Vaccinating Without Parental Knowledge Soon To Become The Norm Across The World

[emmy526]

http://www.preventdisease.com/news/11/092811_Vaccinating-Without-Parental-Knowledge-Soon-To-Become-The-Norm-Across-The-World.shtml

It was just a little over one year ago when the pharmaceutical industry, the Department of Health and Human Services, and Centers for Disease Control allocated millions of dollars in funding to establish vaccine clinics in public schools, causing a huge uproar from concerned parents. 

The RAND Corporation, paid by Sanofi Pasteur, outlined how to turn schools into vaccine clinics, which critics claimed will inevitably poison children with multi-dose vaccines. 

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...............................

[Mirzam]

People we are on our own. We have to claim our sovereign right over our health or be consigned to a lifetime of chronic ill health (its not really ill health as such, but having our bodies in a constant state of healing that never resolves) if we choose their conventional medicine. It is patently obvious that governments and the corporations that control them do not have our best interests at heart at the very least. I have taught my children to resist any vaccinations they might be forced to take at school. They know to call me immediately, hide and leave the building as soon as they can, if they need to.

[member234098]

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Edited by member234098 - 5/29/12 at 8:16am

[Bokonon]

Originally Posted by miriam 

OMG! If I had children of school age today, I would homeschool, again.

What happens if you have an exemption on file and your child goes in anyway?  Does anyone pay attention to the exemption on record?  

This is why I remind my son often that if anyone tries to give him a shot, to scream NO and tell them to call his mother.  I don't know that my school district will do shots at school, or that they won't respect exemptions or even respect my son saying no, but it's the best I can do (other than keeping him home on a known shot day if there was one).  

Homeschooling isn't an option for my family, and the recent developments in California scare me. 

[member234098]

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Edited by member234098 - 5/29/12 at 8:14am

[SilverMoon010]

Originally Posted by miriam 

We should all recall that Marcella Gruelle died in just this way. She was supposedly given a smallpox vaccination at school w/o her parents' knowledge nor their permission nearly 100 years ago.  We need to learn from our mistakes or we will just repeat them and have to live through the tragedies all over again.

She died from the side effects of the vaccines.  You know her through her dolls, the Raggedy Ann and Andy dolls.

"Gruelle created Raggedy Ann for his daughter, Marcella, when she brought him an old hand-made rag doll and he drew a face on it. From his bookshelf, he pulled a book of poems by James Whitcomb Riley, and combined the names of two poems, "The Raggedy Man" and "Little Orphant Annie." He said, "Why don’t we call her Raggedy Ann?" 

Marcella died at age 13 after being vaccinated at school for smallpox without her parents' consent. Authorities blamed a heart defect, but her parents blamed the vaccination. Gruelle became an opponent of vaccination, and the Raggedy Ann doll was used as a symbol by the anti-vaccination movement" -from wikipedia article on Raggedy Ann.

Note the italicized bolded line - sound familiar?

Wow, I didn't even know they did that at schools back then.  I didn't know this about the Raggedy Ann doll. Thanks for providing the background on this miriam! Very interesting.
 

[thtr4me]

That is so interesting about Raggedy Ann.  Makes me want to go get one now.

[philomom]

Scary.. we select and delay vax. One of mine does have a vaccine related injury.. I do not discuss it online because she's close enough to adult age that I feel its her business not mine. My kids have never been at schools where shots were given but I did coach them that they were to receive NO shots unless mom or dad were present.

[zinemama]

The only involvement our local schools have in vaccines is sending a letter when kids are not up-to-date. This sounds like a lot of overblown hysteria to me. Did you people not read in the article that parental consent forms would have to be obtained in that scenario? Even if there were vaccine clinics in schools, they wouldn't be dragging children in without parental say so. This is hardly something I would bail on public school over.

[emmy526]

Originally Posted by zinemama 

 Even if there were vaccine clinics in schools, they wouldn't be dragging children in without parental say so. This is hardly something I would bail on public school over.

yes, actually children have been vaxed without parental consent at school...they have also been vaxed when the parent signed the NO VAX on the form..and the child was vaxed anyway.  I wouldn't bail on public school over it, but i would keep my child home that day to prevent an "accidental" vaccinating.

[BeckyBird]

This is disturbing. "But parental consent forms are not a guarantee that children whose parents do not consent to the H1N1 vaccination, or who actively object to it, will not mistakenly receive the vaccine. The relative success of school-located H1N1 vaccination programs in mass immunizing an at-risk population has been peppered with media reports of vaccines mistakenly administered, contrary to parental consent.

Mistakenly, but it still happened.

There is even a whole section, titled:      

IV. Non-injurious school vaccine mistakes

*"Causes of action in incidents of H1N1 vaccines mistakenly given to children, contrary to parental consent, which do not result in any immediate apparent injury, are unlikely to succeed in the historical and modern judicial climate surrounding school vaccinations, despite the claims of some that such acts may constitute battery or assault."

*How's this one for you......"Justice Harlan wrote: “[T]he liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States . . . does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint. There are manifold restraints to which every person is necessarily subject for the common good. One such restraint that courts have long favored is vaccination requirements, because of their public health benefits."

*The H1N1 school-located vaccine clinics are examples of such “common good” public health initiatives, which have been historically treated with favor by the courts. Thus, parents seeking remedy for vaccines administered to their children without consent face a number of obstacles.

To read the entire article--and it's a great read--click here http://www.mdchhs.com/sites/default/files/pdf_articles/needles_in_the_h1n1_haystack.pdf

What would you do if your child were subjected to a medical procedure against your wishes? Think about it....I'm sure 99% of you parents have at least  ~ONE~ thing you don't want your kid to do/have: High Fructose Corn Syrup, Aspartame, Meat products, Listen to/watch something against your beliefs, such as religious or political in nature, etc.  The list is endless, so think of something you don't want your kid to have, eat, watch, learn, etc.

Now, what if your kid were given this at school, and you strongly disapproved? What would you do? What could you do about it? This is such a violation, and I hope even those of you who love vaccines can see the problem with it.

[member234098]

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Edited by member234098 - 5/29/12 at 8:11am

[_ktg_]

Originally Posted by miriam 

If you consider how many women on these boards have complained that their newborns receive the Hepatitis B vaccine at birth w/o permission and against the parents' wishes, then what would keep a school nurse from cajoling a young child into accepting a vaccine if they could be convinced it was for their betterment?

Most likely the ethics of practicing medicine, the ideals of upholding informed consent and the overwhelming likelihood the parents would sue the school & nurse

[zinemama]

Originally Posted by _ktg_ 

Most likely the ethics of practicing medicine, the ideals of upholding informed consent and the overwhelming likelihood the parents would sue the school & nurse

Yeah, those are the things I was thinking of that would prevent it.

Honestly, I haven't seen scores of women on these boards claiming that their babies were vaccinated with Hep B without their consent. I've read stories of women being pressured by doctors to consent (which is not the same) and of situations where one parent had a child vaccinated without the knowledge of the other (which is not the same thing, either). I'm not saying it's never happened, but in our litigious society, I doubt it happens a lot. (I declined Hep B for my newborn and you can bet I'd have sued if he'd been vaccinated. As it was, no one made a peep about it.)

[member234098]

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Edited by member234098 - 5/29/12 at 8:10am

[Bokonon]

Originally Posted by zinemama 


Yeah, those are the things I was thinking of that would prevent it.
Honestly, I haven't seen scores of women on these boards claiming that their babies were vaccinated with Hep B without their consent. I've read stories of women being pressured by doctors to consent (which is not the same) and of situations where one parent had a child vaccinated without the knowledge of the other (which is not the same thing, either). I'm not saying it's never happened, but in our litigious society, I doubt it happens a lot. (I declined Hep B for my newborn and you can bet I'd have sued if he'd been vaccinated. As it was, no one made a peep about it.)

But if the baby was out of your sight for even a minute, and there was no adverse reaction (or even if there was!), you might not know if he had been vaccinated without your consent.

I do see moms posting about nurses at the pediatrician's office just giving a shot before the mom can even say no, or retracting their son's foreskins for that matter.  Consent is not always practiced or even asked for.

[zinemama]

Originally Posted by Bokonon 

But if the baby was out of your sight for even a minute, and there was no adverse reaction (or even if there was!), you might not know if he had been vaccinated without your consent.

So you're saying you believe a doctor would vaccinate a child without the parent's consent and then fail to document that in the medical record?

[Bokonon]

Originally Posted by zinemama 


So you're saying you believe a doctor would vaccinate a child without the parent's consent and then fail to document that in the medical record?

I believe that a nurse might vaccinate a child without consent and then document it.  How many parents read their newborn's medical record?  Written consent is not needed for vaccinations - I never had to sign anything when my son got his shots.  I've read of many NICU moms whose wishes were not respected with regards to vaccination and circumcision, as well as giving formula and pacifiers.

[zinemama]

Originally Posted by Bokonon 

I believe that a nurse might vaccinate a child without consent and then document it.  How many parents read their newborn's medical record?  Written consent is not needed for vaccinations - I never had to sign anything when my son got his shots.  I've read of many NICU moms whose wishes were not respected with regards to vaccination and circumcision, as well as giving formula and pacifiers.

Before any vaccinations have been given to my kids, the nurse or doctor has always gone over the vaccination record with me, so that I know exactly what my child is there for and what has been given previously. It would have been obvious to me if my kid had gotten vaccinated without my consent.

You are correct that written consent is not required. But federal law requires that the Vaccine Information Sheet is given to parents prior to any vaccination. How many rogue nurses do you think are out there routinely flouting federal law? What would be the point?

[Bokonon]

Originally Posted by zinemama 


Before any vaccinations have been given to my kids, the nurse or doctor has always gone over the vaccination record with me, so that I know exactly what my child is there for and what has been given previously. It would have been obvious to me if my kid had gotten vaccinated without my consent.
You are correct that written consent is not required. But federal law requires that the Vaccine Information Sheet is given to parents prior to any vaccination. How many rogue nurses do you think are out there routinely flouting federal law? What would be the point?

I don't know what the point would be.  But that's irrelevant, as it is apparently happening.

http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/newhepb.html#Parental