|how- can people try and justify this as a religious belief if they are not even doing it how it was originally commanded to be done?
I'm a messianic. A Jew by birthright and bloodline who has accepted Yshua as Messiah. My son was circumcized by a mohel in a brit milah and I don't
|"try and justify this as a religious belief".
It is not a religious belief. It is Jewish LAW.
As a Jew I was commanded by G-d to circumcize my son and this is what I did.
|Genesis 17:9-14, "And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall cirumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant." (KJV)
That is why Jews circumcize. As for how the circumcision is done - generally the procedure and the ceremony are led by a mohel. Ours was a mohel who also was a trained urologist. If there is anything written in Torah/Tanach about how much foreskin is to be removed, I'm guessing a pious well learned in Torah, Mohel, would be aware of that.
So tho I understand your zest to stop all people from circumcising their sons, i think to say that jews are 'trying to justify this as a religious belief when its not being done the way it was commanded"...is extremely disrespectful. The brit milah is not a routine hospital circumcision. It is done differently using different instruments, different atmosphere, different anasthesia and G-ds presence.
For those interested (i of course wont' return to this thread most likely) you can read more about brit milah and the no clamp methods here.http://www.circumcision.net/clamp.htm
The bottom line is that some Jews will choose not to circumcize and if they're comfortable with that - right on. Thats between them and G-d and I don't presume to get between a person and their relationship with their Maker.
Just as many Jews don't keep kosher, or keep the sabbath or pray at all. Just as many Jews are completely secular and are happy to be non-religious people. Just as many Jews want to NOT be different.
But for the Jews who do choose to follow the commandment and abide by the Law - it is a matter of jewish LAW. not tradition. For those of us who do read all the information about circumcision and pray and debate and cry and choose to do what G-d has commanded it is a very big deal.
I hope this clears up this whole "trying to justify the brit milah as a religious belief" statement.
I understand that many are opposed by ALL circumcision for any reason. I personally dont' see any justification for circumcision if one is not a Jew.
thanks for letting me type