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When you had thrush, did you have to change your diet?

post #1 of 12
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I am 99% sure I have thrush now.  Oh joy.  Both nips are bright pink and burn.  The left nipple is much more sore and it has the crack, though it has been healing.  There are different opinions on what treatment you should do and I wanted to see what worked for you.

 

The lactation consultant I saw recommended gentian violet twice a day for two days swabbed in the baby's mouth and then nurse.  I don't want to do it that often to avoid the chemicals in Elliott's mouth.  Jack Newman recommends it once a day rubbed on the nipples and then have baby nurse.  I am going to do once per day swabbed on my nipples and then let Elliott feed after.  I am also doing a Grapefruit Seed Extract rinse and taking it orally in pills and taking lots of probiotics.  I have the All Purpose Nipple Ointment too.

 

The LC said I didn't need to change my diet.  The naturepath I saw said to avoid breads and things with vinegar.  Other things online say no sugars or dairy.  Others say no sugars or refined flours.  Others say no sugars, no fruits, no grains.  What's a girl to do?  :)

 

Thanks ladies.

post #2 of 12

The probiotics is what I've had success with in the past. I've heard that GSE is good, too.

 

I didn't really alter my diet, though. But the thrush was minor, so I didn't need to.

post #3 of 12

I hope you don't take offense by this, but when I read this thread I was so happy for you! At least, if you know you have thrush, you can just focus on kicking it's butt and hopefully no more pain, right? A known enemy is better than an unknown one.

 

But realistically, thrust sucks! I had it and was totally overwhelmed with all the instructions that I read (from Jack Newman, my ND, and Kellymom).  Here's what worked for me:

-first, it helped me to get it in perspective when my ND said that we all have yeasties living on us all the time. It's not about getting rid of them 100%, just about getting back balance. For me, that just helped me feel less overwhelmed.

-I started taking Udo's Choice probiotics 3x per day and also giving the infant powder to DS. I would get my finger wet, dip it in the powder, and wipe it on his tongue. He actually seemed to like it.

-I did the gentian violet thing too. The stuff I got was 2% and Jack Newman says to use .5%, so I got another empty bottle and diluted it. Each morning and night I would swab some on my nipples and areola (it looks CRAZY!) and let it dry. Then I'd use a disposable breast pad and only wore shirts I didn't care about, because it stains everything it touches. I found that if I nursed DS right away it was just a purple nightmare all over his face, my clothes, his clothes, etc. I was much more successful just dipping a q-tip in the GV and rubbing it on his gums/tongue. Way less mess. I think you are only supposed to do this for 5-7 days.

-I also used a vinegar solution on my nipples multiple times a day. I think it was Becky who suggested having a spray bottle in the bathroom and spraying it on the nips to wipe off... it was genius!

-I wanted to get Jack Newman's APNO, but none of my care providers would get me a prescription for it, so I just used a nipple cream that had antifungal properties (it's a local brand).

-DS didnt' have any on his bum, so we didnt' have to worry about that.

 

So, I guess I didnt' really answer your question. I didn't change my diet too much because it was the first 2 weeks PP and I was just happy to get any food in my mouth, let alone have a special diet. But I purposely declined super sweet stuff.

 

Good luck, I hope that you kick the thrush quickly and have healthy non-painful boobies!

post #4 of 12
really quick: This is the first baby I've had thrush with, and it keeps flaring up. i notice a BIG difference when I eat lots of sugar. read: PROCESSED sugar. If it's something I make myself not a big deal. Just a thought....avoid anything processed. I usually get a flare up when we are on the road and have to eat out.
post #5 of 12

I used just the spray bottle with water/vinegar. It really made it SO much easier. And I'd put it on, pull my shirt down (which would wipe it off a bit) and nurse him. So then he got some, too. He didn't mind at all.

 

I also did some of the pills because I got yeast in my incision and that was very bad and reopened it. So I can't say vinegar was all I did - though it did clear up the nipples fine! I used it pretty much every time I nursed. He quit nursing and next time I could get to it, I vinegared.

 

I tried to pretend that I cut sugar out of my diet, but eh.

 

Really, if you've had vaginal yeast infections, do your diet changes the same as then. Meaning I never do, but some people do! Yeast thrive on sugar.

post #6 of 12
Thread Starter 

Tina - no offense taken :)  I totally agree.  It's nice to have a concrete thing to work on.  I can't say that it has anything to do with the mastitis problems I've had, but I'm getting more and more sure that this is thrush.

 

Jilly - thanks for the sugar tip...makes sense

 

Becky - I might have seen this before, but did you use white vinegar or apple cider?  Also, what ratio of vinegar to water?  I have a spray bottle ready to go.  When you say you had the pills, are you referring to Diflucan or some OTC stuff?

 

My nipples are getting almost neon pink.  I am so fair and my aerolas are also very light (very little difference btwn them and the rest of my breast) so the nipples look so funny...bright little pink nubs sticking out.  Also, both nips hurt and they are so sensitive that it hurts to wear a shirt or bra.  I've been topless all day.  I occasionally get a shooting pain which hurts badly, but it doesn't last long and it happens mostly at night for some reason.  When he latches it is VERY painful on the left, but when it eases a bit once he's on.  This pain is new and different and since it's on both sides and it's following an gigantic amount of antibiotics, it makes sense.

 

Thanks ladies.  I guess I'll try really hard to skip the sugar, but it sounds like I can have some fruit and not be too crazy.

post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by SoonToBe View Post

Tina - no offense taken :)  I totally agree.  It's nice to have a concrete thing to work on.  I can't say that it has anything to do with the mastitis problems I've had, but I'm getting more and more sure that this is thrush.

 

Jilly - thanks for the sugar tip...makes sense

 

Becky - I might have seen this before, but did you use white vinegar or apple cider?  Also, what ratio of vinegar to water?  I have a spray bottle ready to go.  When you say you had the pills, are you referring to Diflucan or some OTC stuff?

 

My nipples are getting almost neon pink.  I am so fair and my aerolas are also very light (very little difference btwn them and the rest of my breast) so the nipples look so funny...bright little pink nubs sticking out.  Also, both nips hurt and they are so sensitive that it hurts to wear a shirt or bra.  I've been topless all day.  I occasionally get a shooting pain which hurts badly, but it doesn't last long and it happens mostly at night for some reason.  When he latches it is VERY painful on the left, but when it eases a bit once he's on.  This pain is new and different and since it's on both sides and it's following an gigantic amount of antibiotics, it makes sense.

 

Thanks ladies.  I guess I'll try really hard to skip the sugar, but it sounds like I can have some fruit and not be too crazy.


Something like diflucan, but named differently! Took it twice.

 

I think it was 1:4. Apple Cider Vinegar. The bottle was a baby shower gift, supposed to be for either spraying on the baby or deodorizing the room. It had the recipe marked on the side of the bottle so I just used it. Minus the essential oils. I think 1:2 is good, too. I'd go stronger to start.

 

post #8 of 12

Oh yeah, you've got thrush.  hug2.gif

 

But you can beat it.  As for the sugar thing -- I think just avoid obvious sugar.  You're going to crave it like mad, so it'll be tough.  Fruit should be ok in moderation, but no cakes/cookies/candy; no baked goods; nothing sinful.  At least for a few days.  You should be ok by Thanksgiving with this one two punch of GV and GFSE (and vinegar if you do that too). 

 

Remember to boil anything that comes in contact with your boobs -- wash bras on HOT and if you use any paci or artificial nipple (or pump) boil them in b/w uses!  

post #9 of 12
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Originally Posted by Baby_Cakes View Post

Oh yeah, you've got thrush.  hug2.gif

 

But you can beat it.  As for the sugar thing -- I think just avoid obvious sugar.  You're going to crave it like mad, so it'll be tough.  Fruit should be ok in moderation, but no cakes/cookies/candy; no baked goods; nothing sinful.  At least for a few days.  You should be ok by Thanksgiving with this one two punch of GV and GFSE (and vinegar if you do that too). 

 

Remember to boil anything that comes in contact with your boobs -- wash bras on HOT and if you use any paci or artificial nipple (or pump) boil them in b/w uses!  


I've been going braless when I can.  What about my sheets?  I'll skip the obvious things like you said and I'll keep the fruit to a minimum.  I usually have a frozen fruit smoothie of 4 strawberries and a bit of juice to make it thin enough to sip (maybe 1/3 cup).  Maybe I should skip that cuz of the juice.  I can do anything for a short period of time. 

 

Thanks ladies.  Ouch...he's in my lap and just leaned against me...those nippies are sore!!!

 

post #10 of 12
oh yes! Anything even NEAR your breasts. I washed all my underwear (just to make sure I knocked out yeast from there), bras, sheets, shirts, etc. on hot hot (sanitary cycle in my machine) with soap, then did another cycle with vinegar for the soap AND vinegar for the rinse.
post #11 of 12

I've always just heard to avoid simple carbs -- processed sugar and the delicious white bread and rice are no nos.  But I would guess that you're probably a pretty good mom on the food front.  You always strike me as very together.  Just think healthy and low sugar!

 

When DD was on ABX, I would mix her baby probiotics with a little breastmilk in a shotglass.  The pro-bx dissolve in a very small amount.  And then I'd just suck it up with the infant medicine dropper.  She seemed to like that better than when I put it on my finger.  And I finally had a use for my shot-glasses again winky.gif

 

Yes to washing the sheets and everything that Jill said!  If you have it around, you can add 5-10 drops of tea tree oil to the wash, which can help to ward off yeasties as well.

 

And yes to air time!!  Yeast likes warm, dark, and moist.  Give those nips some air!!

 

So sorry Bree!!  You poor mommy.  I think we need to do some kind of exorcism for your boobies greensad.gif

post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 

Thanks ladies.  I think the treatment is working.  The burning in between feedings is almost gone and it hurts less when I do feed him.  He is still doing a lot of tugging and twisting and clamping when he eats lately so that doesn't help.  I think it's because he has a bellyache.  Hopefully I only need to do the gentian violet another day or so...it's sooo messy!

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