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[Baby_Cakes]

We don't have one for this week yet, right?  Here we go!  Thanksgiving week here in the US - what does everyone have planned?

Old chat thread here.

[Baby_Cakes]

Opinons needed!!  And/or links and facts.

Do you think at this age (3 months) they really need to nurse EVERY HOUR during the night?  Finn used to be such a great sleeper but I'm guessing this phase was always looming in our future.  It's here now.  He sleeps well from about 9-2, but then it's every hour.  My boobies are getting sore, and I'm getting NO sleep!!  Last night after the 3rd or 4th wake up I just gave up and gave him the paci (I had to hold it in though) and he slept another hour, then woke up screaming again.  

I wouldn't question it, but with his reflux when I feed him that often, he pukes so much more!  It's like overfeeding him or something.  WWYD?

Thanksgiving - going to my ILs.  Making a bunch of yummy foods.  I'm going to attempt soy again, and see if eating it makes things worse.  I figure it's been long enough, that if a huge hit of soy comes in, he'll react if he's going to, right?

[cat13]

Originally Posted by Baby_Cakes 

Opinons needed!!  And/or links and facts.

Do you think at this age (3 months) they really need to nurse EVERY HOUR during the night?  Finn used to be such a great sleeper but I'm guessing this phase was always looming in our future.  It's here now.  He sleeps well from about 9-2, but then it's every hour.  My boobies are getting sore, and I'm getting NO sleep!!  Last night after the 3rd or 4th wake up I just gave up and gave him the paci (I had to hold it in though) and he slept another hour, then woke up screaming again.  

I wouldn't question it, but with his reflux when I feed him that often, he pukes so much more!  It's like overfeeding him or something.  WWYD?

Thanksgiving - going to my ILs.  Making a bunch of yummy foods.  I'm going to attempt soy again, and see if eating it makes things worse.  I figure it's been long enough, that if a huge hit of soy comes in, he'll react if he's going to, right?

nak

we are dealing with this too, it sucks. oh how i wish river would take a paci

[nald1]

Originally Posted by Baby_Cakes 

Opinons needed!!  And/or links and facts.

Do you think at this age (3 months) they really need to nurse EVERY HOUR during the night?  Finn used to be such a great sleeper but I'm guessing this phase was always looming in our future.  It's here now.  He sleeps well from about 9-2, but then it's every hour.  My boobies are getting sore, and I'm getting NO sleep!!  Last night after the 3rd or 4th wake up I just gave up and gave him the paci (I had to hold it in though) and he slept another hour, then woke up screaming again.  

I wouldn't question it, but with his reflux when I feed him that often, he pukes so much more!  It's like overfeeding him or something.  WWYD?

Thanksgiving - going to my ILs.  Making a bunch of yummy foods.  I'm going to attempt soy again, and see if eating it makes things worse.  I figure it's been long enough, that if a huge hit of soy comes in, he'll react if he's going to, right?

this was my DD for a long time- I didnt feel comfortable letting her cry until she was a year old and I was beside my self with exhaustion.  Then we did the "sleep" method where we'd stay with her and console her but not pick her up - mostly my DH had to do it since I couldnt stand it.  She "learned" to sleep - and LOVES to sleep to this day- within a week, If I remember correctly!!!  Most of my motivation was also that she was exhausted all the time and NEVER napped and we all needed to be getting more rest.  I have no memory of when it's "ok" to start "sleep training" and also know many people arent ever ok with it.  Honestly, it still turns my stomach thinking of it but I knew she had to sleep somehow :(

[Baby_Cakes]

I know ppl do what is right for their familes, but I personally won't sleep train (and...MDC won't allow convos about CIO).  I night weaned DD at 14 months, I would do that again.  But right now, no, it's just too young to "do" anything about it, I know that.

It's just nuts to me that he'll fall asleep on one boob, and wake up an hour later wanting the other side!  Is that normal?  Are your babies doing this too?

And then he won't settle.  I'll give him that much milk and then he gets all wiggly, burps, pukes, and then it starts over again.  I finally at 5 am just put him in the swing and hoped for the best. 

[Chaika]

Hmm...I haven't had do deal with that yet but it sounds tough!  I have a book called The No-Cry Sleep Solution that seems good, I haven't had to use it much yet but it is supposed to be a gentle alternative to CIO.  Are you co-sleeping with him?

[Baby_Cakes]

Me? As much as I can.  Only this week was I able to side lie without him throwing up everything all over the place.  I was having to sit up completely to nurse him, and then either laying down with him in arms (which would usually make him puke everywhere) or putting him back in the swing.  

I have the no cry books -- but ladies, it's too soon to "sleep train" by any definition.  Am I really the only one having to nurse thru the night?

[cat13]

No I have two hands again so I can type more…

I’ve been having the same problem with River, although thankfully no puking. He goes to bed around 7 and sleeps like a rock until 9ish, then I nurse him and he sleeps till about 11 or midnight. Then it’s wake up every hour, kicking, squirming, grunting and eventually crying if I ignore him too much. When I latch him on, he frantically nurses for 45 seconds or so and then falls asleep… just in time for my letdown. 20 min to an hour later it begins again, and by the time it’s morning my boobs are giant from all the mini-feeds and I’ve gotten no sleep.

I thought maybe he was reverse cycling since I’ve gone back to work, but DH says he drinks 8-10oz (finally takes the bottle, yea!) while I’m gone, so I don’t think that’s it. It’s not a growth spurt (just had one last week), swaddling or putting him into his sidecarred crib doesn’t help (just makes him cry faster).

I think if he stayed up later than 7pm it might help, but I don’t know how to make him do that. Maybe he’s just early for the 4 month sleep regression? (

http://moxie.blogs.com/askmoxie/2006/02/qa_what_are_sle.html) Link not working

[Beckily]

Charlie just got out of that phase. It took about two weeks. Last night he really only nursed twice - he went to bed at midnight, up at four, up at eightish, awake for the day around 10. Back to "normal."

Having to actually sit up every feed? Ugh, Carrie. Sucked bad enough having to roll over t switch boobs every three or four feedings. (I just left him to sleep with the boob in his face and he'd eventually drain that one and then I'd move him to the other.)

[Baby_Cakes]

Ok, whew, so the back and forth business is normal.  Ohhh becky I want yours and charlie's normal schedule like so bad!!  Ha!  Thanks guys!

[Chaika]

I just suggested the book because it does have a section with tips for newborn-four months.  I don't really know if those tips are considered "training" or not.  Regardless, I hope it is a phase that passes soon.

[Peony]

People seriously get babies that don't do the back and forth at night?! No, I know they have to exist somewhere but all my kids have done it. We are up about every 1.5 hours until about 3:30am and then it is just downhill from there. It isn't every hour but every 15-20 minutes at least until I give up and just get up for the day around 5:30. 

Milk production actually peaks for the day around 4am, babies know that and many take advantage of the plentiful milk supply. VERY common to have the back and forth, that is one of my most common bfing questions that I get called about in this age group. My personal theory is that not only do you have that going on but that most babies have gone through longer periods during the night (and longer just depends on the baby, for my guy it is 1.5 hours since he seems to eat every 45 minutes during the day) and now they really need to tank up again so they nurse very frequently and then it kind of resets them for the day again. 

[SoonToBe]

Elliott has been doing the same thing, but I thought it was because he had a bellyache.  The belly seems to be improving (far less diaper changes today) and he slept better last night.  He had always slept from about 9pm until 2am and then would sleep again until 5 and then wake up for the day around 8.  It was rare that he deviated from that.  Since he's had the bellyache (today is day 11), he is obviously uncomfortable and will sleep for just 2 hrs and then wake, but he doesn't want to eat.  He just wants to change positions.  He actually never wakes up fully or cries at night even with the bellyache.  He just won't be still at all.  It's like sleeping with an octopus.  I get punched, kicked, scratched, head butted...you name it.  If I ignored him he would eventually start to fuss, but for the most part, he just wants to change positions or nurse for like 2 minutes before he passes out...just enough to soak us.  He will nurse for real about twice a night.  Lately he will flip all around and then I try to feed him and he won't even open his mouth.  Then I sit him up against my knees and he falls immediately into a still sleep.  I wait a few minutes and then lay him back down.  Even though it seems like other babies are doing the same thing in terms of number of waking periods, I really do think this is due to his belly because as soon as he sits up, he's good to go.  He isn't wanting to eat.  I can also hear the bubbles in his belly.  I hadn't changed his diaper in the night in I can't even remember how long.  He NEVER pooped at night.  He would have a soggy diaper by morning, but it never bothered his butt.  For the last week, I've had to change him 2-3 times a night.  He often doesn't even wake up for those because he's so tired.

Anyway, just thought I'd share my experience.  Even if it's for a different reason, I can empathize with the lack of sleep.  It's really hard.  I feel like I'm not as good a mom to him when I'm this tired.  Talking to him all day feels like too much effort.  The only good thing I can say is that my insomnia seems to be improving.  Even though he is waking up more, I am able to fall back to sleep in a more reasonable amount of time.  Two weeks ago he would be passed out for hours and I would be wide awake next to him for hours! 

Here's hoping our little ones start sleeping longer stretches soon.

[Chaika]

Originally Posted by Peony 

Milk production actually peaks for the day around 4am, babies know that and many take advantage of the plentiful milk supply.

Interesting!  I didn't know that.  Anton consistently wakes up at 4 or 4:30. 

[Baby_Cakes]

Guys, there are mamas joining the July 2012 DDC who are due in early August 2012!  That was US a year ago!!  

[PoetryLover]

Originally Posted by Baby_Cakes 

Opinons needed!!  And/or links and facts.

Do you think at this age (3 months) they really need to nurse EVERY HOUR during the night?  Finn used to be such a great sleeper but I'm guessing this phase was always looming in our future.  It's here now.  He sleeps well from about 9-2, but then it's every hour.  My boobies are getting sore, and I'm getting NO sleep!!  Last night after the 3rd or 4th wake up I just gave up and gave him the paci (I had to hold it in though) and he slept another hour, then woke up screaming again.  

I wouldn't question it, but with his reflux when I feed him that often, he pukes so much more!  It's like overfeeding him or something.  WWYD?

Thanksgiving - going to my ILs.  Making a bunch of yummy foods.  I'm going to attempt soy again, and see if eating it makes things worse.  I figure it's been long enough, that if a huge hit of soy comes in, he'll react if he's going to, right?

I seem to remember going through this with DS1 at 3 months and if my memory serves correctly, my sister told me there's a growth spurt around that time. It didn't last long for us, maybe a week or two, I think.  I don't know if this is what you ladies are experiencing. Also, Gabe still nurses several times a night, but he always has.

As for Thanksgiving, we're having a vegan Thanksgiving at home. We usually buy a tofurkey, but last year we made our own using Vegan Dad's recipe from his blog. It was good, but this year I plan to make this Festive Chickpea Tart, instead. We'll also make mashed potatoes, gravy, pumpkin pie and I'm still choosing some veggie sides. We just make a meal for our family, though, and we don't gather with extended family and friends that day. I might travel a couple hours north to visit a sister. My mom will be there with my 2 baby sisters and they haven't met my sweet baby Gabe yet. But it will either be Friday or Saturday, not Thursday.

[PoetryLover]

This link talks a little about growth spurts and nursing once an hour. I hope it's helpful to those who are experiencing it. :-)

[egmaranian]

NAK

Alexander went through a rough patch about a week ago where I had to be rocking him in the nursery with ocean sounds playing for him to settle down at all after about 2am.  It lasted only 2-3 nights, but it was HARD!  He seems to be back to normal now, which is asleep by 10ish, nurse 2-3 times until about 5am, sleep-nurse almost nonstop until about 7am, up for the day.  Then he always goes to sleep again about an hour after waking in the am and naps for 45min-1hr.  It's doable.  I've had major insomnia lately, though.  I started Lost on Netflix and I can't stop watching!!!  So addicting!

As for TG...we always host our family dinner, but my MIL does all the cooking.  So I'm busy getting the house cleaned and ready to host dinner for 12.

[nald1]

Originally Posted by Baby_Cakes 

I know ppl do what is right for their familes, but I personally won't sleep train (and...MDC won't allow convos about CIO).  I night weaned DD at 14 months, I would do that again.  But right now, no, it's just too young to "do" anything about it, I know that.

It's just nuts to me that he'll fall asleep on one boob, and wake up an hour later wanting the other side!  Is that normal?  Are your babies doing this too?

And then he won't settle.  I'll give him that much milk and then he gets all wiggly, burps, pukes, and then it starts over again.  I finally at 5 am just put him in the swing and hoped for the best. 

I by no means meant to imply any kind of CIO method - ESPECIALLy this age.  I was only thinking back to when DD would only sleep with nursing her down at a year old - and would wake and need to be nursed again. Our "sleep training" was consoling her without the boob - not sure if that's the same as night weaning.   I dont even leave LO to cry if I have to pee!!!!!  I just try to tank him up as much as possible at night and hope for the best - he sleeps next to me or in the co-sleeper and I feed him the moment he awakes- he doesnt even get  a chance to cry, LOL.  I hope I didnt offend anyone by my recollections of helping DD sleep :(.  I know we also used many ideas from the No Cry book- but again, I didnt feel ok doing ANYTHING until a year old.  I have NO great ideas for this age and try to get through the growth spurts without losing my mind - and hope for some good rests in between.  

[nald1]

Originally Posted by Chaika 

Interesting!  I didn't know that.  Anton consistently wakes up at 4 or 4:30. 

wow - my little guy as well- that's wild!!!!!