I understand the 'gross' and totally agree. go free go sustainable.
This simply isn't true. I think many of us "get it", we just don't agree.
And people abusing anything or anyone is "gross", you are making sweeping judgments that are unfair and gross.
Not only do we "get" it, but we probably "get" it better than you (not the "you" I'm quoting here, the "you" this post is quoting).
OP? You just admitted that until sometime during this thread, you actually thought that birth certificates and social security numbers/cards were the same thing.
They're NOT the same thing, they're totally and completely different things. They serve different purposes, they are administered by entirely different organizations (at entirely different levels of government!!), and have very different legislative and administrative histories.
You want us to believe your theories as to the nefarious underpinnings of these things, yet you clearly do not understand what they actually are. This makes it hard to take any of your arguments about them seriously at all.
We used our Birth Certificate to get a SSN number and passport for the baby I had at home Unassisted. It was the ONLY documentation I needed for SSN.
SSN can NOT be got via a birth Certificate you must show proof of birth- your BC means nothing and they will not except it- the hosp sends proof of birth (different) the physician, MF or a ped can also sign this- they have a form at SS that they give you and it states BC is not excepted --- this is for a young child
we went thru this three years ago
we could not use our BC for our DS and had to have the SS form filled out by his ped
ETA - some states do issue BC for stillborns that is one of the reasons BC are not valid
Anonymity and not being taxed, or tracked, etc. is the main reason. As far as bank account, mortgage, getting a job: Bank account in not a big deal. Get a safe in your house, live debt free, pay as you go, etc. Mortgage: buy a for sale by owner home or a rent to own home. Jobs: find a cash only job, etc. There's a lot of illegals with no SSN that get jobs. Or farm, which we do. State ID and driving is the only problem that will have to be worked out.
I'm not trying to be combative but there are plenty of good reasons not to have a national tracking number.
OP, it might help if you restate your reasons for not wanting a BC, as I think this post is what most people in this thread are referring to, where you state that not being taxed IS a reason.
So glad we're all being schooled. I thought for sure I must be an idiot. That SSI tax has certainly done nothing for me... Oh... wait... My Downs Uncle found it useful... AHA! I know quite a few more people that found it useful as well... all special needs. Who gives a rats AZZ about them? I need to start thinking more about myself!
I've been lurking, but now I'll jump in.
I totally get the urge to want to create a life outside of systems that you find oppressive. I go to great lengths in my life to live outside of systems of homophobia and misogyny and racism. I would like to protect my child from systems that destroy the environment and disenfranchise vulnerable people.
What I don't get is the specific religious view point in which you & some others are framing your arguments. As someone who doesn't share that religious framework, the logic of your arguments just doesn't make any sense to me, sorry.
And as far as I can tell, no one in this thread is making a non-religious argument for not getting BCs for your children. The only ones advocating against BC have religious reasons for doing so. Everyone else seems to think that getting a BC is a good idea. Unless I've missed something?
While travel is a right... and I get that... the douches that rearended me and fractured my vertebrea helping cement my Disabled status at 29... didn't feel the need to have a license or insurance... um... basically they felt it was just fine to not have anything that could pin point who they were... and then they were nice enough to leave me stranded... in pain... so... I could give two sh*ts about anyones right to trapse around the f*ing country without documentation. You'd be amazed at the people who feel no obligation to be human when they can get in trouble. Ha... but what do I know? Oh and they were obviously legally here. And later found.
Documentation holds people accountable. Well sometimes.
These people you are describing are most likely Mennonite. We have modern people, Amish, and Mennonite customers so I do know the difference and know their customs. I am not fantasizing. My daughter has been babysat by a Mennonite family at a business convention we were at. I know what the f---- I am talking about.
This thread is a dead horse, once again.
Um, no. I mean Amish. Like the ones I lived by. The ones I visited the farms of and traded berries for baked goods. The ones my parents bought baked goods off of for years. Guys in the black pants, straw hats, and blue shirts riding the horses & buggies. The ones that called themselves Amish. They also sent some of their kids to public schools, shopped at Wal-Mart, etc. The ones that sent their kids to the pediatrician in town because their daughter was too sick too help. The ones that had to go to the county's ER after a car-buggy accident. Yep, I know what I'm talking about too.
Mennonite....heck, I know some of those too. I had an awesome Mennonite man as a college professor. I loved his classes on terrorism and sociology!
HA. Yep, Amish. I lived in Camden, Michigan...home to an Amish settlement. Right on.
ETA: This one talks about the bakery I mentioned above: http://voices.yahoo.com/hillsdale-county-michigan-has-lot-offer-folks-4751348.html
So yeah, I know what I'm talking about too. Have a great night!