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[Akkarin]

Originally Posted by coffeegirl 

Oh come on now, don't be obtuse. You threw out "666" as part of your point. You were talking about the Mark of the Beast.

I merged other beliefs and mine together. There are those on the internet that believe the SSN is the 'mark of the beast' of the anti-christ (system). Myself, I am not claiming that. I believe it to be a mark of a beast, the beast being you or I.

666 part is a theory of mine that 666 could represent any number combination like our current notation of XXX. If this is true, then XXX-XX-XXXX would be the same as XXX or 666; just a larger signature.

I could even take this a step further and say that I believe the word beast includes any heathen. If that is true, then this covers all non-believers, covenant breakers, idol worshipers (American Idol anyone?).

[Imakcerka]

I don't get what you mean by saying mark of  A beast rather than mark of the Beast.  Then it's not bad... or is it bad... and why? 

[coffeegirl]

I'm not clear on how that's any different? You're still using the traditional value of 666 (ie: the biblical Mark of the Beast, or Antichrist) to make your point. 

For the record, I never criticized or commented on the whole mark of the beast/SSN# correlation argument outright. But that WAS your argument.

[Akkarin]

Originally Posted by coffeegirl 

I'm not clear on how that's any different? You're still using the traditional value of 666 (ie: the biblical Mark of the Beast, or Antichrist) to make your point. 

For the record, I never criticized or commented on the whole mark of the beast/SSN# correlation argument outright. But that WAS your argument.

What I am saying is I believe that the mark of the beast to be a misunderstanding. That this is not referring to an anti-christ, but instead means there will be a time when man will be numbered like a beast. This has happened in the past.

There is a relationship between the two concepts coffeegirl, but they are still different.

Originally Posted by Imakcerka 

I don't get what you mean by saying mark of  A beast rather than mark of the Beast.  Then it's not bad... or is it bad... and why? 

It is bad Imakcerka because we should not be treated like common beasts. We, those of us that choose not to debase ourselves, are not to be numbered. On the other hand, if we choose to indulge our animal side, than are we really better then any animal?

I'll quote the musical group Bloodhound Gang, "You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals
So let's do it like they do on the discover channel"
 

[Akkarin]

mark

5.

an affixed or impressed device, symbol, inscription, etc., serving to give information, identify, indicate origin or ownership, attest to character or comparative merit, or the like, as a trademark.

 

SSN is affixed to one's name.

[Imakcerka]

Then all symbols could be construde as such as there are many symbols in every day life that we are attached to in some way. 

 

Originally Posted by Akkarin 

mark

5.

an affixed or impressed device, symbol, inscription, etc., serving to give information, identify, indicate origin or ownership, attest to character or comparative merit, or the like, as a trademark.

 

SSN is affixed to one's name.

[Imakcerka]

By the way... bloodhound gang reminds me of my honeymoon...

[Akkarin]

Originally Posted by Imakcerka 

Then all symbols could be construde as such as there are many symbols in every day life that we are attached to in some way.

Maybe, but that doesn't change that a mark can be used to identify something...like a man or beast.

[Imakcerka]

Literally, a physical mark.  What about emotionally or mentally?  That's where I disagree.  I don't think it's a physical mark. 

Originally Posted by Akkarin 

Maybe, but that doesn't change that a mark can be used to identify something...like a man or beast.

[coffeegirl]

So Revelations is literally true, and WE, the people of our time, are the beast spoken of in the Bible. Not the antichrist, but us. And the Mark of the Beast is likely to be our SS#.

One thing that makes that theory hard to swallow is that it means virtually everyone in America is damned. And since most people get their SS# when they're infants and don't really have a say in the matter....it just doesn't seem like the prophesy of a just God. 

Also, it's a bit imperialist isn't it? What about people in other countries who don't have SS#s?

[Imakcerka]

“If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath.” Revelation 14:9,10

But nobody is supposed to actually know what the Mark of the Beast is. According to Rev, we aren't to know. 

And geez!  Thanks sweet Backstabbing Judas I do not believe that mess anymore. 

[Akkarin]

Originally Posted by coffeegirl 

So Revelations is literally true, and WE, the people of our time, are the beast spoken of in the Bible. Not the antichrist, but us. And the Mark of the Beast is likely to be our SS#.

One thing that makes that theory hard to swallow is that it means virtually everyone in America is damned. And since most people get their SS# when they're infants and don't really have a say in the matter....it just doesn't seem like the prophesy of a just God. 

Also, it's a bit imperialist isn't it? What about people in other countries who don't have SS#s?

Coffeegirl, not everything in the bible is literal, but that doesn't mean things in it aren't. Not everyone in the world, as many countries mark their citizens, are to be damned. In fact, just reference the quote by Imakcerka. As should be able to see, it requires more than a mark to damn you.

Please though, I know I began this by implying a connection between SSN and revelations mark. My point, regardless of the accuracy to prophecy, is that the SSN is a mark, identifying mark affixed to your name, that is no different than a cow being number by a farmer. Therefore, the SSN is a mark of A beast. I continue to stand by my position that humans are not resources, are not chattel, and are not to be marked as one. I do believe though, that these humans not marked should conduct themselves in a more 'spiritual' fashion than animal. If one chooses to embrace their animalistic side, then they should be marked and managed accordingly.

Originally Posted by Imakcerka 

“If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath.” Revelation 14:9,10

The only way to truly understand this passage is to look up the corresponding Greek words and check their meaning. As the greek word for forehead does not mean the body part forehead. It's being metaphorical.

I really do not want to go too deep into religious belief though. I want to try and stay focused on why people should reconsider the BC & subsequently the SSN. BTW, in Canada their three letters for SSN is SIN. They actually have a SIN tax. LOL

[coffeegirl]

True, I think it muddies the waters to bring this too far into a religious discussion.

[Imakcerka]

Akkarin, I get what you're saying but there are large groups of people that take the bible literally.  The way the mark was described to me was that it was allowing your mind, body and soul to be corrupted.  Not a physical stamp and not something inserted into your body.  I bring this up because I've been told by many that it was something soley physical. 

Just thought it was interesting.  Not a religious debater here. 

[minkin03]

I don't know.... I think we should be more concerned about big brother being Target than the government. Much more sophisticated and so much more to gain

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2102859/How-Target-knows-shoppers-pregnant--figured-teen-father-did.html

[Kelly1101]

The Mark of The/A Beast and Bloodhoung Gang quotes.

The awesome-- I can't stand it.

Originally Posted by Akkarin 

What I am saying is I believe that the mark of the beast to be a misunderstanding. That this is not referring to an anti-christ, but instead means there will be a time when man will be numbered like a beast. This has happened in the past.

There is a relationship between the two concepts coffeegirl, but they are still different.

It is bad Imakcerka because we should not be treated like common beasts. We, those of us that choose not to debase ourselves, are not to be numbered. On the other hand, if we choose to indulge our animal side, than are we really better then any animal?

I'll quote the musical group Bloodhound Gang, "You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals
So let's do it like they do on the discover channel"
 

[Akkarin]

Originally Posted by Imakcerka 

Akkarin, I get what you're saying but there are large groups of people that take the bible literally.  The way the mark was described to me was that it was allowing your mind, body and soul to be corrupted.  Not a physical stamp and not something inserted into your body.  I bring this up because I've been told by many that it was something soley physical. 

Just thought it was interesting.  Not a religious debater here. 

Imakcerka, I have been thinking about what you said and while I believe it to be partially true, I do not believe it reflects the whole picture. You are forgetting the buying and selling of goods. Now, you can not get a bank account nor a credit card very easily without a SSN (i have heard there are ways, but I can't verify the validity of this). Also, you can not sell goods without a SSN (unless under the table) as you need a SSN to get your business a Tax ID(can you form a business without a tax ID, i wonder). In all honesty, the SSN does cover that parameter...to a degree. It also covers both rich and poor, which also receive the mark. As I mentioned to coffeegirl, this only covers one aspect of being a beast. As you said, not only would one have the mark externally, they would also bear the mark internally.

Take for instance Beauty and the Beast story. The prince was spoiled, selfish, unkind...a beast within. That was until he was cursed and his 'beautiful' outter appearance was replaced with his true beastly nature. While a story of fiction there is lots of subtext. How many people in the US alone might be spoiled, selfish, and unkind? I would say the youth are becoming more beastly with each generation, a truly sad thing to behold. A product, in my opinion, of trying to make everything equal...for us vassels. Teaching everyone at the pace of one slow individual...hampering some very talented adults to be. Vaccinating all, leaving some (maybe more then we know), damaged. Encouraging loyalty to the state while at the same time the family unit is under an attack. Ever ask yourself why so many movies, like Harry Potter, stars an orphan as the main character? Even worse, removing religion from schools, to ensure tolerance at the expense of leaving a void for the children to fill; spiritually empty.

Without spirituality, what do you have left? The animal, the beast (werewolf), the vampire, the zombie, the material makeup of our physical bodies. At least with the werewolf metaphor, the person has some life...not the walking dead. They may have some spirituality inside, but they allow their animal side to rule them too much. This is the nature of what I am saying and the SSN marks these people as the beasts they are. The silver lining is, we do not have to remain a beast, walking dead, etc.. There is a way back to the light and it begins with one's personal choice to control their animalistic nature (that doesn't mean you can not enjoy physical experiences) and pursue some sort of spirituality. The symbol representing this is Yin/Yang. We must accept we are both light and dark, learning to balance those forces inside. If everyone could do this, government would go back to they way it use to be, servant of the people instead of functioning as the father figure of it's citizens. We all could live as Narnians, free but still united during times of crises. Yes they did answer to a King, at times, but for the most part they were allowed to live without the need of the Kings permission. They knew the law as set down by Aslan, and managed their own affairs accordingly.

[Akkarin]

Originally Posted by minkin03 

I don't know.... I think we should be more concerned about big brother being Target than the government. Much more sophisticated and so much more to gain
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2102859/How-Target-knows-shoppers-pregnant--figured-teen-father-did.html

It's not about being afraid of Big Brother, it has more to do with government interference. That has always been my point. Though I was basically called a fear monger for expressing why I do not want the government as my or my child's father.

Edited by Akkarin - 3/2/12 at 4:49pm

[Akkarin]

Originally Posted by Kelly1101 

The Mark of The/A Beast and Bloodhoung Gang quotes.

The awesome-- I can't stand it.

Sigh, Kelly1101, can you contribute something constructive? Or must you continue to lower yourself to mockery?
 

[Imakcerka]

You can do all those things without a SSN,  I got Illegals in my family tree.  They're doing just fine pimping the system, and some of them are not even doing that and still having a grand old time.  No SSN's either.