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post #1 of 16
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I am new here and posted a thread once before but nobody responded and i felt a bit embarrassed having a conversation with myself in public. But now i'm feeling really in need of advice or insight from anyone else that might have experienced what i am experiencing right now. Please, if anyone can help, i'd really appreciate it.

 

In trying to keep a long story short, I thought i was out of the ttw because i got what i thought might be my period the night before i was to expect it, or possibly 2 days before. It didn't seem like a normal period for me as it was super light and only lasted for one and a half days. Now i'm wondering if i could actually be pregnant and the light bleeding was actually implantation bleeding. I've been searching the internet for info and what i have come up with is that implantation bleeding can occur close to when AF is expected and that many women mistake it for their period. Also, i had no cramps with this "period" and i usually do. I had cramping a few days before the bleeding started, which i thought could have been implantation because it reminded me of my first pregnancy tww. Another thing i read is that if this happens, you should wait a week to test. I want to know now! I am worried because if i am pregnant, i want to get on progesterone because my levels were on the low side of normal last pregnancy, and i just want to be safe. Do you think i could test tomorrow and trust the results if they are negative? Would a beta be able to give me the definitive answer? Anyone else ever bleed close to period time and mistake it for your period only to find out it was something else, possibly implantation bleeding, and find out you were actually pregnant? In addition, i have the bright blue veins all over my body right now, which i got in my first pregnancy this early. They are still here and i can't imagine what else they could be caused by if not pregnancy.

post #2 of 16

Hi Mittens!!!

 

So sorry that your last question didn't get responses.  That's an awful feeling.  Sometimes this board moves really slow.

 

That said, I don't really have much experience with your situation.  Sorry!  I didn't have any implantation bleeding when I was pregnant with DS, so I can't compare my experience with yours.  There's another poster around here named Jaimee that says that 84% of implantation takes place between 8-10 DPO, so if the bleeding that you're reporting falls into that time frame, it might be a good sign.

 

As for when to test, I've never heard of a recommendation based on when you may have implantation bleeding.  I've heard of a recommendation of when to test based on DPO.  Like, tests start turning + at 10 DPO or later.  

 

So whether you need to wait a week to test.... I don't know.  It all depends on when you ovulated.

 

Do you chart your daily temperature with a basal thermometer?  If you do (like on Fertility Friend or something) and can share it, that might help folks answer your questions.

 

Again, sorry I don't have much personal experience I can share with you.  But I didn't want to just read & run.

post #3 of 16
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Thanks so much for responding Belia, I really appreciate it!!

 

I have never charted before, i guess because I've always had a regular 28 day cycle, ovulating around cd14. However, i signed up with FF a few days ago and plan to chart this cycle, if this is a cycle. I keep forgetting to take my temperature before getting out of bed in the morning, though. But here is my October cycle if anyone can decipher what is going on just from that:

 

CD 1 - Oct 2

BD - Oct 12

O - Oct 16

4 DPO - 7 DPO approx - pulling feelings in pelvic, top of legs region - probably too early, but reminded me of round ligament pain, slight cramping, like construction work going on down there.

 

10 DPO (Oct 26) - possible implantation cramps

11 DPO (Oct 27) - the same for half the day

12 DPO (Oct 28)- BFN, no cramps, blue veins all over just like with my first pregnancy with DD.

13 DPO (Oct 29)- BFN, then late that night light spotting only when wiping, heavy pelvic feeling but no cramps

14 DPO (Oct 30)- spotting ends early in the day, no cramps

15 DPO (Today Oct 31) - pulling feelings in pelvic, top of legs region, no cramps, pink when wiping only. Wonder if i'm now getting my real period because feeling a bit heavy in the pelvic area again, but that has since stopped, too. Dull headache. The veins are still bright blue all over and i can't imagine what they could be from other than pregnancy.

 

Wondering when i should take another test. Those suckers are expensive so i don't want to be testing everyday, but i also want to know as early as possible so that if i am pregnant, i can get on progesterone. I read that HCG won't show up in urine until 4-5 days after you see implantation bleeding stop, which would be Thursday for me if i go by it stopping yesterday. Not sure what to make of wiping today and there being pink. Is this still possible implantation bleeding. No sign of anything heavier than that.......

post #4 of 16

Hi Mittens,

 

I think if your O date is correct, it is unlikely you wouldn't get accurate results if you test tomorrow. On the other hand, is it possible that what you were feeling from 4 to 7 dpo was actually ovulation? In that case you'd only be 8 to 11 dpo now and I'd probably wait a few more days to be sure. Honestly, super light spotting lilke you are describing doesn't sound like it's AF to me and if you are concerned about progesterone, I'd consider POAS asap. I know they are expensive but it might be worth it for your peace of mind.

 

Fingers crossed for you!

post #5 of 16

I am by no means a fertility expert, but I remember what it was like being new on here and wanted to respond!  When you say that you ovulated on Oct 16, are you guessing you ovulated then because its 14 days after your period started?   Or were you tracking specific fertility signs like cervical mucus that week?   The reason I ask, is because even women who usually have 28 day cycles do not always ovulate on the 14th day necessarily.  

 

For both of my pregnancies I was impatient and tested somewhere around 12 DPO and it was negative, but I got a positive result when I tried testing again 3 days later.  I buy the cheapest tests they sell at Target though, so I imagine mine aren't as sensitive as some of the fancier ones out there!    

post #6 of 16
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Carlin and Lizsky, thanks for your help!!

 

I haven't charted in the past, only gone on my regular cycle and cm. I had what i think was fertile cm on cd 14, 15 and 16 and "felt" i o'd on the 16th.. I have started a chart for my November cycle on FF but i'm not in the habit yet of taking temps, i need to try to find a way to remind myself. I think you are right, and i will test in the morning. Thanks again!

 

ps.i just read that nursing could be the cause of spotting in pregnancy. so much to decipher!

post #7 of 16

Hi Mittens!  Welcome to MDC!!  wave.gif  I'm sorry your previous post did not get answered.  Sometimes it's all in the title what people will respond to.

 

Without knowing for sure when you ovulated it can be very difficult to interpret all the signs and timing.  You mentioned fertile CF on CD 14-16, but did it dry up on CD 17?  This would be helpful in guessing, but again, cannot confirm for sure that you ovulated then.  Generally HPT's are accurate around 12-14 DPO, so your BFN's at 12 and 13 DPO say to me that either you did not O when you think you did or you're not likely pregnant.  Of course there are women that don't test positive until later on and certainly it's not over until AF arrives, but you've got some other things going on, too. 

 

Your spotting occurred on what you think is 13 and 14 DPO- this is outside the implantation window of 6-12 DPO (and has Belia pointed out, 84% of the time implantation occurs between 8 and 10 DPO).  So your spotting is probably not implantation spotting if you O'd when you say.  However, it's worth pointing out that implantation spotting is really not that common and what is more common is spotting/light bleeding around the time of expected AF.  If you have an average length LP of 12-14 days then this would make sense for O on CD 16 or possibly a day later.  But again, without charting we do not know your average length LP and when you're breastfeeding and your fertility is just returning, your LP might be on the shorter side and low/fluctuating progesterone could be an issue, causing that spotting.  But it stopped, so that's good!

 

Now, you also mention the cramping that you think could be related to implantation on 10 and 11 DPO.  If this indeed when the embryo implanted, then it could take a couple of days to build up enough hCG to trigger a BFP... again, this would be around 12-13 DPO, which is when you did test.  Certainly, some embryos produce lower levels of hCG and some women metabolize hCG at a slower rate and it may take (as you've read) more like 4-5 days to build up enough hCG to trigger that BFP.   That would be 14-16 DPO, which is where you think you're at now.  So I definitely second the recommendation to test again immediately!  Get yourself some dollar store tests and one FRER.  Take the dollar store tests as often as you'd like over the next few days b/c they're cheap and work!  Save the FRER for FMU tomorrow or the next day if AF does not show.  Even if your spotting was implantation spotting and you had the latest implantation possible- 12 DPO (perhaps your O day was off by a couple days)- 4 days really should be long enough to get a BFP.

 

If you continue to get BFN's and no AF-like bleeding, then I would consider a blood test- probably in about a week just to rule it out.  If it's negative, then you know that you did not ovulate when you thought you did and it could still be on it's way- the spotting could be some minor breakthrough bleeding due to hormonal fluctuations in a longer cycle.  Or you're dealing with something like a corpus luteum cyst (which are benign and usually resolve on their own in a few weeks).  Or you experienced a very bizarre AF and you're already into your next cycle.  Or the spotting was actually O spotting and now you're about 2-3 DPO and counting.  This is why charting is so, so, so helpful!  Much less mystery involved!

 

Please post if you'd like help getting going with charting and keep us posted!

 

 

post #8 of 16
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Hello Jaimee,

 

I can't thank you enough for your very detailed and helpful post!! Seriously, thank you!! You gave me a lot to think about and consider. For future that is, as I'm pretty sure now that I am not pregnant. Still not sure what the spotting was all about, and whether or not it was indeed AF, plus I have some new symptoms that are concerning me such as tingling/numb sensation down front left side of pelvis to top of thigh. I am making a dr appointment for this, and I am trying to chart for November. If anyone has any ideas for reminding oneself to temp upon awakening in the morning, i'm all ears! we co sleep with DD and so i'm usually pretty out of it when she gets me up in the morning, and distracted! I'm 4 days into my cycle and so far have only gotten 1 temp. I'm terrible!! I am learning on FF, though and hope to get my act together.

post #9 of 16

You're welcome Mittens!  Happy to help.  You mentioned that you're learning to chart on FF.... I typed up a detailed how to chart post a while back for another member and I'll paste it here as well in case it has additional information to help you get going.  Also, you mentioned you're having trouble remembering to temp.  I think the easiest thing to do is to put the thermometer under your pillow or on your night stand (sometimes my toddler will swipe it if it's on the nightstand, hence the under the pillow suggestion) so that it's easily accessible without getting up.  You can put a brightly colored post it note on a lamp, the wall, whatever to trigger your memory when you open your eyes.  Then just quickly temp and either go back to sleep, nurse, whatever.  Your thermometer should have a memory in it so there is no need to record the temp right away.  Just do it later in the day when you think of it.  I used to have a paper chart on top of my dresser that I would mark my temp on when I finally got out of bed then I would transfer my temps into FF whenever I had the chance.  I found it easier to mark CF this way as well b/c you notice it at random times and don't necessarily have the ability to sit down at your computer to log the data right away.

 

I'm not sure about your numb/tingling pain, but it sounds like a pinched nerve.  It could be some form of sciatica as that is the right area for it.

 

You mentioned you're four days into your cycle?  So did AF show then?

 

Okay, here's the post:

 

Start as soon as you can since the first day of red blood is cycle day 1.  Pick up a copy of Taking Charge of Your Fertility by Toni Weschler at the library (or buy it).  You don't need to read it cover to cover to get started, but it really is an excellent resource.

 

You can pick up a basal body thermometer (BBT) at your local drug store.  Some are better than others.  I prefer ones that take longer than 30 seconds (they seem more accurate to me) and can hold two temperatures in memory (this is especially handy when you wake up, temp, and go back to sleep- you can look at and record the temp later).  The Walgreens thermometer gets generally bad reviews.  BD gets good reviews. 

 

When temping you want to focus on a few things: taking it at the same time each morning (within 30 minutes); taking it after a solid block of sleep (3 hours is usually recommended); and making sure that you don't get out of bed, sit up, drink water, or fall asleep before or while temping.  So basically you just wake up, roll over, temp, and go back to sleep or get up. 

 

Some women are really sensitive to changes in sleep patterns or ambient temperature (like if your room is hot one morning and not the next or you wake up snuggled under a warm blanket and the next are out of the covers).  But other women find that they can see their pattern despite numerous night wakings, not getting a 3 hour block of sleep prior to temping, or environmental changes.  Other things that can affect temp- pretty much the same things that can delay ovulation: travel, stress, diet changes, injury, illness, and strenuous exercise.

 

Next, cervical fluid (CF) is something you can observe throughout the day- whenever you feel it, whenever you see it (while wiping, on your panties), etc.  Here is my general guide to CF:

 

Dry: you'll feel dry all day and there is nothing on your panties

Sticky: you'll generally feel dry and there will be a bit of staining- usually yellow- on your panties.  It might be a bit crumbly or clumpy.

Creamy: generally you'll feel a little wet, lotiony in texture, could be slippery when you wipe, often it will stand up on your panties

Wet: you'll feel wet and your panties will likely be wet- maybe even soak through, may look like skim milk (I rarely get this)

Eggwhite: you might actually feel it slipping out of you throughout the day and it might fall out of you while using the bathroom, stretchy- it may stretch from you to the TP for several inches- and usually clear or yellow tinted, often quite profuse

 

Temp and CF are the two basic fertility signs you need to chart.  There are other signs you can record like cervical position (CP), but it's not necessary unless your temps and CF are not showing a clear pattern.

 

So what you're going to see is a group of low temps from the start of AF, which is cycle day 1 (CD 1) until the day after ovulation (O) when you should see a spike in temp or steady climb to a higher group of temps.  The days between O and AF are called your luteal phase (LP).  Generally it is said that you need at least 10 days to sustain a pregnancy.  The average length is 12-14 days.  Your LP will not vary much- usually just by one or two days cycle to cycle.  But your O day could vary considerably.  So when you see O on your chart you can then predict when AF should show based on your average LP length.  If you go 3 days past your longest LP length then that is an excellent sign of pregnancy.  If you get 18 high temps after O that is 99% accurate- just like an HPT.

 

Likewise your CF will go from dry just after AF to sticky, to creamy, to EW as O approaches.  You may or may not go through all the different types of CF prior to O or you could skip from dry to creamy or dry to EW.  You might have many days of creamy and one or two of EW or you might have 3 or 4 days of EW with hardly any creamy.  It all depends on the woman and that particular cycle.  But after O you will dry up.  It could be instantaneous- like the day of the spike you're dry.  Or it could decrease slower- EW to creamy to stick to dry.  But usually you will dry up within a few days and then may or may not experience a few more days of creamy or even wet/EW later in your LP, just prior to AF.

 

Anyway, that should get you started!  Post if you have questions and use www.fertilityfriend.com to share your chart!  Good luck!

 

post #10 of 16


Just in case anyone needs to know, the dollar store in my town has pregnancy tests. And yes, from what I've heard, they are accurate!

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Originally Posted by Mittens View Post

Thanks so much for responding Belia, I really appreciate it!!

 

I have never charted before, i guess because I've always had a regular 28 day cycle, ovulating around cd14. However, i signed up with FF a few days ago and plan to chart this cycle, if this is a cycle. I keep forgetting to take my temperature before getting out of bed in the morning, though. But here is my October cycle if anyone can decipher what is going on just from that:

 

CD 1 - Oct 2

BD - Oct 12

O - Oct 16

4 DPO - 7 DPO approx - pulling feelings in pelvic, top of legs region - probably too early, but reminded me of round ligament pain, slight cramping, like construction work going on down there.

 

10 DPO (Oct 26) - possible implantation cramps

11 DPO (Oct 27) - the same for half the day

12 DPO (Oct 28)- BFN, no cramps, blue veins all over just like with my first pregnancy with DD.

13 DPO (Oct 29)- BFN, then late that night light spotting only when wiping, heavy pelvic feeling but no cramps

14 DPO (Oct 30)- spotting ends early in the day, no cramps

15 DPO (Today Oct 31) - pulling feelings in pelvic, top of legs region, no cramps, pink when wiping only. Wonder if i'm now getting my real period because feeling a bit heavy in the pelvic area again, but that has since stopped, too. Dull headache. The veins are still bright blue all over and i can't imagine what they could be from other than pregnancy.

 

Wondering when i should take another test. Those suckers are expensive so i don't want to be testing everyday, but i also want to know as early as possible so that if i am pregnant, i can get on progesterone. I read that HCG won't show up in urine until 4-5 days after you see implantation bleeding stop, which would be Thursday for me if i go by it stopping yesterday. Not sure what to make of wiping today and there being pink. Is this still possible implantation bleeding. No sign of anything heavier than that.......



 

post #11 of 16
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Wow Jaimee! Thanks again for the super detailed and helpful post!!

 

I'm not really sure if AF showed yet, I just assumed that since i'm not pregnant that this weird spotting must be AF. Yes, the spotting started again after stopping and is STILL happening except it has never required a pad since starting up again. It has only been there when i wipe and it seems to be finishing off now. I wonder, if DD is nursing more, could that be why AF would behave so oddly? Could that be an indication that maybe i'm not very fertile right now? I am very excited about learning to chart and to use the fertility monitors. I had assumed that because my usual 28 day cycle returned that I was fertile, but maybe i am not. I wouldn't be excited to find that out, though. But better to know, i suppose!

 

I have read good things on this forum about the clear blue digital fertility monitor and think i will pick one up. Is it the same thing as an opk? I have a lot of reading/research to do, as you can see.

 

Thanks for the post it note idea. I have the perfect spot for it and think it will help me remember to temp!!

 

BabyMae09, thanks about the tests. I live in Canada and never imagined that they would be sold at the dollar store, but i'll definitely look into it.

 

By the way, Jaimee, I still have this sneaking suspicion that i'm pregnant and it's one of those late to show up on a pregnancy test scenerio's. Hopefully our dollar store has some so that i can test freely.

 

Thanks again!!

post #12 of 16

Yes, most dollar stores have pregnancy tests and yes they are considered reliable. Usually they are pink dye strips that you dip in a cup of urine.  So test away, but be careful of evap lines and squinters!  I don't want this to come out as a huge bummer, but if you are as many DPO as you think and you're spotting, even if you do end up getting a BFP shortly, those are not good signs toward viability.  You could go in for a quick hCG quant test and just figure out for certain what's happening.   I know you're in Canada, so I'm not sure what the situation is like, but usually it shouldn't be a problem to request a blood test with what you're suspecting.

 

I agree that it is much better to know what is going on with your fertility than to be wondering all the time!  For example, at this point, if you'd been charting you would have a very good idea of how many DPO you truly are (assuming you did indeed ovulate) and your temps could help you decipher if the bleeding is spotting with pregnancy, AF, or breakthrough bleeding.  The latter would make the most sense if you're just continuing to spot for an extended period of time.  The CBE monitors do have good reviews, but they are expensive and you have to keep buying the strips.  They are similar to OPK's in that they test for your LH surge as your body gears up to O and similarly, they cannot confirm O.  But I hear they are much more reliable than OPK's.  I don't have any personal experience with them.

 

 

post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 

Thanks again, Jaimee! I find it so interesting that charting can decipher the bleeding for me. I get to be a scientist. I like that.

post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 

Thanks again, Jaimee! I find it so interesting that charting can decipher the bleeding for me. I get to be a scientist. I like that.

post #15 of 16
Thread Starter 

Thanks again, Jaimee! I find it so interesting that charting can decipher the bleeding for me. I get to be a scientist. I like that.

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I get to be a scientist. I like that.

Me, too!  winky.gif
 

 

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