.  A lot of people ovulate on P+1, and you can ovulate up to P+3.  Additionally, sometimes the temp rise happens a little before or after ovulation.  This is why we have rules that require you to wait a few days after you might think you ovulated, because there is some variation in when women actually ovulation in relation to Peak day and temp rise.  It's also quite normal, especially as you're experiencing marginal fertility (like coming off birth control), to have your body try to ovulate a few times before it's actually successful.

post #96 of 118

JMJ, thanks.  That's what I'm going to do. 

I for sure cannot tolerate the pill, at all, not even a little.  The side-effects went from common and annoying to the call your doctor NOW type.   Good times!

So, I'll let my body clean out, chart, use barriers, and take it from there.

 

post #97 of 118

Hi friends!  I think I had better join you.  I am between 7 and 8 weeks PP with my second child.  I will take my first Creighton class next week.  Some background:  both of my children are "oops!" babies. :)  Specifically, DS was concieved 10mo PP before any PPAF and no fertile signs that I noticed.  I had started temping and checking cervix/CF about a month prior to getting pregnant, so I do have basic knowledge of STM via the Kippley's. 

 

I already have a question this time around!  I had some PP bleeding issues this time, and am still spotting.  I hit the 56 day mark in 3 days...if I continue to spot (likely) past that cutoff, does that make me ineligible for LAM?

 

Thanks!

post #98 of 118

Hi! wave.gif I thought I might join the club over here--I just took out my last Nuvaring! DH and I are TTA until next summer, when we will hopefully start TTC! I've been looking at all the charts I can over at TCOYF.com and am really excited to start!

post #99 of 118

mt_gooseberry and kat216, welcome!!!! it's great to have you here! 

post #100 of 118

Welcome, mt_gooseberry and kat216.  Mt_gooseberry, I would say yes if it's red, no if it's brown.  Red blood is fresh, but sometimes it takes a little while to clear, and you get some brown bleeding for a few days afterward.  You could also consider looking into the Marquette Method.  It is turning out to be pretty darn effective in the postpartum period with less guess-work.  Kat216, congratulations on getting off of HBC!  I would assume that you are potentially fertile from the time you stopped until you confirm ovulation with one of the rules that tells you that you are in post-ovulation infertility.

 

Lionessmom, I've been thinking about you.  How are things going?  How did your husband take the news?

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