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[tiqa]

I get that some people want to not support systems of misogyny, homophobia, etc. etc... but uh.   I really fail to see how that links up to not participating at all.  I mean, wouldn't it make sense that you could change the system from within more than you could from without?  I mean, since I live in America, and am a citizen, I have a dog in the game, so to speak.  Unless you are planning on moving to a country where you agree with all the laws and systems and it's flawless in every way, I don't know how opting out (or, opting your child out) is going to help anything.  I can't go into a random company and tell them how to run their business.  But maybe if I get hired by the company, even at a low level, I *might* be able to work my way up within its ranks to where I could change the policies myself.  Is it likely to happen?  Not really.  Is it possible?  More so than if I never worked for the company at all.  And if your child may one day grow up to be a politician who makes good changes on a community or even national level, chances are they'll need paperwork at some point.

[DoubleDouble]

Heinlein's "Coventry" comes to mind.

[BaileyB]

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Edited by BaileyB - 2/10/12 at 11:54am

[erthe_mama]

Originally Posted by savithny 
  There's no DNA submission requirement or tracking number or anything of that nature.

Ummm... PKU tests are stored by the government for DNA samples...

[savithny]

Originally Posted by erthe_mama 

Ummm... PKU tests are stored by the government for DNA samples...

Ummm.... the PKU test has absolutely nothing to do with the birth certificate.   They are two different processes (three different processes, if you count the Social Security Number application!) and are not linked.

And even if you do believe that the government is linking them, they're still separate processes, with separate consent forms.   Lots of people here apparently skip the PKU (though I personally think that's silly at best and reckless at worst, but that's another thread entirely and its been done before) and still get birth certificates.

Again:  When you submit the birth certificate application, there IS NO REQUIREMENT THAT YOU SUBMIT DNA. It's not like they require that you use a fountain pen full of your infant's cord blood or something.  

But if you're that worried, wear gloves while filling it out and don't lick the envelope.  Problem solved!

[stik]

Originally Posted by erthe_mama 

Ummm... PKU tests are stored by the government for DNA samples...

This varies from state to state.  And, while some states store samples for potential future research, no state runs DNA sequencing on them because that is prohibitively expensive, and most states do not catalog the samples or maintain them in archival conditions. 

[Imakcerka]

B FLIPPIN S!  So ridiculous.  Just like the NSA monitors all your phone calls... I've worked there... they hire some jack offs who are way too smart with no social skills... It's like Daycare for geniuses who eat wallpaper.  The only DNA that is collected is from felons and it's not even in all states.  Stop the fear mongering. 

 

Originally Posted by erthe_mama 

Ummm... PKU tests are stored by the government for DNA samples...

[Imakcerka]

Originally Posted by Imakcerka 

B FLIPPIN S!  So ridiculous.  Just like the NSA monitors all your phone calls... I've worked there... they hire some jack offs who are way too smart with no social skills... It's like Daycare for geniuses who eat wallpaper.  The only DNA that is collected is from felons and it's not even in all states.  Stop the fear mongering. 

 

I'd like to point out that I was not Hired by NSA... so... I don't eat wallpaper nor am I smart...

[savithny]

Originally Posted by Imakcerka 

B FLIPPIN S!  So ridiculous.  Just like the NSA monitors all your phone calls... I've worked there... they hire some jack offs who are way too smart with no social skills... It's like Daycare for geniuses who eat wallpaper.  The only DNA that is collected is from felons and it's not even in all states.  Stop the fear mongering. 
 

LOL!   My office was contracted to do some research on the effectiveness of a job preparation program.   Two different programs run by SSA serve youth and adults who need this assistance, and we wanted to be able to track graduates of from one program as they entered the other using SSA data.   We couldn't.  Different computer databases owned by SSA, for the purposes of  keeping track of benefits paid and services used by the same people as children and adults were programmed so differently that they could not be accurately matched.  

The government.  A lot less competent at recordkeeping than we think it is.

[Imakcerka]

Right?  Sometimes I wander around in wonderment of all the people that wandering around around me...
 

Originally Posted by savithny 

LOL!   My office was contracted to do some research on the effectiveness of a job preparation program.   Two different programs run by SSA serve youth and adults who need this assistance, and we wanted to be able to track graduates of from one program as they entered the other using SSA data.   We couldn't.  Different computer databases owned by SSA, for the purposes of  keeping track of benefits paid and services used by the same people as children and adults were programmed so differently that they could not be accurately matched.  

The government.  A lot less competent at recordkeeping than we think it is.

[erthe_mama]

Ah, yes, I'm sure the U.S. government is perfectly harmless. ROFL And you think I'm the nutter...

[savithny]

Originally Posted by erthe_mama 

Ah, yes, I'm sure the U.S. government is perfectly harmless. ROFL And you think I'm the nutter...

Harmless?  No.  

Superintelligent and ultra-coordinated?    Also no.   

[Akkarin]

Originally Posted by AllyRae 

The difference is, I don't care.  I'm not paranoid of "the man".  In fact, even if "the man" makes mistakes, I consider myself extremely BLESSED to live in the country I do.  I have the FREEDOM because of people who gave their lives and that FREEDOM gives me the ability to question the government or to make choices or to know if something bad happens to me, I have options available to help my children and I get back on our feet...very few people around the world get that.

Blind patriot dribble.

freedom

exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.

 

After reading the definition, do you really think you have freedom?

vassal

(in the feudal system) a person granted the use of land, in return for rendering homage, fealty, and usually military service or its equivalent to a lord or other superior; feudal tenant.

Lets look at this again:

a person granted the use of land, in return for rendering homage (property taxes), fealty ( loyalty), and usually military service (selective service) or its equivalent to a lord or other superior; feudal tenant. We are all tenants on the land....look at your deed!

We do not have freedom that is not granted to us by our lord the US government & it's subsidiaries; the various states, counties, cities. This is why we must ask for permission (license) to do certain acts. Have you ever wondered why you must get a license from the government to hunt on land you have permission (from the supposed owner of the land) to hunt on? That's the 'Kings' land you want to hunt on so you must have his permission.

In the days of ole, a marriage was arranged or permission asked by usually the bridegroom or his representative. The fathers of both the bridegroom and bride commonly gave their permission for the union. Now a days, one does not need their biological father's permission to marry, they need their lords permission...the STATE.

http://www.ohiobar.org/Pages/LawFactsPamphletsDetail.aspx?itemID=35

When you state your marriage vows, you enter into a legal contract. There are three parties to that legal contract: 1) you; 2) your spouse; and 3) the state of Ohio. The state is a party to the contract because, under its laws, you have certain obligations and responsibilities to each other, to any children you may have, and to Ohio. (I really suggest reading this passage a few times)

Just as the BC and SSN, you are not legally required to obtain a marriage license, but just as if you do not get a SSN, you sacrifice state benefits (remember, for every benefit taken, there is a cost). Also, you may struggle to get health insurers, etc.. to recognize your marriage (assuming you married the old school method). The marriage license is the first way the state gets partial ownership of your children. As they are a party to the corporation, they have vested interest in all corporate assets acquired after it's creation.

Now, are children owned by their parents. The answer to that question from a corporate standpoint is an emphatic YES! Children are corporate assets as we are all Human Resources (corporations have HR departments for managing it's chattel). Having said that, only a FOOL would abuse it's assets as you get more return in the long run by taking care of the asset. The state knows this, and that is why the state moves in to protect it's assets. Same principle is true with animals, you cage them up and feed them low quality food and they in turn provide inadequate sustenance. This may sound cold, but it doesn't mean it's untrue. The saying goes, "It's not personal, it's business".

resources:

In the plural, pecuniary means: funds, money or any property that can be converted into supplies; means of raising money or supplies. Our national resources for carrying war are abundant. Commerce and manufactures furnish ample resources. ~ Websters 1828 dictionary

One last thing to add, a SSN is a identification number for the government to be able to tell it's "citizens" apart, just like a farmer numbers his animals. It's no wonder some think its the mark of a beast; as honestly there is no difference. 666 or XXX-XX-XXXX

beast

2.

the crude animal nature common to humans and the lower animals

Edited by Akkarin - 2/28/12 at 8:26pm

[Kelly1101]

LMAO.

This is the most hilarious post I've read in my entire time here, I think.  And that's saying a lot.

Some think SSN are the mark of the beast?  I think I know my new FB status.
 

Originally Posted by Akkarin 

 It's no wonder some think its the mark of a beast; as honestly there is no difference. 666 or XXX-XX-XXXX

 

[Kelly1101]

Quoting whole thing in case it goes away.

Originally Posted by Akkarin 

Blind patriot dribble.

freedom

exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.

 

After reading the definition, do you really think you have freedom?

vassal

(in the feudal system) a person granted the use of land, in return for rendering homage, fealty, and usually military service or its equivalent to a lord or other superior; feudal tenant.

Lets look at this again:

a person granted the use of land, in return for rendering homage (property taxes), fealty ( loyalty), and usually military service (selective service) or its equivalent to a lord or other superior; feudal tenant. We are all tenants on the land....look at your deed!

We do not have freedom that is not granted to us by our lord the US government & it's subsidiaries; the various states, counties, cities. This is why we must ask for permission (license) to do certain acts. Have you ever wondered why you must get a license from the government to hunt on land you have permission (from the supposed owner of the land) to hunt on? That's the 'Kings' land you want to hunt on so you must have his permission.

In the days of ole, a marriage was arranged or permission asked by usually the bridegroom or his representative. The fathers of both the bridegroom and bride commonly gave their permission for the union. Now a days, one does not need their biological father's permission to marry, they need their lords permission...the STATE.

http://www.ohiobar.org/Pages/LawFactsPamphletsDetail.aspx?itemID=35

When you state your marriage vows, you enter into a legal contract. There are three parties to that legal contract: 1) you; 2) your spouse; and 3) the state of Ohio. The state is a party to the contract because, under its laws, you have certain obligations and responsibilities to each other, to any children you may have, and to Ohio. (I really suggest reading this passage a few times)

Just as the BC and SSN, you are not legally required to obtain a marriage license, but just as if you do not get a SSN, you sacrifice state benefits (remember, for every benefit taken, there is a cost). Also, you may struggle to get health insurers, etc.. to recognize your marriage (assuming you married the old school method). The marriage license is the first way the state gets partial ownership of your children. As they are a party to the corporation, they have vested interest in all corporate assets acquired after it's creation.

Now, are children owned by their parents. The answer to that question from a corporate standpoint is an emphatic YES! Children are corporate assets as we are all Human Resources (corporations have HR departments for managing it's chattel). Having said that, only a FOOL would abuse it's assets as you get more return in the long run by taking care of the asset. The state knows this, and that is why the state moves in to protect it's assets. Same principle is true with animals, you cage them up and feed them low quality food and they in turn provide inadequate sustenance. This may sound cold, but it doesn't mean it's untrue. The saying goes, "It's not personal, it's business".

resources:

In the plural, pecuniary means: funds, money or any property that can be converted into supplies; means of raising money or supplies. Our national resources for carrying war are abundant. Commerce and manufactures furnish ample resources. ~ Websters 1828 dictionary

One last thing to add, a SSN is a identification number for the government to be able to tell it's "citizens" apart, just like a farmer numbers his animals. It's no wonder some think its the mark of a beast; as honestly there is no difference. 666 or XXX-XX-XXXX

beast

2.

the crude animal nature common to humans and the lower animals

[Akkarin]

Originally Posted by Kelly1101 

LMAO.

This is the most hilarious post I've read in my entire time here, I think.  And that's saying a lot.

Some think SSN are the mark of the beast?  I think I know my new FB status.
 

I never said mark of the beast, I said mark of a beast. Subtle difference. By all means, if you do not agree, refute the logic that numbering people is any different than numbering beasts.

While you are at it, refute that people that indulge their animal side too much are any different than a beast. See definition of a beast.
 

Edited by Akkarin - 2/29/12 at 7:10am

[WildKingdom]

Best. Thread. Ever.

[Imakcerka]

it is pretty interesting...  and kind of funny, but kind of not...

[coffeegirl]

Originally Posted by Akkarin 

I never said mark of the beast, I said mark of a beast. Subtle difference. By all means, if you do not agree, refute the logic that numbering people is any different than numbering beasts.

While you are at it, refute that people that indulge their animal side too much are any different than a beast. See definition of a beast.
 

Oh come on now, don't be obtuse. You threw out "666" as part of your point. You were talking about the Mark of the Beast.

[Imakcerka]

I have researched beast...

And are you talking about the AntiChrist... DEAR GAWD!!! 

My grandmother refused to get a debit card, mark of the/a (not sure which she used but apparently there is a big difference) Beast.

Originally Posted by Akkarin 

I never said mark of the beast, I said mark of a beast. Subtle difference. By all means, if you do not agree, refute the logic that numbering people is any different than numbering beasts.

While you are at it, refute that people that indulge their animal side too much are any different than a beast. See definition of a beast.