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post #21 of 48
You are asking me to do research at 4:47 AM, pre-coffee? You...witch!

heh.
post #22 of 48
Here you go:

KJV

Exodus 22:18
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live

http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible
post #23 of 48
Warning: here comes my offensive language speech.

Okay. When an oppressed group of people ask you not to use certain language because they find it offensive, you don't use that language. Period. I think the point is that people are finding this use of the word witch hurtful, and don't want to see people using it in this manner. What's wrong with being respectful of people's feelings?

When people use the word witch (or gay, or retarded, or crazy or whatever) in a derogatory manner, the implication is that the group of people who use that label is bad, regardless of the intent of the person using the word.

And, this is a slightly separate rant, but I think the word bitch is incredibly offensive, and shouldn't be used either. As a matter of fact, why do we need the feel to call names at all?


Okay. Putting away the soapbox. This is something I feel very strongly about, in case you hadn't noticed.

ETA: The "you" I'm using in this post is a general you, not directed to anyone in particular.
post #24 of 48
post #25 of 48
Can't we all just get along


Edited to fix my stupid blonde spelling error...










:LOL
post #26 of 48
get alone???


ok just teasin, I'm sure you meant get along right?

post #27 of 48
ok im having too many blonde moments :LOL
post #28 of 48
my dog is offended when people use the word "bitch" in a negative way - to describe certain humans or circumstances.
post #29 of 48
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by Spongie


And, this is a slightly separate rant, but I think the word bitch is incredibly offensive, and shouldn't be used either.
I think this is a really valid point. 'Bitch' has often been used to describe assertive women who stand up for themselves...not something that i would put a negative label onto.

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As a matter of fact, why do we need the feel to call names at all?
post #30 of 48
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I think this is a really valid point. 'Bitch' has often been used to describe assertive women who stand up for themselves...not something that i would put a negative label onto.
post #31 of 48
I'm speculating here, but I wonder if the usage for bitch didn't come from a mother dog's fierceness in defending her pups?

Not such a bad thing when you think about it. And then you think about the mentality of those who would make such ferocity out to be a bad thing... Are we not allowed to be anything but meek little doormats?

I don't think so!

However, I don't much care to be called a bitch, no matter the origin, because of the current implications of the word. I like it even less when witch is used as a substitute. I have my moments, But....

post #32 of 48
With all due respect for the concern about name calling in general... there is something useful about conciseness in communication. If I am telling my friend back in CA about a person I meet here I can go into a ten minute dissertation of this persons behavior, personality traits, etc... or I can use a one or two word description that covers it all and get on with my life and my conversation.
post #33 of 48
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With all due respect for the concern about name calling in general... there is something useful about conciseness in communication. If I am telling my friend back in CA about a person I meet here I can go into a ten minute dissertation of this persons behavior, personality traits, etc... or I can use a one or two word description that covers it all and get on with my life and my conversation.
Good point. That truly is probably why the terms have evolved into what they seem to mean. I have enjoyed the theoretical lines of the discussion, though. The term "witch" never bothered me but then I'm not part of that group so can't really defend its usage, either as I'm not an affected minority, for lack of a better term.
post #34 of 48
There is something concise about the word faggot and the N word but I still don't use them.
post #35 of 48
Slooooow down Arduinna.

I'm not defending the use of witch as an epithet and have, in fact, called the misuse as such to peoples attention on these boards. Making the leap to the other words... please. Really. I was addressing specifically the point that has arisen within this conversation about whether or not name calling is ever valid. Not defending the use of those particular names. I should think that was perfectly clear but apparently it was not.
post #36 of 48
T




THIS AGRESSION WILL NOT STAND, MAN
el duderino
post #37 of 48
aw, c'mon daryLLL, I can't stand the KJV. Its all funky in its translation.

And all my Bibles, Concordances and Lexicons are packed so....I'll have to wait a bit to discuss this with you. My brain is mush pie and I don't want to talk about this verse's context off the top of my head. But the context IS important, imho. Plus the Hebrew word, too. Yep, those books are packed TOO. Bummer.

But for purposes of this thread--it is well chosen.

carry on.....

Oh and btw, I appreciate the posts here and in this new forum about witches and paganism. I really have no idea about either. I am learning here.
post #38 of 48
The term bitch actually comes from the fact that in packs of dogs there are alpha females who maul other female dogs. In most packs there is one female who makes puppies and she kills many female dogs and pups to maintain her status. If she doesn't kill them she puts the fear of fang into them so they are completely submissive of her. My living girl dog is like this, but for whatever reason, was very protective of her sister, Cleo. Any female dog gets near my pack, she attacks, otherwise, she is gentle and loving.

The term "bitch" is applied to women because of this supposed trait that is common amongst women. We trample each other to get what we need, to establish our pecking order. We are "catty" and therefore "bitchy.'

The term bitch is highly offensive, it is a slur to demean women, and IMO, no different from "faggot" or "******" amongst other taboo slurs. The fact that it is still acceptable to say and is used by women against women is a symptom of the pervasive sexist attitude of our society.

The term "witch" used in place of bitch is almost twice as offensive, it is a slur against women, witches, and the history of midwives, independent women, self educated women, lesbians, single women and all others labeled "witches" for persecution. It runs very deep and shows just how ignorant we all can be.

Can ya tell I feel strongly about this one? :LOL

eta: On that "catty" note, the term "catty" and the fighting cat noise and claw gesture are also very demeaning and innappropriate. I am still breaking DP of this one and it beyond drives me crazy.
post #39 of 48
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The term "bitch" is applied to women because of this supposed trait that is common amongst women. We trample each other to get what we need, to establish our pecking order. We are "catty" and therefore "bitchy.'

The term bitch is highly offensive, it is a slur to demean women, and IMO, no different from "faggot" or "******" amongst other taboo slurs. The fact that it is still acceptable to say and is used by women against women is a symptom of the pervasive sexist attitude of our society.
WOW! I never knew all of that. Thanks for posting it. I knew it bothered me but now have a greater understanding.

also to the other two you added. Very enlightening!
post #40 of 48
Frankly, I don't mind being compared to a cat. Or a dog. in fact I welcome it. Bring it on.

I am a creature of instinct.

If you would also like to compare me to a whale or an elephant, that is cool too.

Or--a dragonfly! (Not to leave out our non-mammalian sisters.)
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