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Is bone broth all that it is hyped up to be? Lets talk about TF myths...

post #1 of 65
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I am not a newbie to TF's. I have done the soaked grains, sourdoughs, super fermented yogurt, all the ferments, buckets of bone broth, K2 like you wouldn't believe, etc...

Some where along the TF path, I have got it wrong. I want to talk about this with you all and have a real meaty discussion.



So about bone broth, I make it all the time. I try to use grass fed beef bones as DH gets them for free working at an organic grass fed beef farm. I get on kicks with broth, and the times when I use more of it, my joints hurt and I get a horrble plaque build up on my teethand DH's diablity back injury gets worse and he has to consume a ton of magnesium to deal with it. So I wonder if bone broth is messing with our mineral balance? Maybe we are consuming too much with a cup a day. But then again, my teeth are decaying pretty bad and my dentist thinks I need to take a calcium. But wouldn't there be enough in bone broth?
What I am thinking is that bone broth in the TF communityy gets too hyped up and I really havent seen the huge benifits like a wonder food.
It hasn't been this amazing healing food for me. I would love to hear your good and bad stories about your use of bone broth and other TF's.

I wonder if somewhere this way of eating can go overboard to be actually detrimental.
Anyone leave TF to eating conventional again?
post #2 of 65

I think tooth decay is a complicated matter and often can't be solved with bone broth only. When I was growing up, we ate homemade meals every day, a bone broth based dish was on the table *every* day, I drank raw milk and kefirs that my mom and grandma made at home, there was no soda in the house, and yet my teeth still got a lot of cavities.

 

Gout (podagra) is an inflammatory joint disease that is aggravated by purines in broth. (I read a long while ago that is was called "the disease of the rich" because only the wealthy could afford stock-based sauces every day. Two French cuisine main sauces are based on white stock and brown stock - the aristocracy enjoyed those and was plagued with gout.)

 

Broth can has counter indications because it can aggravate a few other medical conditions, so try to cut it out of your diet and see how everyone reacts. Maybe it will be better for your particular case to get calcium from other sources.

 

Edited to add - broth is a part of wonder food, just not for every case. I know quite a few people with various stomach problems (gastritis, erosion, reflux, ulcers) and when their condition worsens, they all turn to gentle broth-based dishes like soups and stews. I know I used to do that when my gastritis was bad. So for the "canary in the mine" people, broth-based dishes are a lifesaver.

post #3 of 65

I think a lot of TF (like any other diet, vegan, low-carb, whatever) is hyped up.  That said, bone broth is pretty rich in vitamins and minerals, so I take the time to make and use it (but I'm not hardcore about using EVERY DAY).  I like a lot of what TF has to offer, but personally, I'm over treating any diet like it's the One True Path to healing and perfect nutrition.

post #4 of 65
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I think a lot of TF (like any other diet, vegan, low-carb, whatever) is hyped up.  That said, bone broth is pretty rich in vitamins and minerals, so I take the time to make and use it (but I'm not hardcore about using EVERY DAY).  I like a lot of what TF has to offer, but personally, I'm over treating any diet like it's the One True Path to healing and perfect nutrition.



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Btw, HI Katie!!! Good to 'see' you.  xo

post #5 of 65

Many people are addicted to True Path feeling - they love to find a True Path and follow it blindly. Of course it's nice, it simplifies things so much. Eat healthy, you won't get sick. Drink raw milk, you won't get caries. Got cancer? there's a diet. Got pre-e? there's a diet for that too. Got multiple sclerosis? that's because you didn't think enough happy thoughts. So easy! It drives me nuts.

 

Of course, when cruel Real Life snatches that noisy True Path toy out of their hands, there is much trauma and feeling of betrayal.

 

Then they find a new toy and it squeaks even louder! More excitement! smile.gif

 

post #6 of 65

Well howdy Erin, nice to "see" you too!  I still have your blog on follow, I was just thinking of you the other day!

post #7 of 65

It makes everything taste better, at least.  But more than that, i have noticed health benefits, better skin most notably.  

post #8 of 65

But off hand, I think that there are generational consequences that we have yet to really explore.  What one generation eats affects the next several generations.  With the decline in breastfeeding earlier in the 20th century, plus the rise of processed foods, we may be seeing the consequences of that in forms of tooth decay and other medical/mental disorders for generations to come. 

post #9 of 65

I can credit bone broth with assisting my cellulite to be almost gone.

Here's the deal though. Bones contain glutamate, and if because of modern food exposure, you are sensitive to MSG, the long cooking time needed to make bone broth can cause a reaction.
One way to deal with that is to cook the bones at a higher temp for a shorter time.

post #10 of 65


Except that traditional foods are just that. traditional and verifiable historically.
Regardless, it takes 3 generations to make a complete mess, and its going to take that many to revers the mess.
 

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Originally Posted by CherryBomb View Post

I think a lot of TF (like any other diet, vegan, low-carb, whatever) is hyped up.  That said, bone broth is pretty rich in vitamins and minerals, so I take the time to make and use it (but I'm not hardcore about using EVERY DAY).  I like a lot of what TF has to offer, but personally, I'm over treating any diet like it's the One True Path to healing and perfect nutrition.



 

post #11 of 65

PP have some insight, and decay can be complex.

 

Have you read the Cure for Tooth Decay?  That may be helpful.

 

Rubbing  Royal Blend (x factor butter oil and fermented clo)  into your teeth could also help.

 

Cell salts are tremendously helpful, particularly, calc flour. for enamal and calc. phos. for calcium.  There is a huge, and tremendously helpful Cell Salts thread around here!

 

A long time ago, I read that each tooth is related to an organ or gland, you could try googling this, and see if, for example, the tooth in question is related to your liver, you could work on that as well.

 

Green smoothies are absolutely fantastic.  My hubby and I have a head of parsley together, blended with a bit of fruit and water kefir.  The kiddos get a milder version of this, lol!

 

There have been rave reviews about spirulina and chlorella.  They have loads of minerals, and who can't use more greens these days?  I started using this in the summer, and have had quite a bit of energy, even in fall, when my energy usually drops significantly.  Spirulina is said to help with food allergies and help in the use of vit. d.  Perhaps this has been of value to me in the regard for energy. 

 

You could also try 4,000ius of vitamin D.

post #12 of 65
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Many people are addicted to True Path feeling - they love to find a True Path and follow it blindly.

Yes, I think that's true, but I think a lot of people aren't necessarily following blindly. There is a lot of research, and convincing psuedo-research, that can be found to support just about any claim under the sun. (Thank you, internet!). So I think a lot of people do have some "back up" for their beliefs.

 

Of course it's nice, it simplifies things so much. Eat healthy, you won't get sick. Drink raw milk, you won't get caries. Got cancer? there's a diet. Got pre-e? there's a diet for that too. Got multiple sclerosis? that's because you didn't think enough happy thoughts. So easy! It drives me nuts.

Drives me nuts, too! Although sometimes I wish that I were not wired to be such a skeptic and to see everything in such complex terms.

 

Of course, when cruel Real Life snatches that noisy True Path toy out of their hands, there is much trauma and feeling of betrayal.

 

Then they find a new toy and it squeaks even louder! More excitement! smile.gif

 


 

 

post #13 of 65
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Except that traditional foods are just that. traditional and verifiable historically.

 



And?  I'm not sure what that has to do with anything I said.

post #14 of 65
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And?  I'm not sure what that has to do with anything I said.


Well, 'coz that's what humans have historically eaten throughout our development as people--our bodies have evolved/are designed to eat these foods, that's why they are "the path" if you will--coz they are " human" food, the foods that have allowed us to survive and thrive and become amazing civilizations, not just animsls gnashing bones or dying of heart disease in front of the teevee with a bucket of kfc.

I'm not saying everyone must do all these things to be healthy, but there arev erifiable accounts of traditional peoples in thriving health beacause of repeatable food practices which have spanned thousnds and thousnds of years, our physiology has adapted to tf and breaking from that so suddenly in the last 50yrs or so is really unwise in terms of what our bodies are equipped to handle. IMO

So I dont really know about myths per say, but definitely think there can be certain tf practices that dont resonate with you, your body, your health specifically whereas other tf practices might be perfect. For instance, I do not dig milk kefir. Love raw milk, but milk kefir doesnt much resonate with me and I have to force it down, I am starting to read my body as saying that maybe milk kefir isnt for me tho it could be wondrous for others, I will stick to raw milk and kombucha, kwim?
post #15 of 65

Yes, Bone Broth is all that it is hyped up to be and much more.

 

One TF myth to me would be that eating grains is okay if they are properly prepared.  I don't think that has proven itself true in this day.  At the very least, wheat is out now, even if WAP himself found people eating it. The wheat seeds today are completely different than they were even then (fairly recently).  The explanation of what happened to wheat seeds in the 70s is in Wheat Belly.  No one should be touching it in any form at this point in history.

post #16 of 65

Bone broth is very good but I still think one needs a balanced diet. I am wondering if there are other factors in the OPs diet that are causing the tooth decay.

Are you eating lots of grains? are you eating enough raw food? how about dental care?

post #17 of 65
I am not an expert in any of this, but I wanted to say a couple of things, although I know this thread is old.

1. My husband is an archaeologist who specializes in ancient food. I get worried when people talk about food traditions being thousands of years old. I can respect WP's observational research, but broad claims about ancient people sprouting, soaking, etc. -- well, that is problematic, both in prehistorical periods and during periods for which we have ancient texts. The evidence is much more sparse than I think most people understand. But, of course, fermentation was more common... There was no refrigeration. Still, an awful lot of raw seeds were consumed in many cultures; phytic acid was a non- concern. Use of dairy varied a great deal around the world, and there were very healthy cultures without raw dairy... It is complicated stuff. And, yes, ancient wheat does not at all exist anymore, so we have Monsanto to thank for some of our issues.

2. My daughter is on a different diet for a malabsorption disorder called low FODMAP. That community has people who also do other diets, such as failsafe, SCD, and paleo. One thing I have heard about the NT diet and heavily promoted GAPS diet is that both are high in naturally occurring food chemicals, such as salicylates and amines. I don't know how that might impact dental health, but for people who have a low tolerance for such chemicals, this diet approach might not be the best (one would have to research to failsafe diet to get a handle on that). Bone broth is very troublesome for such sensitivities. And GAPS diet at this point would make my own daughter seriously ill, although there is some overlap with her diet. We are all different.

Thanks for listening.
post #18 of 65


If you have read WAPs book, you would find that he addressed those very issues. Only a few cultures he studies drank milk for example.

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I am not an expert in any of this, but I wanted to say a couple of things, although I know this thread is old.
1. My husband is an archaeologist who specializes in ancient food. I get worried when people talk about food traditions being thousands of years old. I can respect WP's observational research, but broad claims about ancient people sprouting, soaking, etc. -- well, that is problematic, both in prehistorical periods and during periods for which we have ancient texts. The evidence is much more sparse than I think most people understand. But, of course, fermentation was more common... There was no refrigeration. Still, an awful lot of raw seeds were consumed in many cultures; phytic acid was a non- concern. Use of dairy varied a great deal around the world, and there were very healthy cultures without raw dairy... It is complicated stuff. And, yes, ancient wheat does not at all exist anymore, so we have Monsanto to thank for some of our issues.
2. My daughter is on a different diet for a malabsorption disorder called low FODMAP. That community has people who also do other diets, such as failsafe, SCD, and paleo. One thing I have heard about the NT diet and heavily promoted GAPS diet is that both are high in naturally occurring food chemicals, such as salicylates and amines. I don't know how that might impact dental health, but for people who have a low tolerance for such chemicals, this diet approach might not be the best (one would have to research to failsafe diet to get a handle on that). Bone broth is very troublesome for such sensitivities. And GAPS diet at this point would make my own daughter seriously ill, although there is some overlap with her diet. We are all different.
Thanks for listening.


 

post #19 of 65
Right, I hear you. But the local NTers I know promote raw dairy very, very heavily... Just like everyone promotes bone broth. But if you are sensitive to amines, for example, bone broth will make you feel sick. GAPS won't heal that either. We use bone broth liberally and spent a year on raw dairy before realizing that the dairy piece does not work for us right now. Another example: very few people talk about fructose malabsorption, which is endemic to many populations, and which makes raw honey problematic. I am just offering examples... Not of myths, per say, but things that might not align well for folks when taking a single approach. Having been part of international networks of people with various malabsorption disorders, I have learned that folks should do what works best for their bodies... If NT works for you, that is wonderful, but it isn't for the OP, so I was trying to respond to that issue.

I did medical anthropology and maternal and child health; husband has been in the field for 23 years. Like I said, I respect WP's observations... We don't agree with everything in the NT approach for us right now, but neither one of us would slam someone for whom it is working. But if it is not, there are reasons why that might be the case. And delving into the traditional food cultures and practices is a lot more complicated that many realize... With all due respect, WP did not have the training to know or understand ancient or prehistorical food traditions, so when people talk about his work in terms of,"This has been done for thousands of years," that concerns me. I am not talking about what he wrote or said; I am talking more about how people interpret his work and talk about it in real life or in blogs. I hope that makes sense. It is hard when something isn't working for you to hear that humans have been eating that way for thousands of years... It makes you feel bad and wonder what's wrong with you. I have been there. It is unecessary b/c one cannot always extrapolate food practices from early in the last century to thousands of years ago... again, this is more about how people talk about WP or NT, but I was hoping it would help the OP to feel less bad or defensive about her situation.

Sarah
post #20 of 65

can you say more about fructose malabsorption please ?

when can i read about that ?

thanks.

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