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post #121 of 136

It was only 5 weeks old though, so that seems awfully fast for the battery being dead. I'm going to just send it back to the company - I don't want to bother buying a new battery and who knows if something else is wrong with it for it to die less than 2 months after I got it :(  They have a lifetime guarantee so I guess they'll send me a new one.
 

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It could be just the battery went dead. Using the thermometer everyday can really run it down. I would try and change that first and see if it helps. Hope fully it does.



 

post #122 of 136

Infojunkie~ True. Hopefully they will send you out a new one at no cost to you. :)

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mt_gooseberry - I am breastfeeding both my 3 and 20 month olds. At the introductory meeting she said a month, but we aren't meeting for another 3 weeks so I hope she doesn't make us wait another 2 weeks after that too crap.gif. So ironic (and cruel), right after we had the introductory meeting I actually had 4 dry days in a row (I had had some kind of white baby mucous almost every day for the month before that). I'm just hoping that means that my body is going to stop trying so hard to ovulate with two little ones nursing around the clock!

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mt_gooseberry - I am breastfeeding both my 3 and 20 month olds. At the introductory meeting she said a month, but we aren't meeting for another 3 weeks so I hope she doesn't make us wait another 2 weeks after that too crap.gif. So ironic (and cruel), right after we had the introductory meeting I actually had 4 dry days in a row (I had had some kind of white baby mucous almost every day for the month before that). I'm just hoping that means that my body is going to stop trying so hard to ovulate with two little ones nursing around the clock!



Yes, I just looked in the textbook and it says "if you do not come into the program until after the eighth week postpartum, then, genital contact must be avoided for two weeks (if completely dry during this time) or four weeks (if mucus is apparent)."  Since you had mucus, that's where the 1 mo wait comes from.  That being said, I also had mucus...but she let me go the two weeks and after that told me I could use my solid green sticker days.  The abstinence is extremely hard for us, but I can tell you that we DID dtd during our two-week-wait and it made things A LOT harder to learn.  I now recommend from experience that the rules are followed to the letter right now!

 

post #125 of 136

okay- today had eggwhite fluid in am- stretched about 1 inch.  temp 97.4, cervix high and soft and open, and this afternoon have blood in my fluids, faint pink/brown, but definitely not my usual.  ???  We just moved, I need to find my tcoyf book asap.

 

meanwhile, does this pattern make sense to those with more experience?  I've had way more time pregnant than charting.

 

Also, if one's bleeding goes for 7 days, then there are no safe days before ovulation, right?  b/c cd 5 happens during bleeding and you can't know if you have ovulated.  double checking to see if i remember the rules correctly.

 

thanks-

post #126 of 136

Cassiani, if you change the time that you're taking your temperature, it's not uncommon to have your base temperature change somewhat.  Your CM and cervix can do some pretty inconsistent things as you are getting ready to ovulate.  If you have CM, you consider yourself to be potentially fertile.  Some people can get a lot of information from their cervix.  Other people, it's not as useful.  In general, it will be higher and more open just before ovulation and will close afterward, but I haven't heard of any rules for using the cervix to pinpoint the start of the fertile period.  I have seen textbook charts where the cervix closes after menstruation and then slowly rises and opens to ovulation and then closes and stays low and firm until the next period only in textbooks.  I've never seen a cervix pattern that looks just like that on a real person.  It's often more complicated.  When in doubt, pay more attention to your CM before ovulation.  The EWCM with a little bit of blood is a somewhat uncommon but well known phenomenon that is caused by your uterine lining building up so much (more common in long cycles) that you can't maintain it with just estrogen (dominant in the pre-ovulation phase) and not progesterone (dominant in the post-ovulation phase).  Little bits or even a lot of the uterine lining can be sluffed off just prior to ovulation, usually to the accompaniment of fertile-type CM.  This is common enough that in the CM only methods (when temperature record has not confirmed that you ovulated previously), all bleeding is regarded as potentially fertile.  Basically, don't worry too much about it, but assume that you are ovulating very soon.  Also, for your period, if bleeding goes beyond 7 days, you can certainly consider yourself to be infertile for the first 5 (or 6, depending on your set of rules and previous cycle history) days of bleeding if you had a previous temp rise in your last cycle (I realize that some couples abstain during the woman's period).  If the bleeding is light enough to check CM in the last days, do so, and you can choose to consider yourself to be infertile if you wish, though this is more risky, since the bleeding can cover small amount of CM.  When the bleeding stops, you can use the "last dry day" rule if you wish.  However, if you have a typical cycle with ovulation on CD 14, if you bleed until CD 7, it is possible that you could conceive based on DTD on CD 8 if you have CM, so it is quite possible not to have any post-period infertility.

 

Infojunkie, it does sound like that thermometer was a dud, but I wouldn't throw out all your temps.  When you are anovulatory, your temps don't tell you much anyway.  The only temps that are important to keep accurate (for the purpose of determining fertility) are the 6 temps before a temperature rise and the 3(ish) temps after.  We just take our temps all the other times to give us a better idea of what's going on.  So, you have either ovulated already (not likely by your CM record), in which case, your period will start in the next couple weeks, or you have not, and as long as you don't ovulate within 6 days of starting to temp again, there's really no problem.  If you do ovulate within 6 days of starting to chart again, you won't be able to declare yourself infertile by a sympto-thermal rule (though you could potentially do so by a CM only rule) this cycle.  If you don't ovulate within 6 days of starting to temp again, you really haven't lost anything because temps before that don't mean anything (except to assure you that you have not indeed ovulated yet, something that is priceless for the amount of stress it saves you thinking that you might be pregnant in the postpartum period).  Just be careful when you start with the new thermometer about your charting software (or your own eyes) drawing conclusions about you ovulating between changing thermometers.  If the other one wasn't working, you might get higher or lower temps from the new one, and if it's higher, you won't know right away if you ovulated during the down time or if you're just getting better temps now.

 

Butterflymomma, it does look like there was an error in yesterday's chart.  However, same as I told infojunkie, it doesn't really matter much if it's not part of your pre-shift 6.

post #127 of 136

Being a believer in murphey's law, I'm certain I will ovulate during the time when I have no thermometer and will not be able to confirm it :)  I ordered another one and sent the old one back (so will have two when it's all said and done, one for a spare). But in the meantime I'm just not going to temp. So it will likely be a week or more of no temping, and after all this waiting I'm sure I'll ovulate during that time frame and never get to see my pretty thermal shift!  ;) 

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Infojunkie, it does sound like that thermometer was a dud, but I wouldn't throw out all your temps.  When you are anovulatory, your temps don't tell you much anyway.  The only temps that are important to keep accurate (for the purpose of determining fertility) are the 6 temps before a temperature rise and the 3(ish) temps after.  We just take our temps all the other times to give us a better idea of what's going on.  So, you have either ovulated already (not likely by your CM record), in which case, your period will start in the next couple weeks, or you have not, and as long as you don't ovulate within 6 days of starting to temp again, there's really no problem.  If you do ovulate within 6 days of starting to chart again, you won't be able to declare yourself infertile by a sympto-thermal rule (though you could potentially do so by a CM only rule) this cycle.  If you don't ovulate within 6 days of starting to temp again, you really haven't lost anything because temps before that don't mean anything (except to assure you that you have not indeed ovulated yet, something that is priceless for the amount of stress it saves you thinking that you might be pregnant in the postpartum period).  Just be careful when you start with the new thermometer about your charting software (or your own eyes) drawing conclusions about you ovulating between changing thermometers.  If the other one wasn't working, you might get higher or lower temps from the new one, and if it's higher, you won't know right away if you ovulated during the down time or if you're just getting better temps now.



 

post #128 of 136

Just need to share.... 

 

my partner and I are FINALLY living together after a year of being long distance. He comes in three days. That night it's my estimated night of ovulation and we are CTA... FML 

 

ha ha ha. Oh universe... you like to pull fun pranks on us don't you. 

 

Also just wanted to say a huge thank you to everyone here. I joined almost three months ago and in that time have gotten off all unnatural forms of birth control and have learned A LOT about my body and how to be in charge of my own fertility. You guys rock! Wish me luck and will power that I won't be posting an "oops" post in a few days :P he he ha ha! 

post #129 of 136

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The EWCM with a little bit of blood is a somewhat uncommon but well known phenomenon that is caused by your uterine lining building up so much (more common in long cycles) that you can't maintain it with just estrogen (dominant in the pre-ovulation phase) and not progesterone (dominant in the post-ovulation phase).  Little bits or even a lot of the uterine lining can be sluffed off just prior to ovulation, usually to the accompaniment of fertile-type CM.  This is common enough that in the CM only methods (when temperature record has not confirmed that you ovulated previously), all bleeding is regarded as potentially fertile.  Basically, don't worry too much about it, but assume that you are ovulating very soon.  Also, for your period, if bleeding goes beyond 7 days, you can certainly consider yourself to be infertile for the first 5 (or 6, depending on your set of rules and previous cycle history) days of bleeding if you had a previous temp rise in your last cycle (I realize that some couples abstain during the woman's period).  If the bleeding is light enough to check CM in the last days, do so, and you can choose to consider yourself to be infertile if you wish, though this is more risky, since the bleeding can cover small amount of CM.  When the bleeding stops, you can use the "last dry day" rule if you wish.  However, if you have a typical cycle with ovulation on CD 14, if you bleed until CD 7, it is possible that you could conceive based on DTD on CD 8 if you have CM, so it is quite possible not to have any post-period infertility.

JMJ-

 

Thanks- we do abstain during periods.  Since this was my first period since childbirth, it was intense, and I wasn't risking anything.  

 

I tended to have very very long cycles prior to my last birth.  I believe 47 days was the average.  I've never ovulated before day 22 on my charts, and last pregnancy was conceived on day 35.  But I keep hoping if I get my body on track, I'll have a nice 28 day cycle....  I always worry about now that I've managed to get pregnant somehow, but my temp is still at 97.4 today, so that's at least a little consoling.  

 

We're acting like I'm about to ovulate, which I hope happens sooner rather than later.  I am on day 21 of my cycle right now, with no temp spikes, so guessing these are ovulation signs, especially since I just got a 2 inch stretch on my CF.  

 

Thanks again-

Cassi

post #130 of 136

Just realized it has been a while since I checked in,  I just updated my chart.  All has been going well.  I have ovulated a bit later the last couple of cycles although only by a couple of days. 

 

Sorry to hear about your loss butterflymomma.  I miscarried in my 12th week with my first pregnancy and it was a lot more difficult emotionally than I ever expected.  My thoughts are with you.

 

 

post #131 of 136

mt_gooseberry - thanks for the tip. Abstinence is also very hard on our relationship but I'm having a hard enough time remembering all the little parts of the observational routine - I definitely don't need any further confusion!

post #132 of 136

Grrr...finally remembered to temp, and my stupid therm is whacked out :(

post #133 of 136

Thanks Jodi. I am hoping I start feeling better emotionally soon. I think I will. I made a decision over the weekend that no matter how crappy I feel, I will get dressed, go for a walk with the family in the morning, spend time with the kids and get my housework done. I am hoping forcing myself to get back to normal will help with that.

 

 

 

So, no sign of O yet. My CM is weird sometimes watery, sometimes sticky and for the past few days it has been streaked with blood. It has been kind of hard to track my CM because there really hasn't been too much lately.I am now on CD 25 since the miscarriage started. Anyone know how long it may take for my body to adjust back to normal? I took an hpt last Wednesday and it was negative, so I think the HCG should be out of my system by now.

post #134 of 136

I think it can vary from woman to woman.  When I miscarried, I was 11.5 weeks along and my next cycle started like clockwork a normal 30 days after my miscarriage.  I know that is common to not work this way though.  It just can take time for our bodies to return to normal. 

post #135 of 136

Butterflymomma, I agree with jodi that it can vary.  A lot of women start their cycles again right away, but some take longer.

post #136 of 136
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I'll have the new thread for December up by the end of the day. Thanks for your patience!

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