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Dairy free without soy?

post #1 of 48
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Anyone do this? How? Mainly, I can't imagine not eating cheese. I also like to sub yogurt for mayo. I don't do soy products, though.
post #2 of 48

 

We're  not dairy free, but last summer I found a terrific substitute for whipped cream, if you are interested.

 

Chill a couple of cans of coconut milk in the refrigerator - I just keep a couple of cans in there, but a day or so should do. When you open the can, most of it will have solidified into a thick cream. You can whip this into a fluffy topping in a couple of minutes in a stand mixer. 

 

I've tried some other non-dairy, non-soy substitutes. The texture of nutritional yeast, as a substitute for cheese, just isn't appealing to me, and I don't care for the taste either. I like nut milks like almond milk or cashew milk.

 

Honestly, I know I would have a difficult time trying to be dairy-free. Many people are very happy and very well with dairy-free though, so I think it's do-able. 

 

 

post #3 of 48

There are some good coconut products.  SoDelicious is the brand we buy.  They definitely have milk (in cartons, not that super creamy canned stuff), yogurt, icecream, coffee creamer, etc.  They may have cheese and I think they have sour cream.  I hate both even with dairy so I don't know for sure but I think I have seen them.  Whole Foods sells the products as do most co-ops and even lots of mainstream grocery stores. 

post #4 of 48
Thread Starter 
I should have added that I can't do nut milks like almond because they make me nauseous. I think I'm slightly sensitive/allergic to nuts.

I can do coconut, though. Unfortunately, we don't have a Whole Foods here. Some stores do sell coconut milk but I haven't noticed any yogurts or cheeses. I'll have to look more closely. My main concern with those products, though, is that they don't have much, if any, protein. I eat cheese as a protein source because it's quick and easy (and I like it).

eta i don't drink milk and my kids mostly only use it for cereal.
post #5 of 48

I love coconut milk and creamer. I don't think they have cheese. The best non dairy cheese is called Daiya. It melts well and I think it is made from Tapioca. Really when you go dairy free you don't replace cheese, you just manage to live without it. You should post in the Vegetarian/Vegan section of this area, you'll get more replies. 

post #6 of 48

We are dairy and soy free..Gluten free also..It is tough but it is getting easier with newer products coming out...Daiya Cheese is the best!!! It is dairy and soy free..We use it for everything and even I can't tell the difference..They have mozzerella and Cheddar..I use it for Tacos,lasagna,pizza ect...Amy's makes a great mac and cheese that is soy and dairy free and you can't tell it isn't real cheese..We love it when we can afford it...So Delicious makes a great dairy and soy free yogurt..We like to get the vanilla...My girl loves their vanilla ice cream also...For milk I buy Pacific Rice Milk..We don't do nut milks either..So delicious does have a coconut milk but it gives L diareah...What stores do you have? Do you have a Kroger by any chance? That is where I get most of ours...My nearest Whole Foods is almost 2 hours away and I don't get there much...Oh and for butter you can buy Earth Balance Dairy and Soy free butter..It is the best!!! We use it for everything...You could probably order all that stuff online if you can't find it locally and your local stores won't order it for you but shipping could get pricey for things that have to be kept cold...I know how tough it can be and I hope you can find everything you are looking for..

post #7 of 48


This sounds awesome and I am definitly going to try it with the holidays coming up...Do you add sugar or anything when you whip it or just as is??? What brand of coconut milk do you use? I am going to buy a can on my next shopping trip and make it and try it..I am so excited!!!!
 

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Originally Posted by ollyoxenfree View Post

 

We're  not dairy free, but last summer I found a terrific substitute for whipped cream, if you are interested.

 

Chill a couple of cans of coconut milk in the refrigerator - I just keep a couple of cans in there, but a day or so should do. When you open the can, most of it will have solidified into a thick cream. You can whip this into a fluffy topping in a couple of minutes in a stand mixer. 

 

I've tried some other non-dairy, non-soy substitutes. The texture of nutritional yeast, as a substitute for cheese, just isn't appealing to me, and I don't care for the taste either. I like nut milks like almond milk or cashew milk.

 

Honestly, I know I would have a difficult time trying to be dairy-free. Many people are very happy and very well with dairy-free though, so I think it's do-able. 

 

 



 

post #8 of 48
Thread Starter 
that whipped coconut milk does sound good.

i didn't post in the vegetarian/vegan board because everyone i know who eats that way uses a lot of soy.

i'm going to try to go gluten free, too. that seems easier to me because there are lots of types of flour. it seems soy is the only thing used in place of dairy. i know there are others but they aren't very available, at least where i live.

i have the commissary, food lion, piggly wiggly and walmart. except for piggly wiggly, which i've never shopped at, they all carry some things but one does not carry all. walmart probably has the biggest selection of coconut milk products. i hate shopping there because it's so big and crowded and i can't use my bags (besides it just being walmart). we did just get a new organic health food store that carries that cheese, i think. it is expensive, though. tapioca is a grain, right?

i can get rice milk easily. it seems strange to me, just like soy milk. rice doesn't naturally produce a liquid. kwim? that's why i prefer coconut milk.
post #9 of 48

We are gluten, dairy, cane sugar, and tomato free vegetarians and I LOVE the diet. I also avoid soy, carageenan, msg (including nutritional yeast and other similar yeast products that are also glutamates.) I thought getting rid of dairy would be hard, but it hasn't been. Due to my daughter's needs we have made all these changes (except the vegetarian part) so we had no choice and though it's taken time to figure it all out, with forums and google you can find recipes for almost everything you want.

 

I'm actually in a hurry, but if you search some of my old posts here and in the veggie section you'll see a lot of recipe links I've posted. 

 

We use either Rice Dream or Trader Joe's rice drink since they meet all our needs. We make coconut whipped cream all the time and even turn it into ice cream. I use coconut milk in soups and gravies (though you have to be careful since it is a bit sweet.)

Earth Balance is a good vegan butter.

 

Do post in the veggie section and just say no soy. There are lots of us there that don't use soy.

 

Daiya cheese has a yeast that is essentially msg so we only use it when our daughter specifically asks for it.

 

So, if you want cream of broccoli soup that's dairy free just google it (or in this case go to http://glutenfreegoddess.blogspot.com/ for a great recipe. She uses potatoes and coconut milk to make it creamy.)

 

Instead of soy sauce or tamari you can use coconut aminos. I haven't tried them yet but look forward to doing so.

 

I'll try and give more specifics later.

 

Oh, I only make one can of coconut whipped cream at a time. It's plenty for my family. I whip until creamy then add 2 Tbsp honey and sometimes 1 Tbsp vanilla and whip just enough to mix it all together.

post #10 of 48

IMO soy free is definitely harder than dairy free.  eliminating dairy just involved breaking habits, eliminating soy (which is in nearly everything!) was much harder. Other posters have made great suggestions - really, I just googled recipes until I found my groove in terms of what I liked for substitutes. We are dairy, soy, and gluten free as well.  It really just means that you need to make all your own food, which for me was a big adjustment, but it pretty easy now that I've got the hang of it.  Anyway, I just wanted to mention that you can try amazon for brands that you can't find at local stores.  Usually, if you find something that you like and use it on a regular basis, you can get a discount for signing up for regular deliveries - eating this way can get really expensive if you don't plan it well.  good luck!

post #11 of 48
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Originally Posted by BabySmurf View Post

IMO soy free is definitely harder than dairy free.  eliminating dairy just involved breaking habits, eliminating soy (which is in nearly everything!) was much harder


milk protein, casein, is in a lot of stuff, too, though. did you go that far or just eliminate the obvious stuff?

i've tried to go the route of looking up recipes and trying random subs but it got really expensive and i never felt like i knew what i was doing, had a plan.
post #12 of 48
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Originally Posted by MarineWife View Post


milk protein, casein, is in a lot of stuff, too, though. did you go that far or just eliminate the obvious stuff?
i've tried to go the route of looking up recipes and trying random subs but it got really expensive and i never felt like i knew what i was doing, had a plan.


Maybe it was just because dairy was the first thing I cut.  But yes I don't eat ANY of it. There are blogs out there that will give common replacements, and I read as many as I can, then try to make a choice depending on what works for my pantry.  I'm not going to be THAT disappointed if the texture isn't perfect, kwim? The more recipes you read, you will find that the same subs keep appearing.  (I love Earth Balance dairy free soy free (gluten free) butter, to me it's an indulgence that I can't see giving up, for special occasions I get SoDelicious Coconut Milk Dairy free, soy free (gluten free) Ice cream, but it's expensive, so I use it as a treat).  I basically stopped making "cream" of anything, but if I really need a creamy soup (i.e. broccoli), then I will use my milk replacement or butter...but it's rare. To be honest, after that stuff was out of my diet for a while I stopped craving it. Oh yeah, daiya makes a fake cheese that's wonderful if I want to do a chicken parm, or have cheesy eggs. but again, it's on the pricy side, and my body just doesn't look at cheesy dishes the way it used to.  (Seriously, I just went to a Pizza Party and had no problem what so ever avoiding the pizza). 

 

When I cut dairy out, I was only avoiding really obvious sources of soy.  So there were plenty of things to replace. Once I was paying more attention to soy, then I realized how many foods I truly have to avoid.  Now that I'm thinking about it, I had horrible withdrawals from dairy, and when I "test" soy, I have terrible headaches and mood swings, so I think a lot of the hopelessness I felt during the elimination phase was actually due to physical withdrawals....and hunger. 

 

Are you already avoiding soy, and now eliminating dairy, or are you trying to eliminate both?  If you are able, I would recommend just doing one thing at a time - or at least eliminate the obvious, and when you get more comfortable eliminate the hidden.  It's really hard to start out!  Oh, the other thing that helped me was that I would buy Kosher or Parve products, (parve is stricter), since they keep animal products (including dairy) separate. 

 

Anyway, I hope this helps!

post #13 of 48
Thread Starter 
I mainly want to eliminate dairy right now. I just didn't want to use soy as a substitute. So I'm not too concerned with the hidden soy in things at this point. Like I said, my main concern is finding something to sub for all the cheese I eat. I love cheese. I eat it by itself as a snack to get in extra protein. I don't want to use soy-based cheeses or yogurts (I don't eat yogurt, anyway, but do like to use it in place of mayo) as a sub for the dairy based ones. I hadn't even thought about butter. I use regular butter instead of margarine to avoid trans-fats. If that Earth Balance is an oil-based margarine (what else could it be if it's dairy and soy free?), I don't really want to use it.
post #14 of 48
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Originally Posted by Mylie View Post


This sounds awesome and I am definitly going to try it with the holidays coming up...Do you add sugar or anything when you whip it or just as is??? What brand of coconut milk do you use? I am going to buy a can on my next shopping trip and make it and try it..I am so excited!!!!
 



 



I found the post that inspired me - it was at thekitchn, linked to Apartment Therapy. My supermarket has the same brand that they show in the photos - Native Forest Organic. 

 

Since the "whipped cream" has a coconut flavour, I don't find it necessary to add anything. You can add a little sugar and/or vanilla if you like. It might depend on what you serve it with. I use it mostly with fresh fruit like berries or peaches, so it doesn't need to be too sweet. 

 

The first time I tried this, a single can produced only enough topping for a small scoop each for 4 people. There wasn't much for my stand mixer to beat, and it produced enough to garnish, but a little skimpy if it's a centre of the dessert. I usually use 2 cans now when I make it. 

post #15 of 48

When I first discovered earth balance I read it's not like regular margarines. It's actually not bad for you, though I don't remember the details

post #16 of 48

We use the Daiya too, but that's not going to replace regular cheese for protein.  Only soy or nut "cheeses" would do that. 

 

Hemp milk is another good dairy sub, and the seeds can be added to many things for protein & EFA's (or hemp powder - we add to smoothies).

 

Earth Balance makes another spead - a coconut-based one - that is also soy-free and quite tasty.  You mentioned you are trying to avoid transfats, and Earth Balance has none.

 

Enjoy Life Foods makes many dairy & soy-free items (and nut-free).  We especially like the mini chocolate chips yummy.gif

 

 

 

post #17 of 48
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Originally Posted by MarineWife View Post

I mainly want to eliminate dairy right now. I just didn't want to use soy as a substitute. So I'm not too concerned with the hidden soy in things at this point. Like I said, my main concern is finding something to sub for all the cheese I eat. I love cheese. I eat it by itself as a snack to get in extra protein. I don't want to use soy-based cheeses or yogurts (I don't eat yogurt, anyway, but do like to use it in place of mayo) as a sub for the dairy based ones. I hadn't even thought about butter. I use regular butter instead of margarine to avoid trans-fats. If that Earth Balance is an oil-based margarine (what else could it be if it's dairy and soy free?), I don't really want to use it.


Frankly I don't think you are going to find something to sub for cheese. Nothing out there has the same taste, texture and protein content. There are convenience items like Daiya but it has no protein, and if you love cheese it won't taste right. None of the vegan cheeses taste anything like real cheese to me, but I LOVE cheese, especially artisan cheese. My body disagrees with me, so I avoid it for the most part. 

post #18 of 48

Non-dairy cheeses are not as protein-heavy as animal milk ones.  You definitely can't exchange them, nutritionally.  You might not need as much protein as you think you do, though.  Going dairy-free is definitely worth it.  You will look and feel awesome!  But if you don't like soy or nuts...Uh...maybe beans for protein?  Are you vegetarian, or just trying to avoid dairy specifically?  Daiya is awesome, and you can order a giant frozen bag of it from vegan essentials, that should last you a while. 

post #19 of 48

Just a note on the meaning of "Kosher" and "parve."  Kosher means that certain rules have been applied in the preparation of the food.  This includes not having dairy and meat in the same dish.  Parve is a dish without either dairy or meat in it.

post #20 of 48
Thread Starter 
Thanks. I guess I can try going without cheese. greensad.gif

I'm not vegetarian. My dh follows the Paleo Diet so I don't want to add too much that he can't eat, like beans. I mainly want to eliminate gluten and dairy because I have digestive problems that I haven't been able to fix any other way.

I'm thinking I won't be able to do it, though. I do not cook. I don't like it. I hate being in the kitchen even for a short period. I get bored and distracted and have other things I'd rather be doing. There are just other things I'd rather do. There aren't enough convenience foods for me to completely eliminate either one of these.
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