Anyone considering getting their daughter circumcised? - Page 2

[Cynthia Mosher]

Under the assumption that this is a sincerely posted topic and the OP needs more information to understand the issues I am moving this to The Case Against Circumcision forum. 

youlandhaq, Mothering is not a place where you will find support for circumcision of infants or children. Please keep that in mind as you read the responses and appreciate why circumcision of your daughter should be a decision she makes for herself. If you are here to advocate for circumcision then your membership will be closed.

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

OP you are assuming that your dd will have the same issues you do when there is no way you can know that for sure. What if if the circ causes her to have issues that she wouldnt have had? You cannot know for sure it wont.

The thing about female orgasm is that with us it is usually mental that we cannot reach completion not always but it is a pretty high percentage.

I will say though that if I had a 100% guarantee that it would help I would strongly consider it. Mind you not a 99.9% but 100% undeniable proof that it would work. But since I could never get that then no I would not mess with my babies genitals. The very idea makes me slightly nauseous.

[Night_Nurse]

Hey everyone,

I could be waaaaay off here but I'm guessing the OP posted this to show the hypocrisy in the male vs female circ argument. Maybe like how it's ridiculous to circ a baby boy because his dad or grandfather had a problem.

IDK.

[Cyllya]

Originally Posted by Night_Nurse 

Hey everyone,

I could be waaaaay off here but I'm guessing the OP posted this to show the hypocrisy in the male vs female circ argument. Maybe like how it's ridiculous to circ a baby boy because his dad or grandfather had a problem.

IDK.

Kind of preaching to the choir if that's the case.

[MichelleZB]

I just wanted to clear up, for the edification of anyone reading this thread later, that female circumcision has never been associated with better female sexual response. Removing or cutting the clitoral hood (which is what I assume the kind of female circumcision the OP was talking about) will NOT increase sensation in the clitoris, and does not bring clitoral nerves closer to the surface of the clitoris like she seems to be claiming.

On the contrary, female circumcision has been associated with sexual dysfunction. If you want your daughter to have a healthy sex life, the best thing you can do is leave her genitals alone.

Seems like a no-brainer, but just thought I'd state that for the record.

[aeterna]

Originally Posted by MichelleZB 

If you want your daughter to have a healthy sex life, the best thing you can do is leave her genitals alone.

Or recommend she get a hood piercing later, since that can often cause the nerve bundle in the clitoris (which the piercing passes under) to protrude further, thus allowing for greater access/stimulation.

Also, boys like playing with shiny things. 

[TyrantOfTheWeek]

Dear OP, learn how to use a vibrator.

[Storm Bride]

Originally Posted by TyrantOfTheWeek 

Dear OP, learn how to use a vibrator.

That's insulting and obnoxious. Inability to orgasm is really, really hard to deal with, and people coming out with flip comments like "learn to use a vibrator" really don't help, even a little bit. FWIW, I use one sometimes, mostly during sex with dh - but I can't get off with one. Just because it works for some people (maybe even most - I have no idea) doesn't mean it works for everyone.

[MichelleZB]

Yeah, but obviously, a hood piercing isn't necessary, so I wouldn't recommend any such thing. Most people's clitoral nerve endings protrude enough by themselves to illicit a healthy sexual response. People can decide for themselves if they want to get body art.

[tropicana]

there seems to be a lot of "debate" about circumcision on the MDC boards in general these days.

[cameragirl]

There have been a lot of threads made to drum up conflict recently. Some trolls, some not.

[brant31]

Originally Posted by Cynthia Mosher 

If you are here to advocate for circumcision then your membership will be closed.

An enormous relief to read that this is still the policy. Hopefully regarding healthy minors of both genders.

Originally Posted by MichelleZB 

I just wanted to clear up, for the edification of anyone reading this thread later, that female circumcision has never been associated with better female sexual response. Removing or cutting the clitoral hood (which is what I assume the kind of female circumcision the OP was talking about) will NOT increase sensation in the clitoris, and does not bring clitoral nerves closer to the surface of the clitoris like she seems to be claiming.

On the contrary, female circumcision has been associated with sexual dysfunction. If you want your daughter to have a healthy sex life, the best thing you can do is leave her genitals alone.

Not quite true. The US medical profession was actually rather sympathetic to the notion of female circumcision to address "frigidity" and other issues from the late 19th century right up through much of the 20th. From Kellogg advocating the application of phenol to girls' genitals to make them address their sexuality "properly" to Blue Cross paying for adult female circumcision up until 1977, the US has taken a wildly experimental attitude with genital modifications of both adults and children, constantly seeking "cures" for perceived and nonexistent problems. For many doctors and patients it was accepted wisdom that female problems could be addressed through targeted cutting, burning and infibulation. In fact, it's only recently that the notion has taken wide hold in the West that FGC is abhorrent and unconscionable.

We've made great inroads with regard to females (even if the discussion has swung into hyperbole among a few, who claim to read the minds of those who perpetrate FGM and sound like they have clairvoyant insight into the tools always used). Now a better consciousness needs to pervade modern attitudes toward MGC, a course in which the Mothering members, as usual, have taken the lead.

[aeterna]

Originally Posted by MichelleZB 

Yeah, but obviously, a hood piercing isn't necessary, so I wouldn't recommend any such thing. Most people's clitoral nerve endings protrude enough by themselves to illicit a healthy sexual response. People can decide for themselves if they want to get body art.

...the "deciding for themselves" part is sort of the point, eh?

[QueenOfTheMeadow]

I have removed numerous posts accusing the OP of being a troll.  Please do not continue to accuse people of being trolls.  If you are concerned that someone is a troll, report it, and don't respond. I've also removed some off topic conversations, which although amusing and informative have nothing to do with the subject at hand.  :lol

TyrantoftheWeek and Imakcerka-

Your posts have been removed.  They are personal attacks and do nothing to forward the discussion.

[~Adorkable~]

Originally Posted by aeterna 

Or recommend she get a hood piercing later, since that can often cause the nerve bundle in the clitoris (which the piercing passes under) to protrude further, thus allowing for greater access/stimulation.

Also, boys like playing with shiny things. 

(for what it is worth i was a professional piercer and a member of the Association of Professional Piercers for over a decade, so i know quite a lot about this particular thing)

a hood piercing does not pass under the clitoral shaft, it is just in the loose skin that covers the area. There are more involved and difficult to do and heal and have piercings that do, but that is not here nor there.

Just like in male circ, anything that exposes the nerve bundle to regular stimulation(removing skin or placing something near it to rub against it), will in time, callus and desensitize those nerves to some degree.

the mass majority of folks that get genital piercings find that any additional sensitivity they get at first goes away soon after. the remaining benefit is in their head and that is a great thing, one should always love and adore their genitals.

and yes lot of folks like playing with shiny things, there in lays the benefit and the feeling pretty aspect is priceless.

i include this in this thread because for one i like to dispell piercing myths, but more so because i found in my professional career as a piercer that i was lucky enough to meet, share and help hundreds of women gain sexual pleasure in their lives by simply learning to love their bodies and make educated choices about them. this was their right and pleasure to make these empowering choices as free thinking adults. 

No choices, that affect ones sexuality, should be made for one person by another. 

Not by parents, a pressuring lover or the society at large,

ever.

[QueenOfTheMeadow]

Originally Posted by ~Adorkable~ 

(for what it is worth i was a professional piercer and a member of the Association of Professional Piercers for over a decade, so i know quite a lot about this particular thing)

a hood piercing does not pass under the clitoral shaft, it is just in the loose skin that covers the area. There are more involved and difficult to do and heal and have piercings that do, but that is not here nor there.

Just like in male circ, anything that exposes the nerve bundle to regular stimulation(removing skin or placing something near it to rub against it), will in time, callus and desensitize those nerves to some degree.

the mass majority of folks that get genital piercings find that any additional sensitivity they get at first goes away soon after. the remaining benefit is in their head and that is a great thing, one should always love and adore their genitals.

and yes lot of folks like playing with shiny things, there in lays the benefit and the feeling pretty aspect is priceless.

i include this in this thread because for one i like to dispell piercing myths, but more so because i found in my professional career as a piercer that i was lucky enough to meet, share and help hundreds of women gain sexual pleasure in their lives by simply learning to love their bodies and make educated choices about them. this was their right and pleasure to make these empowering choices as free thinking adults. 

No choices, that affect ones sexuality, should be made for one person by another. 

Not by parents, a pressuring lover or the society at large,

ever.

So very true!  I loved hearing your point of view on this!

[aeterna]

@Adorkable - Thanks for clearing that up! It was something I'd carried around in my head for forever, long before I had the presence of mind to research the majority of "facts" I filed away. Am always glad for real info. And I do completely agree with you about the benefit being primarily in one's perception - I have thoroughly enjoyed both the use and knowledge of mine for a decade now, even if I was never one of those lucky ones reporting spontaneous physical stimulation. Still worth it.  

Originally Posted by ~Adorkable~ 

No choices, that affect ones sexuality, should be made for one person by another. 

Not by parents, a pressuring lover or the society at large,

ever.

Very well said. Thank you!