Alone at Christmas... non-vaxing and a "menace" - Page 3

[Katie8681]

Sorry, I meant not fully vaccinated. One more DTaP.

While the pertussis vaccine effectiveness varies, if a vaccinated person does contract the disease, it is generally not as severe as it is for an unvaccinated person.

babygirlie, can you explain to me how a vaccine that uses killed, *acellular* virus, could shed the disease?

[purslaine]

nm - argumentative.

Katie8681 - Welcome to MDC!

[Katie8681]

Thanks, kathymuggle! I've actually lurked for years and only got an account when I was pregnant with my son.

[sosurreal09]

Stupid vaccines don't work anyway DD has had rotovirus 4 TIMES!!!!! She was fully vaxed for it before we stopped vaxing...but that's just *my* experience so of course it's moot. Still getting over all her dang reactions though...worst thing I ever did to her was vax her.

[OceanGypsy87]

Umm, if his kids are vaccinated they can't catch anything from your kids. Damn it people are stupid!

[babygirlie]

In theory.. but theory doesn't normally hold true with people peddling vaccines. You can still get it. They say ONLY if the disease lands you in the ER does it actually help you.. aka it helps but only in the most severe cases.. yeah right!

[emmy526]

Originally Posted by Katie8681 

Sorry, I meant not fully vaccinated. One more DTaP.

While the pertussis vaccine effectiveness varies, if a vaccinated person does contract the disease, it is generally not as severe as it is for an unvaccinated person.

babygirlie, can you explain to me how a vaccine that uses killed, *acellular* virus, could shed the disease?

here is a link for you to read about DTaP..it lists the ingredients and everything else about the vaccine..altho there are a few brands, which one did your LO get?  this one is pediarix

..http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_pediarix.pdf

and i have heard/read about vaxed children getting a much worse case of pertussis than the nonvaxed children. I will find the link and post it. 

[sosurreal09]

I know I had read pertussis vax was just as effective with 2 shots somewhere for whatever that is worth.

[AMum]

OP, so sorry you are going through this, my IL's hate that we don't vax, but they haven't taken it that far.  :(

As far as perussis goes, we've btdt and thanks to posters here my youngest survived.  She was one month old at the time.  Our doctor (homeopathic md) was an idiot, and frankly we could've done better too.  What saved her (and helped my dh, ds& dd, who all had it too) though, was mega doses of vitamin C.  They all took vitamin C to bowel tolerance for months.  I took it & nursed my baby dd. I wouldn't wish that harrowing experience on anyone, but if I had known sooner about the vitamin C, it would never have been as scary as it was.

[BeckyBird]

Amum, thank you for the encouraging story! I'm so glad everyone was alright, especially your baby. It's important to remember that she would not have been fully vaccinated for pertussis at that age anyway. So, you parents who do vaccinate should learn how to treat the diseases just in case. Any parent of an infant, vaccinated or not, should learn about vitamin C (SA) for treatment.

[Lookingup]

I suggested to my brother to get a titre (his daughter has already had two doses of DTaP) but that did not go over well.  My older son had two doses of DTaP.  I guess I could get him and James titred, but it's very hard to draw blood from James.  And I don't want to put them through that when my brother has been such a &(@*&#.  He'd just start complaining about some other disease he thinks they're going to give Maddy.

My dad emailed all three of of his children yesterday, saying he was depressed about the holidays approaching and having this nastiness going on.  He asked us to please work it out, that all he wanted was a photo of his three grandchildren together.  :(  I felt sorry for his depression and told him so, but I also don't see what I can do about it. 

Originally Posted by sosurreal09 

I know I had read pertussis vax was just as effective with 2 shots somewhere for whatever that is worth.

[sosurreal09]

There is nothing you can do about it! Your brother is the issue here for sure.

Are they going to put the baby in a bubble? I can just envision all the old ladies hovering over their DD while shopping or something. The elderly are the sickest in general!

[purslaine]

Originally Posted by sosurreal09 

There is nothing you can do about it! Your brother is the issue here for sure.

 The elderly are the sickest in general!

Here are some stats on adult vaccine rates (and we know many diseases (not all) need boosters:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/stats-surv/nhis/2009-nhis.htm

The vax rates among adults is not so good.

Do they take the baby out shopping or to restaurants and the like?  Because, you know, half the adults in the restaurant are probably not up on their boosters.

[emmy526]

You can photoshop a pic of all 3 kids together for your father...and there is nothing to work out as your brother is demanding everything his way or the highway. You should tell your father if your brother weren't so closed minded, things could be worked out but since he chooses to wear blinders, theres nothing anyone can do. 

[Lookingup]

Ok, the photo shop comment made me smile.  Also, I had this evil image of a photo with my two children looming over the baby, cartoon germs flowing out of their mouths. 

Yeah, you know all the common sense that you gals are typing... I wish I had the chance to just SAY some of it to him.  Show him those adult vax rates.  Just point him toward some info.  But the screaming ensues from him as soon as I open my mouth.  Even over email!  Really, facts mean nothing at this point.  It feels like a witch hunt. 

Do I feel badly for my dad?  I do.  He means well.  But they've all entitled Chris for too long.  Heck, so have I, by letting him bully me.  Change is hard.  But I'm not backing down. 

Thanks to you all again.  It helps a lot. 

[Katie8681]

" It's important to remember that she would not have been fully vaccinated for pertussis at that age anyway"

Yeah, but her siblings would have. 

"Do they take the baby out shopping or to restaurants and the like?  Because, you know, half the adults in the restaurant are probably not up on their boosters."

It'snot uncommon, or crazy, to try to avoid big crowds of people when you have a young baby for just this reason. Plus those shopping/restauranting people prob won't be right in LO's face the way family would be. Sorry, but I think your family has a point.

"Damn it people are stupid!" 

[Lookingup]

Sorry, but I think your family has a point.

Ok. How so?  I think you should back up that opinion by some science.  What diseases do you think my kids will pass on?  And it's a given that if my children are experiencing any symptoms, they are kept away from other kids.  (I'd do that if they were vaccinated or not.)
 

[emmy526]

Originally Posted by Katie8681 

" It's important to remember that she would not have been fully vaccinated for pertussis at that age anyway"

Yeah, but her siblings would have. 

"Do they take the baby out shopping or to restaurants and the like?  Because, you know, half the adults in the restaurant are probably not up on their boosters."

It'snot uncommon, or crazy, to try to avoid big crowds of people when you have a young baby for just this reason. Plus those shopping/restauranting people prob won't be right in LO's face the way family would be. Sorry, but I think your family has a point.

"Damn it people are stupid!" 

you do realize that coughing and sneezing can travel up to 60ft, right? so it wouldn't matter whether or not someone in public is rite in the baby's face..germs travel via air droplets in coughing and sneezing.  And yes, i have seen old ladies go up to and coo at a baby within 3feet of the child... Her family has a point about what?  About how uneducated and closed-minded they are and refuse to even acknowledge  that vaccines can harm some children and the OP is doing what she thinks is right as the mother?    The only point that family seems to be making is that they are extremely ignorant and like to stay that way.  Oh, and the favoring of adult siblings continues into adulthood, with everyone wanting the OP to coddle the brother and give in to him...( and i know all about it--it happens in my  own family to me)

[Mulvah]

Originally Posted by Adaline'sMama 


Is your DH's job based where your are living, or could you move closer to inlaws?
I'm really sorry that your mother is allowing your brother to manipulate the entire family. What he is doing is wrong. Honestly, Id be tempted to just lie in this case. He isnt going to budge, you love your family, they arent abusive towards you or your children, and the ONLY thing that is keeping you seperated is an a**hole who is controlling your life because he thinks he knows it all. Id be tempted to tell him that you have reconsidered your stance and that you have decided that family is more important than your stance on vaccinations. I dont typically advocate lying, but in this situation your brother is being ridiculous and your entire family is just going along blindly with what he says is "safe" for his kids.

I'm a selective vax mom, but I saw this in "new posts" and I agree with the above, especially the bolded.

[BeckyBird]

Originally Posted by emmy526 

 About how uneducated and closed-minded they are and refuse to even acknowledge  that vaccines can harm some children and the OP is doing what she thinks is right as the mother?    The only point that family seems to be making is that they are extremely ignorant and like to stay that way. 

So true!

While out, germs are everywhere!!!! In the air, on door knobs, on the hands of waiters/waitresses, food prep workers, etc. You can't avoid germs, and I guarantee that most of these adults are not up to date with their boosters. So in reality, these illnesses are floating all around you, wherever you go. And the poor little unvaccinated children take all the blame. How sad!