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post #21 of 145

It's completely dead here now, and not just in TAO. I went to view new posts, for the heck of it, and at the bottom of the first page was a new post from 45 minutes ago. That would be unheard of a few years ago. 

post #22 of 145

Oh, well that explains it. I've been trying to figure it out. Where did everyone go?

post #23 of 145

LOL so great to find this post.  Too see there are others out there.  I moved to a new area and had posted in tribes a little while back and was basically told no one was around anymore.  I remember a few years back that the city where i'm at now was just alive with action.  It would have a thread on the top of the first page.  I had to hunt to find it and finally gave up and did a search.

I had some personal issues (outside of the boards) so I had to get off the internet for a bit and spend quality time trying to sort out stuff.  I've been back here and there but pretty much went to the boards I knew and stuck there.  I noticed the lack of posting.  And today I figured...hmmm i might as well brach out to try to find where everyone is.

LOL it seems we are all here...as in on this thread. :)

post #24 of 145

I hardly ever come on here anymore...I just don't have the time and patience to wait for the ads to load!  I used to spend way too much time just browsing, but it just takes too long!  I miss the old days.  :(

post #25 of 145

I totally miss how things used to be around here.  I remember when you couldn't keep up with threads on TAO they moved so fast.  A lot of cool people have moved on.  This place is boring now.:(

post #26 of 145
Hi...I'm here(insert smiley waving). I agree that there is hardly anyone here anymore. I'd love to find out where people are posting???if you know,pm me
post #27 of 145
I drop by and read every so often but mostly quit posting due to privacy concerns. That, and the overall vibe/ content is way different than when I signed up over a decade ago... Maybe I've just seen it all, but I remember so many of the posts were thought provoking back then. I just don't see the same kind of dialogue now.
post #28 of 145
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Originally Posted by kathymuggle View Post

I don't think the topics started are less interesting - just that there are less of them.  If 10% are interesting, well 10% of a 1000 is a bigger number than 10% of a hundred.

 

If you are correct that there are less interesting posts, I wonder if it is because the Facebook tie in and well-known existence of trolls on MDC has made people a little less likely to post juicy stuff?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or everyone left here and went to there.  Just an idea.
 

 

post #29 of 145

TAO has been sloooow for a couple years.  MDC, as a whole, has been slow since all the drama and changes happened.  It was just too much at once - from the magazine to the new format to the ads to the facebook stuff (and so on).

 

  I read from "new posts" and it's often pretty dead so I don't know why I bother most days.  Not sure how to revive what it once was; not sure if it's possible to go back since it's just not the same. 

 

I do wish everyone would post more, though, and that old timers would stick around and check-in more frequently.  Also, there has to be a way to attract new members since they are pretty much the lifeline of keeping a message board thriving.  Without the magazine, that's gotta be a lot harder to accomplish. 

post #30 of 145
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Originally Posted by Adaline'sMama View Post

Maybe all 16 people who have posted on this thread should start a fluff TAO thread.


truedat.gif

 

Maybe I've come too late to the party, but I refuse to think that all the cool kids are gone and it's just us nerds now. 

post #31 of 145

it isn't just TAO. 

 

most other forums is soooo slow too. hardly any new posts. even in forums like parenting. 

 

it. is. just. so. slooooooow.

 

its almost like if i check in once a week in my regular forums i would be able to catch up pretty quickly.

 

yeah i miss the old days. 

 

i kinda feel mdc is no longer that AP or NFL as it was even a few years ago. or should i say the members are not so. 

 

there seems to be more of an attack mode these days in more threads than not. its one thing to have a difference of opinion but heated. woah. yeah it used to happen before too. but not to the degree as now or rather as often as now. so many of the regular posters have left. its so rare today to find someone with over 10,000 posts. or even someone here from before say 2006. 

post #32 of 145
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Originally Posted by Honey693 View Post

Or everyone left here and went to there.  Just an idea. 

 


Possibly.

 

I do not doubt some are hanging out on TWWS, but not all.  TTWS has its own board culture that does not appeal to everyone and I doubt it accounts totally for the low numbers on MDC.  I could be wrong though - you might know better wink1.gif

 

I wasn't referring to TWWS, though, when I mentioned trolls.  I meant trolls as the term is generally accepted on the internet - those who post almost exclusively in an inflammatory manner to stir the pot.  

 

post #33 of 145

I am wondering if forums in general (not just MDC) are losing posters, particularly to entities such as facebook?

 

A quick google search seemed to indicate some thought so, including folks on this discussion:

 

http://if.invisionfree.com/topic/5122854/1/

 

http://www.theadminzone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62549

 


Edited by purslaine - 10/13/11 at 5:43am
post #34 of 145

I do think FB plays a huge roll in this.  I am a member of a Weight Watcher's support board that was "hard to keep up with" even on the small board I went to.  I didn't go there while pregnant and baby's first year and after two years (I've been a member for 10) I went back and it's just dead.  It is very sad to me.  The people I know I am friends with now on FB but we really had a special group there.  A few of us tried to go back and get it going but it's just not the same at all.

 

I certainly do not want to talk about my weight loss journey on FB!  We PM or e-mail occasionally but the fire is gone on that board.

post #35 of 145

It was definitely the overmoderation that drove me away at first. I felt unwelcome. Plus once my kids got a little older I stopped drinking quite so much of the MDC kool-aid, so to speak lol.gif I still think MDC has a great SN board and I post there occassionally. But since I am no longer nursing or cloth diapering, most of MDC is no longer relevant to me. I get my juicy gossip fix at another site!

 

If MDC hadn't started with the crazy moderation crap, I am sure I would still be a frequent poster. Even though they have backed off, it permanently changed the board culture IMO.  

post #36 of 145
Here the cool kids are the nerds. winky.gif
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truedat.gif

 

Maybe I've come too late to the party, but I refuse to think that all the cool kids are gone and it's just us nerds now. 

post #37 of 145

I'd post more but the unbelievable number of flashing ads drive me crazy and often crash my browser. I also don't appreciate seeing ads for things like Totino's Pizza Rolls or some other junk food on this site. I know they have to make money but I've been a member of plenty of other large message boards that didn't compromise their stated values so blatantly.


Also, the combative snark is beyond boring and it's so tedious to read yet another thread that was interesting at first but quickly devolved into someone picking someone else's post apart word by word, finding excuses to be offended and start off-topic arguments. MDC used to be a place for safe discussions of unpopular or unusual topics. Now it's just another ads-heavy parenting forum with lots of unpleasant people who seem to enjoy disrupting threads and trying to make others feel bad for disagreeing with them. Yawn.

 

It's a real shame, because I've gotten a lot from this board over the years since my first pregnancy, but I don't see how they can fix it at this point. They'd have to change their entire ads-driven business model as well as figure out what kind of community they want to be: a natural parenting board based on the magazine's older, gentler principles, or a slightly crunchier [insert name of popular parenting forum here].

post #38 of 145

I think, sadly, that it's the redesign and monetization.

 

MDC is not the first forum that I've watched do this.   My main parenting board (mainstream, but more specific to certain medical issues) did this several years ago.

 

The design gets "old," supposedly.

The site owners/operators, worried that new people may think the site looks "Old fashioned," or thinking they'd like to make some money from the site,  decide to update things.

They hire a "Web Designer" to do a complete redesign of the site.

The designer is generally not a user of the site, not a member of the group the site is meant to represent, and often appears to not even be a regular user of web forums.

The designer creates a site that looks flashy, impresses the owners/operators -- but is nearly completely unusable.

 

Oldtimers drift away from the changed site.

New people who find the site through google (or other means) look at the forums. Because the oldtimers are drifting away from the changed site, there's little traffic in the areas the newcomers are interested in.  The Newcomers don't stick around.

 

As oldtimers continue to drift away, the site slowly withers.

 

 

It's my experience that many of these so-called "Web Design Firms" have little interest in site useability.   They're either straight graphic designers who don't care about how the site is used as long as it *looks* good, or they are straight click-count optimizers, who don't care about how people use the site as long as people have to click past lots of ads.    They don't know a lot about data architechture, or information theory, or anything about how people actually access, read, and use information.   They don't bother to do usability testing, where you sit down with some "typical users" and analyze what they do (click counts and history are not enough to understand this).

 

The fact is, the most devoted audience in the world will not stick around a site that has been redesigned into unusability.   And MDC's redesign rendered it almost unusuable -- the number of ads wrapped around the text were distracting and took forever to load, many ads seemed to crash most browsers, the ad-wrapping made the text unreadably small on portable digital devices.   Some of the ads were are videos with voiceovers.   There were ads on both sides of the main text column...

 

Then on top of that, many of the ads were totally contrary to MDC's stated mission.

 

I'm saying "were," because I notice that right now, I'm not actually seeing ads for BPA-laden, preservative-filled, wastefully-packaged single-serve noodle cups to the left of my screen.  But that seems, to my memory, to be a relatively new development.

 

And if its not a new development?  If those ads have been gone for weeks or months? 

What that illustrates is what a bad redesign can do.   I now think of MDC as "OMG, that awful design with all the ads that crashes both Firefox and Safari all the time."    And I know I'm not the only one.

 

post #39 of 145

You both hit the nail on the head!
 

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Originally Posted by peainthepod View Post

I'd post more but the unbelievable number of flashing ads drive me crazy and often crash my browser. I also don't appreciate seeing ads for things like Totino's Pizza Rolls or some other junk food on this site. I know they have to make money but I've been a member of plenty of other large message boards that didn't compromise their stated values so blatantly.

Also, the combative snark is beyond boring and it's so tedious to read yet another thread that was interesting at first but quickly devolved into someone picking someone else's post apart word by word, finding excuses to be offended and start off-topic arguments. MDC used to be a place for safe discussions of unpopular or unusual topics. Now it's just another ads-heavy parenting forum with lots of unpleasant people who seem to enjoy disrupting threads and trying to make others feel bad for disagreeing with them. Yawn.

 

It's a real shame, because I've gotten a lot from this board over the years since my first pregnancy, but I don't see how they can fix it at this point. They'd have to change their entire ads-driven business model as well as figure out what kind of community they want to be: a natural parenting board based on the magazine's older, gentler principles, or a slightly crunchier [insert name of popular parenting forum here].



 



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Originally Posted by savithny View Post

I think, sadly, that it's the redesign and monetization.

 

MDC is not the first forum that I've watched do this.   My main parenting board (mainstream, but more specific to certain medical issues) did this several years ago.

 

The design gets "old," supposedly.

The site owners/operators, worried that new people may think the site looks "Old fashioned," or thinking they'd like to make some money from the site,  decide to update things.

They hire a "Web Designer" to do a complete redesign of the site.

The designer is generally not a user of the site, not a member of the group the site is meant to represent, and often appears to not even be a regular user of web forums.

The designer creates a site that looks flashy, impresses the owners/operators -- but is nearly completely unusable.

 

Oldtimers drift away from the changed site.

New people who find the site through google (or other means) look at the forums. Because the oldtimers are drifting away from the changed site, there's little traffic in the areas the newcomers are interested in.  The Newcomers don't stick around.

 

As oldtimers continue to drift away, the site slowly withers.

 

 

It's my experience that many of these so-called "Web Design Firms" have little interest in site useability.   They're either straight graphic designers who don't care about how the site is used as long as it *looks* good, or they are straight click-count optimizers, who don't care about how people use the site as long as people have to click past lots of ads.    They don't know a lot about data architechture, or information theory, or anything about how people actually access, read, and use information.   They don't bother to do usability testing, where you sit down with some "typical users" and analyze what they do (click counts and history are not enough to understand this).

 

The fact is, the most devoted audience in the world will not stick around a site that has been redesigned into unusability.   And MDC's redesign rendered it almost unusuable -- the number of ads wrapped around the text were distracting and took forever to load, many ads seemed to crash most browsers, the ad-wrapping made the text unreadably small on portable digital devices.   Some of the ads were are videos with voiceovers.   There were ads on both sides of the main text column...

 

Then on top of that, many of the ads were totally contrary to MDC's stated mission.

 

I'm saying "were," because I notice that right now, I'm not actually seeing ads for BPA-laden, preservative-filled, wastefully-packaged single-serve noodle cups to the left of my screen.  But that seems, to my memory, to be a relatively new development.

 

And if its not a new development?  If those ads have been gone for weeks or months? 

What that illustrates is what a bad redesign can do.   I now think of MDC as "OMG, that awful design with all the ads that crashes both Firefox and Safari all the time."    And I know I'm not the only one.

 



 

post #40 of 145

I've been moderated right on out of here.  I'd rather post somewhere that my comments aren't arbitrarily removed.

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