Edited by BaileyB - 2/10/12 at 11:47am
cruncy_mommy, i'll say this again. I GOT MY SSN at 16! It did not take years, because back in the 70's they were not automatically issued...or at least my mother didn't apply to get me one. SSN are completely voluntary, it is not mandatory so you can opt-in at anytime, you just can't opt-out.
If your child does not have a BC/SSN, then it is not a ward of the state; absent a marriage license, the state has no claim or jurisdiction over the child. Therefore removal of child by CPS would be kidnapping. The US has to have jurisdiction over the child to remove it into it's custody.
This is somewhat difficult to explain, because you have to understand jurisdiction and when it applies. US has jurisdiction over all it's CITIZENS ONLY! You automatically qualify to become a citizen upon birth on US soil, but you have to fill out the paperwork to claim that right (if it is a right you want).
I can not stress this enough people. If you properly prove your childs birth through witnesses (2-3) and medical records, you can/your child can, at any time, submit an application for a SSN. A birth certificate is not needed as all it does is prove your birth...kind of redundant! There is a greater amount of difficulty as more time passes because they have a harder time ensuring you are telling the truth. Hospitals keep records for what 3-7 years and then archive them? Archives aren't always reliable. That is why you, the parent, must keep good records.
AKKARIN, so am I understanding you correctly. Since you didn't get your child a birth cert or SS# you don't believe them to be citizens? I am no expert but I don't believe it works that way. I believe that regardless of your signing them up for the rights they are indeed citizens, like it or not. Again why do you stay? I am not being belligerent asking this question several times I just cant fathom what would keep you in this country. If you truly dont want citizenship for your child why didn't you have them somewhere else so they wouldn't be faced with that "burden" at all?
If you need multiple affidavits from witnesses to the birth....
and you UP and UC.....
How is your child going to get those affidavits? From whom? When?
It's only been 12 years since my son was born. I'm not sure I could find three people other than me who saw him come out of my body and would remember it well enough to be willing to sign legal papers, and I had a hospital birth. If you give birth alone, who else is going to attest so your kid can get their paperwork decades later?
Maybe it's the idea that the Man is telling you what to do. I look at it like this. The US is pretty much a corporation. Each worker (us) needs to be able to coexist while applying to bottom line. If you don't want to be part of the Corporation, so be it. Change it then rather than hide from it. I don't want to be part of it, but I realize that by starting small I can make a difference. We didn't want toll roads here in SA. And the citizens fought it. HS here is as you want it. You're a private school as a homeschooling family. I can take my kids in and out of the school system all I want. Having freedoms and rights starts with how you can handle it all. You can hide or you can act. I choose to act.
And I wasn't begrugding education. I know it's important. I'm saying that you can hide by trying hide out from the "Man" or you can face it and do something about the things you don't like.
Who determines what/who is educated - the state? Parents?
Stats show HSed children in general tend to outperform schooled children so I will take my chances with parents, thanks.
I am fairly certain that States with high reporting requirements for HSers do not score any better on standardized tests than more loosy-goosy States.
Eye wuld get a linck fer u, butt my brane has rotted from the ebil WoW.
Ok, tell me, if there is no BC & no SSN, then how would CPS even know about the child? You see, there would be no records of the child's existence in the eyes of the state. This isn't about abusing a child, this is about not being told how to raise the child.
I have given you personal stories illustrating my point, if you choose not to read them that is your choice. For me, the government has been abusive, so I do not trust it to be the "Father" of my child (insinuating Parens Patriae). It may be good enough 'Father' for other people's children though...as well as yours...that is up to you!
Actually SSN's are still not automatically issued or my little one would have one. It was unfortunate that our Midwife felt the labor went out of her comfort after 3 days, so we got stuck at a hospital (child was out of position and a car ride fixed that, went from 4cm to 7cm by the time we reached the hospital).
Ok, you think CPS can take a child not in it's jurisdiction. Consider every Mormon compound throughout the Southwest. They can not touch those children, and some of those children are not highly educated. Unless those children are so abused and that abuse is proved...they may take the children, but have to give them back if evidence lacks. It makes me think of a compound in Texas where incest was thought to occur. Well, they couldn't prove it and so the children were returned.
"If you were born in the U.S. and there is no birth certificate on file, you will need several different documents to substantiate your citizenship. "
You are not a citizen until you file the necessary paperwork! You are just automatically qualify if you were born in the country though.
"We can accept only certain documents as proof of U.S. citizenship. These include a U.S. birth certificate, U.S. consular report of birth, U.S. passport, Certificate of Naturalization or Certificate of Citizenship."
Ta da....I'm in the process of of getting my child a passport.