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post #41 of 118

I can't seem to do this for more than a short time without getting colostrum all over myself!

post #42 of 118

I'm 37 weeks today - bring on the labor inducers! I've started taking Gentle Birth tincture, which actually says you can take it starting at 35 wks, but I just didn't, for whatever reason. I'm also starting EPO vaginally, and will probably try to force myself to stay awake later than the kids to have sex more often than normal. And I figure my 20 month old nursling has the nipple stimulation under control. I'd really like to have this baby before my due date, because my parents are coming in town for a week and they leave the day after my due date. Judging by my last two births, they'll miss seeing the  baby. :(

post #43 of 118
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Originally Posted by TalkToMeNow View Post

Wow... Breast stimulation sounds promising. I'm assuming this is nipple twiddling, basically?

Most women were using breast pumps.  There were other studies where a  pump was used for 15 minutes then a break, then 15 minutes like J mentioned.  Those results were not as conclusive, but there was still a difference.


 

 

post #44 of 118

I used nipple stimulation to get things going with #2.  I'm sure that my body was ready to go into labor, but it certainly helped get my contractions going more.  Even now I only have to stimulate my nipples for 1-2 minutes before I start getting contractions.  I have no idea how long it would take to actually put me in labor?  I'm sure that I could only take 15 minutes total before it would hurt and I'd be fed up though!
 

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Most women were using breast pumps.  There were other studies where a  pump was used for 15 minutes then a break, then 15 minutes like J mentioned.  Those results were not as conclusive, but there was still a difference.


 

 



 

post #45 of 118
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I can't seem to do this for more than a short time without getting colostrum all over myself!



Haha I think I'd prefer to use the natural lube rather than dry twiddling.  That's just me though haha!

 

I would sit and watch tv, rubbing my nipples through my shirt or bra (this was with DS1).  I can't stand the naked nipple stim.  Ouch.  But it did get some BH ctx going, didn't put me into labor though.

 

ETA it also might just be helpful to go braless and let your nips naturally rub on a loose fitting t-shirt all day.  Worth a try I guess?

post #46 of 118

Anyone use any herb combos? Like Chrisophers labor prep or Gentle birth or Trilight herbs?

post #47 of 118
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Originally Posted by KaliShanti View Post

Anyone use any herb combos? Like Chrisophers labor prep or Gentle birth or Trilight herbs?



I'm taking Gentle Birth. I'm only 37+3 though, so I can't say as it's done anything. My MW says it does make a difference, though. We'll see!

post #48 of 118
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Anyone use any herb combos? Like Chrisophers labor prep or Gentle birth or Trilight herbs?

I think what I took with ds last pregnancy was Gentle Birth, but I'm not positive.  I thought I took a combo of blue and black cohoshes, but Gentle Birth tincture doesn't have black cohosh in it so I'm unsure.  I am personally fine with these types of products once I pass full term (tomorrow for you, right?).   I plan on taking some black cohosh starting around 38ish weeks.  I need this baby to wait until 39 weeks for my MIL to arrive and help out with the kids.  With my last two pregnancies I have gone into labor within a week of starting the cohoshes.

post #49 of 118
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Originally Posted by Jaimee View Post

I think what I took with ds last pregnancy was Gentle Birth, but I'm not positive.  I thought I took a combo of blue and black cohoshes, but Gentle Birth tincture doesn't have black cohosh in it so I'm unsure.  I am personally fine with these types of products once I pass full term (tomorrow for you, right?).   I plan on taking some black cohosh starting around 38ish weeks.  I need this baby to wait until 39 weeks for my MIL to arrive and help out with the kids.  With my last two pregnancies I have gone into labor within a week of starting the cohoshes.



I could've sworn it had both cohoshes in it, but you;re right, just blue. I'd love to go into labor within a week of starting it!

post #50 of 118

 

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Originally Posted by Jaimee View Post

I think what I took with ds last pregnancy was Gentle Birth, but I'm not positive.  I thought I took a combo of blue and black cohoshes, but Gentle Birth tincture doesn't have black cohosh in it so I'm unsure.  I am personally fine with these types of products once I pass full term (tomorrow for you, right?).   I plan on taking some black cohosh starting around 38ish weeks.  I need this baby to wait until 39 weeks for my MIL to arrive and help out with the kids.  With my last two pregnancies I have gone into labor within a week of starting the cohoshes.



Yes I'll be 37 weeks tomorrow. I ordered some of Christophers Birth Prep capsules. It has: Squawvine Herb, Blessed Thistle Herb, Black Cohosh Root, Pennyroyal Herb, False Unicorn Root, Red Raspberry Leaf & Lobelia Herb.

post #51 of 118

I wish nipple stim worked for me. I keep asking DD if she wants to nurse, hoping it will get things going, but nothing. Ever. Not once have I gotten a contraction from her nursing. Sigh. 

post #52 of 118

So, I have a question for everyone on this thread.  Is it really much different to try to coax a baby out with a 'natural method' rather than an induced, medical method?  I can understand if a women is under a time crunch or going to be forced to do some medical intervention, but what about everyone else?  What if your baby isn't ready to come out at 38, 39 or even 40 weeks?  I know that most natural methods really won't work unless the baby is close to being ready, but then, isn't your baby about to come out anyway?  I don't mean any harm in the question, I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on it..

post #53 of 118
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Originally Posted by Abraisme View Post

So, I have a question for everyone on this thread.  Is it really much different to try to coax a baby out with a 'natural method' rather than an induced, medical method?  I can understand if a women is under a time crunch or going to be forced to do some medical intervention, but what about everyone else?  What if your baby isn't ready to come out at 38, 39 or even 40 weeks?  I know that most natural methods really won't work unless the baby is close to being ready, but then, isn't your baby about to come out anyway?  I don't mean any harm in the question, I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on it..



My thoughts: I personally don't want to do anything until 40 weeks. Okay, in this case 39 weeks 6 days, as I may ask to have my membranes stripped tomorrow. But, I may not... I'm not completely sure how I feel about that. In theory, I think I shouldn't do anything at all and just let baby come when it's ready. In theory. In practice, at some point I will drive my entire family insane. That may make me change my mind. 

 

I've never taken any herbs to encourage labor or used castor oil or EPO. I also don't believe most of the things you can do on your own are effective. They just aren't quite enough unless it's time anyway. This is just my thought, though... I am no expert! 

 

I will say that over the years I've seen threads concerning what is natural and what is not, what constitutes "true" natural birth and what does not. I've seen people write that using natural induction methods cancels out the naturalness of birth and so on. To me, that is turning childbirth into a pissing contest.** While I personally frown on elective medical induction, I'm okay with whatever else a woman wants to do. Especially with the women I know and hang out with. Unless specifically asked, I don't share that I have natural births. I don't think I know anyone else who does and people tend to think you sound superior or something if you share that. (I mean, that's been my experience... I know we all don't have a superior attitude or anything!)

 

 

Oh, final thought: this baby better be ready to come out at 40 weeks. That's all! 

 

 

**ETA: Abra, I know that's not what you are doing... just stating what I've seen in the past. 

post #54 of 118

I'm so glad you asked this, Abra.  I've been thinking the same thing, and wondering what people thought.... (my thoughts below)
 

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Originally Posted by Abraisme View Post

So, I have a question for everyone on this thread.  Is it really much different to try to coax a baby out with a 'natural method' rather than an induced, medical method?  I can understand if a women is under a time crunch or going to be forced to do some medical intervention, but what about everyone else?  What if your baby isn't ready to come out at 38, 39 or even 40 weeks?  I know that most natural methods really won't work unless the baby is close to being ready, but then, isn't your baby about to come out anyway?  I don't mean any harm in the question, I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on it..


 

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My thoughts: I personally don't want to do anything until 40 weeks. Okay, in this case 39 weeks 6 days, as I may ask to have my membranes stripped tomorrow. But, I may not... I'm not completely sure how I feel about that. In theory, I think I shouldn't do anything at all and just let baby come when it's ready. In theory. In practice, at some point I will drive my entire family insane. That may make me change my mind. 

 

I've never taken any herbs to encourage labor or used castor oil or EPO. I also don't believe most of the things you can do on your own are effective. They just aren't quite enough unless it's time anyway. This is just my thought, though... I am no expert! 

 

I will say that over the years I've seen threads concerning what is natural and what is not, what constitutes "true" natural birth and what does not. I've seen people write that using natural induction methods cancels out the naturalness of birth and so on. To me, that is turning childbirth into a pissing contest.** While I personally frown on elective medical induction, I'm okay with whatever else a woman wants to do. Especially with the women I know and hang out with. Unless specifically asked, I don't share that I have natural births. I don't think I know anyone else who does and people tend to think you sound superior or something if you share that. (I mean, that's been my experience... I know we all don't have a superior attitude or anything!)

 

 

Oh, final thought: this baby better be ready to come out at 40 weeks. That's all! 

 

 

**ETA: Abra, I know that's not what you are doing... just stating what I've seen in the past. 


I pretty much agree with Amanda.  I *sort of* see a difference between natural/medical induction methods, but only in one sense (get to that in a minute).  As far as whether baby is ready or not, I think we don't really know for sure if there is a difference between natural/medical methods.  And then there is the possibility that baby is ready but our bodies need a boost, etc.  I think a lot of it is really speculation since experts have no idea what chain of events cause a woman to start labor.  If we knew that, we'd be better at starting it on our own :-)  

 

I personally would never do something to try to get baby out intentionally until after 39 weeks. (and even then I'd only do it if there was a damn good reason.  For instance, I will ask for a sweep at my 39 week appt this week IF baby is head down.  I just want to ensure that I get my birth, even if that means trying to get things started *early*.  it also might not work.  I'm okay with that too.) This 39-week starting point for me is based on a lot of research regarding the health of the fetus.  That's the March of Dimes recommendation as well.  I also personally think (and research agrees) that every day in the womb is worth ~3 days of development outside the womb.  It's just the perfect environment for development, and I want every day in there that we can eek out.  Now, during my first pregnancy I was much more in a hurry to get things going, but this time I realize that this hard time during the end of pregnancy is a season- it's temporary and it really does go fast.  Please don't throw tomatoes at me! tomato.gif I don't know where this zen attitude is coming from, since like I said was a MESS of impatience and anger and frustration by this time with DS1.  So I also totally understand most women feeling like they are SO DONE with pregnancy.  

 

Anyway yeah I don't see a reason to start intervening in the natural process unless someone is past 39-40 weeks and there is some medical or other important indication to get things over with asap. In theory.  Like Amanda said. 

 

Now, I also see a HUGE difference between natural and medical methods, and that is the effect on the fetus.  Assuming that baby is ready, I think medical induction methods clearly have distressing and possibly damaging effects on the fetus- some that we can't even measure or understand.  There is also the cascade of interventions.... I don't think most natural methods carry as much risk as medical methods.  So from purely a health standpoint, I see no problem trying natural induction methods but see HUGE issues with medical methods.  

 

So in practice I really have no issue with natural methods, I personally just won't be using them unless necessary.  I also agree with Amanda's statement about turning natural birth into a pissing contest.  I don't like that women do that to each other, whether it's in regard to birthing or parenting or breastfeeding or anything.  I also don't share thoughts about "natural" birthing unless asked, and if I do I prefer to use the term "med-free".  That's just me.redface.gif

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #55 of 118

Thanks for the insight.

 

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My thoughts: I personally don't want to do anything until 40 weeks. Okay, in this case 39 weeks 6 days, as I may ask to have my membranes stripped tomorrow. But, I may not... I'm not completely sure how I feel about that. In theory, I think I shouldn't do anything at all and just let baby come when it's ready. In theory. In practice, at some point I will drive my entire family insane. That may make me change my mind. 

 

I've never taken any herbs to encourage labor or used castor oil or EPO. I also don't believe most of the things you can do on your own are effective. They just aren't quite enough unless it's time anyway. This is just my thought, though... I am no expert! 

 

I will say that over the years I've seen threads concerning what is natural and what is not, what constitutes "true" natural birth and what does not. I've seen people write that using natural induction methods cancels out the naturalness of birth and so on. To me, that is turning childbirth into a pissing contest.** While I personally frown on elective medical induction, I'm okay with whatever else a woman wants to do. Especially with the women I know and hang out with. Unless specifically asked, I don't share that I have natural births. I don't think I know anyone else who does and people tend to think you sound superior or something if you share that. (I mean, that's been my experience... I know we all don't have a superior attitude or anything!)

 

 

Oh, final thought: this baby better be ready to come out at 40 weeks. That's all! 

 

 

**ETA: Abra, I know that's not what you are doing... just stating what I've seen in the past. 


Yes, I agree with this..  I also agree that I know it's all very temporary and another week isn't really going to matter in the span of things.  Thanks for answering, it's just something that I've been pondering the last few days and wanted to ask without offending anyone (which I often suck at).

 

 

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Now, I also see a HUGE difference between natural and medical methods, and that is the effect on the fetus.  Assuming that baby is ready, I think medical induction methods clearly have distressing and possibly damaging effects on the fetus- some that we can't even measure or understand.  There is also the cascade of interventions.... I don't think most natural methods carry as much risk as medical methods.  So from purely a health standpoint, I see no problem trying natural induction methods but see HUGE issues with medical methods.  

 

So in practice I really have no issue with natural methods, I personally just won't be using them unless necessary.  I also agree with Amanda's statement about turning natural birth into a pissing contest.  I don't like that women do that to each other, whether it's in regard to birthing or parenting or breastfeeding or anything.  I also don't share thoughts about "natural" birthing unless asked, and if I do I prefer to use the term "med-free".  That's just me.redface.gif

 

 

post #56 of 118
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Originally Posted by Abraisme View Post

Thanks for the insight.  I really don't think there's anything wrong with trying to activate labor in a 'natural' way, I just personally don't see any need for it.
 



 



That would be my short answer.  You know, if I was capable of short answers.  LOL  lol.gif

post #57 of 118
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Hmmm... for me I guess I just don't see anything wrong with most natural induction techniques b/c they aren't going to work unless the body is nearly ready anyway.  It's more of a little nudge in the right direction and offers some sense of control, which can help emotionally.  Like J, I see a major difference between these and medical induction methods since the latter forces the body into labor, ready or not and that can lead to so many other issues, including emotional ones.

 

With my first, my mw just handed me a list of things that I could start doing at 37 weeks and I thought, hey, why not?  So when I ended up going into to labor a week after trying them I thought wow, I guess that worked well.  But who knows, what I did may have had nothing to do with when I went into labor.  But I sure felt happy about the process- maybe like I had had some sort of say in how things all happened.  I'm not sure.

 

With my second, I was just in a ton of pain toward the end and wasn't sleeping.  I really wanted to get things moving along and I did wait it out without trying anything until 39 weeks at which  point, again, my mw handed me a tincture without a second thought and also did the membrane sweep without asking me (which looking back, I think it strange that she didn't ask).  And once again, I was in labor less than a week later (in fact just a few days later).  So again, I felt like it was helpful to me.

 

This time... I'm not sure.  I might start something in week 38 or I might not.   It's probably not worth risking having this baby before my MIL gets here by trying to push things along, but we'll see what tune I'm singing 10 days from now.  The pain is getting worse every day and I'm just not doing well with my irritability and how I'm parenting.  I know it's not long in the scheme of things, but I feel in my gut, getting this baby out sooner rather than later (now that I'm full term) is best for my family, like Amanda said.  We'll see if baby agrees!

post #58 of 118

I suppose it depends on what you are doing and why. I like to do things that will supposedly PREP my body for labor, not necessarily SEND my body into labor. :)

post #59 of 118

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That would be my short answer.  You know, if I was capable of short answers.  LOL  lol.gif


 

Thanks!  So basically it seems to come down to having a feeling of control over the whole thing, whether it's actually doing anything or not.  My midwives have never once brought up a natural induction method, but others seem to offer it up asap.  I suppose it's just all the variation from one care provider to another..  Or maybe they've never offered anything to me because I'm what they call a "low needs client".  I tend to not worry about a week here or there, as I know that it will happen eventually.  However, like I said, I've generally been feeling pretty good, so I'm sure that adds to my ability to wait.  Some of you poor mamas have really had a hard time, I can't even imagine.  hug2.gif



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Hmmm... for me I guess I just don't see anything wrong with most natural induction techniques b/c they aren't going to work unless the body is nearly ready anyway.  It's more of a little nudge in the right direction and offers some sense of control, which can help emotionally.  Like J, I see a major difference between these and medical induction methods since the latter forces the body into labor, ready or not and that can lead to so many other issues, including emotional ones.

 

With my first, my mw just handed me a list of things that I could start doing at 37 weeks and I thought, hey, why not?  So when I ended up going into to labor a week after trying them I thought wow, I guess that worked well.  But who knows, what I did may have had nothing to do with when I went into labor.  But I sure felt happy about the process- maybe like I had had some sort of say in how things all happened.  I'm not sure.

 

With my second, I was just in a ton of pain toward the end and wasn't sleeping.  I really wanted to get things moving along and I did wait it out without trying anything until 39 weeks at which  point, again, my mw handed me a tincture without a second thought and also did the membrane sweep without asking me (which looking back, I think it strange that she didn't ask).  And once again, I was in labor less than a week later (in fact just a few days later).  So again, I felt like it was helpful to me.

 

This time... I'm not sure.  I might start something in week 38 or I might not.   It's probably not worth risking having this baby before my MIL gets here by trying to push things along, but we'll see what tune I'm singing 10 days from now.  The pain is getting worse every day and I'm just not doing well with my irritability and how I'm parenting.  I know it's not long in the scheme of things, but I feel in my gut, getting this baby out sooner rather than later (now that I'm full term) is best for my family, like Amanda said.  We'll see if baby agrees!



 

post #60 of 118

Yeah, I started "labor prep" stuff as early as 35 weeks with my last one, on the rec. of my midwives.  Didn't do anything like a stretch/sweep til 39 tho.  

 

I'm 39++ today, tho, if not more than that (!), and IMO I'd rather at least try to get this show on the road with something like castor oil or a stretch/sweep.  If I'm going to end up getting a NST or doing other medical stuff to preserve my own peace of mind for baby's safety cause I'm headed toward 42-43 weeks, I want to do that with the knowledge that I tried to get labor started first!  Castor oil is a heck of a lot cheaper and less stressful than an NST--at least IMO ;)

 

So, anyhow.  Still pregnant here.  I think my "zen attitude" has devolved into apathy...ugh.

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