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http://life.salon.com/2011/10/12/a_home_schooler_goes_to_college/

 

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It wasn't the schoolwork or social life that threw me. It's that I never realized how dull a classroom could be..."

 

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Great article. Sad, though.

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I've read some other stuff that she wrote, and liked it, but this one makes her (and her parents) seem awfully naive... which I guess she admitted to, but really, where were her parents, or adult friends? Why did no one sit down with her and say, okay, if you want to go to college here are some things to think about... and helped her find a place that was a good match for her interests and learning style.

FWIW, my formerly-homeschooled 18 year old is having a great time in college - "This is the right place for me," she said a few weeks ago. She enjoys most of her classes most of the time, is learning new things, has a bunch of great friends, has her own radio show, has gotten to meet a famous Russian filmmaker at the Library of Congress, loves exploring the city where she lives now with her new friends, etc., etc. No one has given her a hard time about being homeschooled, students or professors. She wouldn't put up with it, for one, especially from a professor, because she knows that's not okay and is pretty capable of advocating for herself.

Actually, her Russian professor assigned the class to write an essay about how their parents met, fell in love, and got married, and Rain told the professor after class that her parents had never been married, and asked if she could write a paper on someone else's marriage instead (the point was to practice using the new vocabulary, which was wedding-related). That was fine, no big deal for the professor or for Rain. I imagine that if she were assigned to write about her music classes in elementary school she'd tackle it the same way...
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Originally Posted by Dar View Post

I've read some other stuff that she wrote, and liked it, but this one makes her (and her parents) seem awfully naive... which I guess she admitted to, but really, where were her parents, or adult friends? Why did no one sit down with her and say, okay, if you want to go to college here are some things to think about... and helped her find a place that was a good match for her interests and learning style.


Yeah, but from my experience, this is a society problem, not a homeschooling/unschooling problem. I went to public school and had a similar problem. It just seems like everyone has this attitude of college = good for you. If it's a prestigious college, that's possibly better. There is not college that is not good for you. What I've just quoted you saying is the first thing I've ever seen in my life to suggest that one's learning style has anything to do with which college one should choose (unless you're the sort who just doesn't do well in school settings, in which case some people suggest the radical idea of not going to college). Well, I've heard some commercials for private colleges bragging about hands-on training.

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Yeah, but from my experience, this is a society problem, not a homeschooling/unschooling problem. I went to public school and had a similar problem. It just seems like everyone has this attitude of college = good for you. If it's a prestigious college, that's possibly better. There is not college that is not good for you. What I've just quoted you saying is the first thing I've ever seen in my life to suggest that one's learning style has anything to do with which college one should choose (unless you're the sort who just doesn't do well in school settings, in which case some people suggest the radical idea of not going to college). Well, I've heard some commercials for private colleges bragging about hands-on training.


I agree.  I faced the problem of having older parents who had gone to school back in the days when one got in largely based on who one knew...no SATs or anything.  They didn't really help me choose a college that was a good fit for me... nor did the college adviser at the private school I attended.  It was more based on this is an excellent school, and they have the major you want--so go there.  

 

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Interesting... because all of the friends I have with similar-age kids went through pretty much what we went through with college-bound kids - not that all of our kids have wanted to go to college, but for those who did, we all did a lot of reading and research. I think it's pretty much expected now, especially if, like the author, you expect to get something from college besides a piece of paper. There are tons of books about it, and the college board (SAT) website has a huge section of finding the right college for you. Also, once you take the PSAT or SAT usually tons of colleges send you tons of material - like, many paper bags full.
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I agree with Dar. It does seem unusually naive and perhaps her negative experience had less to do with homeschooling than with a failure to put adequate attention to college planning and decision making. It is unfortunate that the student ended up with a disatisfying experience, but I would not generalize from that to the experience other hoemschoolers with have with college. For what it is worth, our homeschooler is very happy with college and has encountered no negative reaction about coming from homeschooling.

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I read this article this part week and was hoping that it would be up for discussion here!  I'm so glad that Dar has made the observation that this author seemed very naive about college.  Agreed!  And I also agree with Cyllya that this isn't a homeschool issue.  In fact, those that I've known who have worked in colleges have told me that this experience is very common to students who are the first in their family to have attended college:  their parents haven't attended college so can't offer any counsel as to what to look for in a college, a major, or classes.  It is also common for these students to have a hard time fitting in, and they frequently drop out. 

 

The more I think about this essay, the more annoyed I find myself in truth.  One of the things that I've heard and read from those in the home and unschooled community is that students who go through this method of education come out of it knowing what they want and how to go about getting it.  I saw no evidence of that being the case with this author, unfortunately.  Maybe that's just me being just as naive about homeschooling as she was about college ;-)

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Having worked on college campuses for years in a Res Life capacity - I think the author's experience is very typical of first-generation college students (which she was).  Most first-generation college students lack much information about how college works or how to choose a college, major, etc.  There is a reason that first-generation college students have a higher drop-out rate than students whose parents attended college.  The last university I worked with had a program that directly targeted first-generation college students and paired them with mentors to help them learn how to negotiate all the hurdles of college.  It is a learned system.  The fact that she was homeschooled compounded her problem only in that the professor who had an issue with homeschooling chose to attack her on that (not unlike a professor choosing to single out a student for something else - ie, a nontraditional student, or a woman in engineering classes, both 'types' of students that I saw deal with bigoted professors that necessitated Dean involvement in resolving). 

My mother has a college degree, my older sister was attending college, and I still had fantasies about college being filled with other students who, like me, were excited about learning.  I envisioned sitting around the cafeteria eating dinner and discussing something interesting from a philosophy course with my fellow students.  I think that vision of college is what most of us 'nerds' looked forward to while we were growing up.  The glossy brochures from colleges and universities don't disabuse us of that fantasy, either - think of all the photos of students studying on grassy lawns, or walking together with books in their arms, or sitting in a library nook/windowseat reading.  Also, my mother (and my high school guidance counselor) were *awful* at helping direct me to schools with good financial aid packages for me.  I found out later that my test scores and grades should have given me near-full-rides if not full rides at many schools; I didn't know that, and ended up spending more money than I should have at the university I attended, because I didn't know that I needed to advocate for myself until later. 

It is very true, though, that students can find schools which fit their needs not only financially but also academically, class-size, area of study, etc.  There are colleges like Evergreen or Reed which would fit an unschooled student very well (Reed is pass/fail, no letter grades; both do many cross-subject collaboration and long-term projects).  It's really important for students to visit the campus, speak with students who attend there, see what the res hall facilities are like, see what a typical class size is like, attend a few classes. 

I would hope that parents do a better job of helping students research schools which fit their price range, their academic and social interests today -- but honestly, having worked with a college prep program for low-income students within the past few years, most of those students were choosing schools based solely on affordability with little or no idea how marketable that school and that degree would be.  That reflects their income levels, yes (although these students were all of a caliber that they were getting good scholarships), but it also reflects a lack of knowledge about what college is like, and how to find a good fit. 

 

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