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Okay I think I probably would have asked my MIL to apologize and/or leave if she did that.  How awful!  What was she thinking?!  My mom sometimes takes my baby from me (well, when he was younger) and she does it to my siblings too.  She gives this look and says "Here, let me take care of it" as if she knows better.  It's infuriating.  I'm not letting it happen this time.  How unbelievably rude.

 

So my MW appointment today was... interesting.  A few key points:

 

1. I scheduled a BPP/NST for my 40th week if I have not had the baby yet.  Maternal-fetal medicine is recommending I start these weekly now (well last week, really) because of my gestational diabetes but I declined until week 40.  I know that he is doing well.  He's very active, growing, and does not at all seem large.

 

2. She talked to me about SPD because I was hobbling around today.  She mentioned that some mothers find the pain during labor to be excruciating.  She said she describes it as the difference between pain (which is expected during labor) and suffering.  She said "it's reason enough to get an epidural".  Obviously, an epidural isn't an option (birth center), and none of her mamas have ever transferred to the hospital for an epidural because of SPD pain, but she was just saying that it can be that bad.  Um, help?!  Should I do some research?  Are there positions that are better/worse to labor in?  I am not that concerned about it, but it does worry me a little bit. 

 

3.  I lost 3 lbs. Ha.  Probably just from all the vomiting last night.  yeesh.

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Hmm... our Lunapad contest thread was just removed b/c we're not allowed to host "sweepstakes" of any kind on the social groups.  Only official contests are allowed and there are a bunch of rules that go along with those.  Ooops.

 

Well, I'm not sure how to pick a winner then?  Assuming that she's still allowed to donate to our group... And I want those articles reposted!  I was just responding to one of them when the thread was taken down!



Can we start a "helpful article" thread? I'll repost mine!

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I just wanted to have you guys have a moment of silence for a fellow November mama, Tourneymom, whose daughter was stillborn. She posted in the October board, but she was due to have her daughter tomorrow. mecry.gif


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I'm going to start charging people a dollar every time they ask if the baby has come yet.  Sheesh.  Seriously, people I WILL TELL YOU!  This is what I get for 5 weeks of unending pre-labor.  I'd better not get my period back for AGES to make up for these weeks and weeks of cramps.



Oh boy do I know this one! When I pick my kids up from school I count every day how many people say this to me before I actually get to the door.  There is one lady who asks EVERY day and goes ON AND ON AND ON about how she cant believe I haven't had my baby. 

 

And people who ask it in question form?  "You haven't had that baby yet?!"  I want to punch them.  Do I LOOK like I had this &@(*$($ baby yet?! 

 

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Anyways.

 

 

My baby did not show growth for the 4th week in a row greensad.gif

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My baby did not show growth for the 4th week in a row greensad.gif


What does this mean for you and your baby, Ash?

 

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I'm miles behind, but I put up the birth story and some pics here.

 

Over there I forgot to mention that he is so big he doesn't fir his newborn diaper covers and my last 2 kids were so small I didn't bother to make many larger covers.  Got a project for today.  

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She talked to me about SPD because I was hobbling around today.  She mentioned that some mothers find the pain during labor to be excruciating.  She said she describes it as the difference between pain (which is expected during labor) and suffering.  She said "it's reason enough to get an epidural".  Obviously, an epidural isn't an option (birth center), and none of her mamas have ever transferred to the hospital for an epidural because of SPD pain, but she was just saying that it can be that bad.  Um, help?!  Should I do some research?  Are there positions that are better/worse to labor in?  I am not that concerned about it, but it does worry me a little bit. 

 

J - I've read that birthing on a ball, on "all fours", and side-lying are the best positions for people with SPD. The best position for you would really depend on how far apart you can comfortably spread your legs. My SPD was worst midway through pregnancy until I've had a lot of chiropractic work help, and the thought of squatting seemed nearly impossible at that time. But I've been practicing being able to squat comfortably and made myself aware of my limitations, so now it isn't such an intimidating position for me. I don't have severe SPD, though. I'm going to wing it when I'm in labor and just see what positions feel best.

 

My midwife specifically told me that birthing in a pool is going to be the best for me. I'm not sure what position people typically birth in while in a pool? I think she has a birthing stool that can go in water, so I might utilize that. That's part of why I was surprised when another person here said that a midwife wouldn't allow them to do a waterbirth with SPD - since my midwife said it was optimal. She said above all else, do not birth flat on your back with feet up in stirrups (not that you'd have that at a birth center, but you know what I mean). That position is most likely to cause pain and damage I guess?

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I'm not sure what position people typically birth in while in a pool?


What's interesting about this is that a lot of women end up birthing in a pool in a semi-reclined position (myself included), which is not ideal for pushing a baby out.  Somehow I just got myself into that position and then the mw told me I needed to hold my legs apart to widen my pelvis and this was really the only way I could do that.  So there I was stuck in that position and it was quite uncomfortable for both me and dh- very unnatural.  I know that other women birth on all fours, squatting or even standing in the water.  So while you might labor on your side, back, etc. you may end up spontaneously moving into one of these other positions when you feel the need to push.  I'll try and track down a thread I recall reading several months ago about this... I think it was a poll, too.

 

http://www.mothering.com/community/t/1309530/if-you-had-a-waterbirth-what-position-did-you-birth-in-and-related-birthing-position-questions-for-a-mom-with-with-bad-joints

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What does this mean for you and your baby, Ash?

 



I'm not sure.  I have been seeing various providers since my doctor went on vacation a few weeks ago.  When he left he said he did not think I would still be pregnant when he got back eyesroll.gif  but my next appt with him is next Thursday.  Basically yesterday it sounded like the doc I saw would have suggested induction if it had been 3 days later (37 weeks).  Knowing that, I think its probably what will be suggested next time I go in. 

 

I don't want it.  BUT, I also now my baby might need it.  So Im going to pump up my RRL tea intake, start vaginal EPO, and maybe do some visualization and yoga that is geared toward OFP and see if I cant at least get my body in a better spot...and my mind also.

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 I'm not sure what position people typically birth in while in a pool? 



My midwife (who specializes in water birth) says that most of her clients lean forward over the side of the pool to give birth. Their pools have nice, cushy, sturdy sides with handles and inflated floors (I just inflated mine last night- yay! It's the birth pool in a box). Most water birth videos I've seen have women reclining backward, but upright, often against a spouse or support person, though. But it might have to do with the type of pool used. I can imagine that leaning forward on your knees would get very uncomfortable without soft, thick, sturdy sides and a soft floor.

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Basically yesterday it sounded like the doc I saw would have suggested induction if it had been 3 days later (37 weeks).  Knowing that, I think its probably what will be suggested next time I go in. 

 

I don't want it.  BUT, I also now my baby might need it.  So Im going to pump up my RRL tea intake, start vaginal EPO, and maybe do some visualization and yoga that is geared toward OFP and see if I cant at least get my body in a better spot...and my mind also.

Ugh, I'm sorry!   That's a difficult situation, but it doesn't sound like they are overly worried b/c they are not choosing to induce you now.  Maybe you'll be allowed to go a bit longer.  Strange that your cervix is cooperating and now this instead!
 

 

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My midwife (who specializes in water birth) says that most of her clients lean forward over the side of the pool to give birth. Their pools have nice, cushy, sturdy sides with handles and inflated floors (I just inflated mine last night- yay! It's the birth pool in a box). Most water birth videos I've seen have women reclining backward, but upright, often against a spouse or support person, though. But it might have to do with the type of pool used. I can imagine that leaning forward on your knees would get very uncomfortable without soft, thick, sturdy sides and a soft floor.



It makes sense that being semi-reclined would be the least comfortable position, just as it would be if lying in a bed.  However, all the water births Ive ever seen were in this position.  I wonder what the bodies "natural" position for birth is?  Our culture makes us automatically think of giving birth laying on our backs- but before it was a cultural thing, I wonder,  was squatting or all fours the norm?

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In my childbirth ed class we watched videos of women in third world countries all giving birth by squatting. I honestly kind of want to try it because pushing looked so much more effortless and natural (although it looked like it took a bit of lower body strength). The women in the videos were barely even wincing, lol. All of us in the class were, though! lol.gif I should ask my midwife what the most common natural position is that she's seen... She did a long midwifery stint in Africa and birthed hundreds of babies there. I'm curious now! One thing I'll always remember is that she said they had better outcomes with those African women birthing naturally than she's seen with hospital interventions in the US. Just saying... eyesroll.gif

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J - I've read that birthing on a ball, on "all fours", and side-lying are the best positions for people with SPD. The best position for you would really depend on how far apart you can comfortably spread your legs. My SPD was worst midway through pregnancy until I've had a lot of chiropractic work help, and the thought of squatting seemed nearly impossible at that time. But I've been practicing being able to squat comfortably and made myself aware of my limitations, so now it isn't such an intimidating position for me. I don't have severe SPD, though. I'm going to wing it when I'm in labor and just see what positions feel best.

 

My midwife specifically told me that birthing in a pool is going to be the best for me. I'm not sure what position people typically birth in while in a pool? I think she has a birthing stool that can go in water, so I might utilize that. That's part of why I was surprised when another person here said that a midwife wouldn't allow them to do a waterbirth with SPD - since my midwife said it was optimal. She said above all else, do not birth flat on your back with feet up in stirrups (not that you'd have that at a birth center, but you know what I mean). That position is most likely to cause pain and damage I guess?

This is what I've read too- about not causing trauma by being on my back or spreading my legs too far.  I told DH that this morning so he can be aware of my body as well.  I do a lot of squatting during pregnancy but it's never struck me as something I'd do in labor anyway (though I know it's recommended- yet not for SPD) so I don't think I'll even try it.  I think especially as a second time mom I would push him out too fast if I were squatting and I don't want to tear.  

My MW also mentioned the tub, which is where I had planned to be.  So that's good!
 

 



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What's interesting about this is that a lot of women end up birthing in a pool in a semi-reclined position (myself included), which is not ideal for pushing a baby out.  Somehow I just got myself into that position and then the mw told me I needed to hold my legs apart to widen my pelvis and this was really the only way I could do that.  So there I was stuck in that position and it was quite uncomfortable for both me and dh- very unnatural.  I know that other women birth on all fours, squatting or even standing in the water.  So while you might labor on your side, back, etc. you may end up spontaneously moving into one of these other positions when you feel the need to push.  I'll try and track down a thread I recall reading several months ago about this... I think it was a poll, too.

 

http://www.mothering.com/community/t/1309530/if-you-had-a-waterbirth-what-position-did-you-birth-in-and-related-birthing-position-questions-for-a-mom-with-with-bad-joints


My MW says a lot of women that she deals with birth facing forward kind of leaning over the tub.  These are tubs though, not pools, so maybe they are more sturdy?  I don't know.  We just went over how DH will have to catch the baby from that position.  I don't *love* the idea of this position, it seems odd to me, but surely at the time it might be the most comfortable thing, and obviously the best for the SPD.  

 



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My midwife (who specializes in water birth) says that most of her clients lean forward over the side of the pool to give birth. Their pools have nice, cushy, sturdy sides with handles and inflated floors (I just inflated mine last night- yay! It's the birth pool in a box). Most water birth videos I've seen have women reclining backward, but upright, often against a spouse or support person, though. But it might have to do with the type of pool used. I can imagine that leaning forward on your knees would get very uncomfortable without soft, thick, sturdy sides

and a soft floor.

 

I'll have to ask how they keep the mamas knees and elbows comfy if she is leaning forward.... Towels?  Hmmm.  These are hard tub floors, so I'd imagine that will be uncomfortable.  
 

 

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Ugh, I'm sorry!   That's a difficult situation, but it doesn't sound like they are overly worried b/c they are not choosing to induce you now.  Maybe you'll be allowed to go a bit longer.  Strange that your cervix is cooperating and now this instead!
 

 


 

I'm thinking that if i consistantly saw one provider that it would be different.  I'm not complaining now, though.


 

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In my childbirth ed class we watched videos of women in third world countries all giving birth by squatting. I honestly kind of want to try it because pushing looked so much more effortless and natural (although it looked like it took a bit of lower body strength). The women in the videos were barely even wincing, lol. All of us in the class were, though! lol.gif I should ask my midwife what the most common natural position is that she's seen... She did a long midwifery stint in Africa and birthed hundreds of babies there. I'm curious now! One thing I'll always remember is that she said they had better outcomes with those African women birthing naturally than she's seen with hospital interventions in the US. Just saying... eyesroll.gif


No doubt!  No cascade of interventions. 

 

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It makes sense that being semi-reclined would be the least comfortable position, just as it would be if lying in a bed.  However, all the water births Ive ever seen were in this position.  I wonder what the bodies "natural" position for birth is?  Our culture makes us automatically think of giving birth laying on our backs- but before it was a cultural thing, I wonder,  was squatting or all fours the norm?



I've instinctually wanted to give birth leaning forward both times. With DS I was on all fours on my bed. With surrobabe I was leaning forward and grabbing onto the tub when my body started pushing. When they dragged me out of the tub (no water birth at that hospital) I climbed onto the hospital bed kind of squatting on my toes and knees and leaning forward while I was pushing, hugging my pillow with my forehead against the raised head of the bed. But the nurse made me turn over onto my back irked.gif. I'm thinking this time I'll probably be hanging onto the side of the tub, either squatting or on my knees, or hanging onto DH squatting in the tub. It's nice and deep! But I guess we'll see. At least I'll be able to take whatever position my body tells me to, though!

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speaking of water birth- beautiful water birth photos blog post on Offbeat Mama today.  http://offbeatmama.com/2011/11/water-birth-photos

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Oh wow, J - Those photos have me in tears! So beautiful. joy.gif

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speaking of water birth- beautiful water birth photos blog post on Offbeat Mama today.  http://offbeatmama.com/2011/11/water-birth-photos



OMG I'm crying now, too!  So amazing! Thank you for sharing, J.

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I labored in the pool leaning forward against the tub.  With my first I even napped with my head on the edge between contractions.  I birthed in a squat with DH supporting my weight from behind.  With DD2 I was leaning forward against the tub, and they were trying to do a routine heart tone check but couldn't find her heartbeat.  Well, they couldn't find her because she was almost out!  I was totally focused and not speaking and so when DH moved me into a semi reclining position against him so they could try again to find the heartbeat I didn't/couldn't say no, even though the movement caused her head to pop out. (I was very annoyed.) I'm not sure what position I would have moved to if I hadn't been moved, probably a squat like the first time.  I think semi reclined in a birth pool feels TOTALLY different then semi-reclined on a bed.  

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